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Wood and cubensis
    #28376630 - 06/27/23 02:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

So I have 2 cats, and I give them a litter that is made out of pine. it's practically just pine sawdust compressed into little pellets. one pellet is about the size of a large orally taken pill, but from what I can tell absorbs a similar amount of water, and if you grind it up the smallest bit it becomes very very fluffy.

my question is has anybody tried using something similar for cubensis? I was thinking something similar to a PF tek but with the vermiculite substituted out. possibly some ground up pellet in a bulk substrate? I know that cubensis like Hpoo and cococoir but my logic is that the sawdust/pellets are very similar to coco just quite a bit denser so maybe they would slow down colonization but prolong the amount of flushes?

has anybody tried this before? and if not does it sound something worth testing?

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28376684 - 06/27/23 03:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Just about anything can be used, though it's likely that that litter is more expensive than something like bulk oats, or even bird seed.
People have grown on tampons and cigarette butts lol. And welcome by the way. Cats are essential to some grows.


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: johnukguy]
    #28376707 - 06/27/23 03:49 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

interesting.

yeah that would make sense, I'm sure there's something better, although the litter is very cheap and fairly easy to get. any pet store has it and it's maybe 20$ for a 40 pound bag.

I actually am planning on trying a whole bunch of things once I have the basics down, such is the chemistry of my brain. Like if whole grain wheat works maybe slightly undercooked pasta will too? or if that doesn't work I have brown rice and millet noodles that might? once I get my agar down expect a bunch of weird and wacky experiments

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy] * 2
    #28376710 - 06/27/23 03:53 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

While not exactly the same thing I have used kitty litter that is made from crushed walnut shells, I've also used straw pellets meant for rabbit bedding. Both work great.

Really anything that holds water will do as a sub. I've actually been meaning to do hardwood fuel pellets with cubensis but keep forgetting. I have used loofas, books, pine cones both whole and crushed, a dish rag, tampons, cigarette butts and the aforementioned litter.


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: SirPsycho] * 1
    #28376719 - 06/27/23 04:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Ramen noodles make ok spawn :lol:

My potato attempts all contamed out but I'm gonna try again soon


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28376777 - 06/27/23 04:54 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

please post about it when you do id be super interested to see how it goes!! but yeah idk if the logic tracks as well for you as it does for me, but it makes sense (to me) that if whole grain works so would pasta made out of said grain.

take everything I say with a grain of salt though I might be totally wrong

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy] * 1
    #28376792 - 06/27/23 05:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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please post about it when you do id be super interested to see how it goes!! but yeah idk if the logic tracks as well for you as it does for me, but it makes sense (to me) that if whole grain works so would pasta made out of said grain.

take everything I say with a grain of salt though I might be totally wrong



If ramen noodles worked, I'm sure pasta will too. Only reason the potatoes contamed is cause I got fancy with LC.


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28376827 - 06/27/23 05:43 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

who knows if the ramen will, I haven't tried yet, I'm just unsatisfied with PF tek but also don't have much room to get anything else (meaning a PC).

I somehow doubt someone with as little experience as I have will be able to create anything worthwhile but who knows maybe brown rice (and millet) ramen noodles will work

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy] * 1
    #28376862 - 06/27/23 06:04 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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who knows if the ramen will, I haven't tried yet,



Yes, but I have and got fruit from it. :wink:


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28376865 - 06/27/23 06:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

oh oh yes I see somehow I missed that :rolleyes: what kind of noodle did you use though, and do you think it's possible to simply boil them, put them in a jar immediately, and then steam them? or do you think you'd NEED a PC

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy] * 1
    #28376869 - 06/27/23 06:08 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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oh oh yes I see somehow I missed that :rolleyes: what kind of noodle did you use though, and do you think it's possible to simply boil them, put them in a jar immediately, and then steam them? or do you think you'd NEED a PC



https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/zrioj2/i_grew_cubes_on_ramen_noodles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

I pressure cooked them.


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28376874 - 06/27/23 06:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

wow that looked like it worked super well, I wonder why nobody else is trying it, it seems even easier than the BB tek

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28376890 - 06/27/23 06:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

It's really the same as any spawn to bulk tek for all intents and purposes.

Grain and flour is a lot cheaper than pre-packed food.


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28376920 - 06/27/23 06:44 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

right other than you could get it to work without a pressure cooker(maybe?), which would give beginners (me) an easy way to learn spawn to bulk as PF tek isn't that great for that (or so I've heard)

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28377311 - 06/28/23 04:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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right other than you could get it to work without a pressure cooker(maybe?), which would give beginners (me) an easy way to learn spawn to bulk as PF tek isn't that great for that (or so I've heard)



Probably not


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28377824 - 06/28/23 01:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

pretty much figured. that's okay ill still try it when I get a PC

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy] * 1
    #28378421 - 06/28/23 11:03 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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right other than you could get it to work without a pressure cooker(maybe?), which would give beginners (me) an easy way to learn spawn to bulk as PF tek isn't that great for that (or so I've heard)



so you havent tried pf tek but think its not that great for beginners, yet its the only tek pushed to beginners for like 30yrs now. hmmm, maybe give it a try before you knock it.


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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: dna24]
    #28379680 - 06/30/23 01:09 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

oh no not what I meant, I'm currently doing PF tek, I've just heard that PF tek is a little unreliable when it comes to spawning to bulk as opposed to using a SGFC. not to mention inconvenient using 1/2 pint jars

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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: mystictherapy]
    #28380352 - 06/30/23 04:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

havent several people become banned, martyrs or outcasts by chasing the mad dream of the paper, wood, cardboard type of cube nutrition theory?

i never visited this outside trying 2-3 pure sawdust jars spawned to coir, and it failed miserably.

if there were fruits they were mini
or singular

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Now, usually the situation outlined above, comes from people being unable to

a) source coir
b) source coir-verm (autism demanding completeness or nothing)


If you have coir, you can add any carbohydrate you can consume to it, and the cubes will use it as nutrition. Think: any grain flour, corn, rice, maybe not potatoe

Fats, protein, are generally to be avoided, they should not make up the large part of the water carrying bulk sub or nutrition for cubes.

Pure ground up bran, 15-20% to rest straight coir, would work. Inoculate with whatever. However the substrate itself will need to be pasteurized or sterilized.

Starch water from boiling grains saturating sawdust would work, but be shitty material for a whole sub to be composed of, but a competent grower could pull it off with almost no preparation or reading.

But i dont know of anything coming close to the properties of uncontaminated coir, when it comes to casing, supplying water, and generally being close to 0 nutrition for most fungi and competitors - when composed of pure coir and nothing else

If you cannot source coir or succeed by yourself in for example, adding a proper amount of nutrition to a soil based substrate, hydrating and sterilizing it, successfully inoculating and colonization, followed by spawn and fruits,
which is harder than grains to coir but still the same principles,

or any of the 1000 other variants,

then soak paper in starch water, mix it with relevant manure, and call it a thesis




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Re: Wood and cubensis [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #28380373 - 06/30/23 04:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

ohhh interesting thank you!! I'm assuming youre talking about spawning PF tek to bulk here, right? would you recommend putting an actual grain/ground grain (ground quinoa, brown rice flour, etc.) in the substrate over pure coco coir? if so what percent dry weight would you recommend?

I was planning on using a 95% coco, 5% gypsum substrate hydrated with diluted water in a 3:1 ratio. this would be colonized with PF tek.

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