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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Pandaskis]
#28376788 - 06/27/23 05:04 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Pandaskis said: I guess the question is whether the FAE is there to only lower the concentration of CO2, or if its there to evaporate moisture off the mycelium, or if its a combination of both.
Im too noob to actually answer the questions, but im curious enough to ask them :P
But your sigline photos show that you're doing it right.
That's another reason I think it's a silly statement. It has very little to do with growing good shrooms, if you follow current teks.
I'm not saying "No one should question how this works" but I've never seen anyone say it in a way that added useful info to a discussion that wasn't there before they said it. It's usually more like saying "well, that's how it goes."
And it looks like it stemmed out of an excuse for fanning shrooms twice daily during the Bush administration. Someone said it, someone parroted it, and people kept parroting it.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: nektar61] 1
#28376802 - 06/27/23 05:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] 3
#28376813 - 06/27/23 05:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#28376815 - 06/27/23 05:33 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said: can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
 He knows and will tell you that's why you have to fan, to increase evaporation to increase pins, because you need as many pins as possible. Quantity over quality.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: nektar61]
#28376821 - 06/27/23 05:39 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Fanning can be used to periodically replace stale air in a tub, lowering co2 levels. Which can be quantifiedโฆ
It does seem pointless to fan if your intended purpose is to cause evaporationโฆ
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] 3
#28376823 - 06/27/23 05:41 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
I thought it was bacteria
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
Wait are we playing that game again?
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376825 - 06/27/23 05:43 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said: the real secret is surface conditions.
Kidding aside, my grows got better when I started adding a quarter inch of fine verm on the top, and misting it a little when I make up a shoebox.
Also, double liners help, but they don't have to block light, unlike what people said here a long time ago.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: milkboy] 1
#28376832 - 06/27/23 05:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Chamo said: Fanning can be used to periodically replace stale air in a tub
Explain GE in filtered spawn containers then? Isn't the whole point the exchange of gasses... CO2 and O2? Quote:
milkboy said:
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
I thought it was bacteria
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
Wait are we playing that game again?</font>
Yes, cause the problem is no one is talking about the same thing.
The statement we're discussing is pretty much meaningless.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] 3
#28376843 - 06/27/23 05:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
*cough*
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aPurpleCray0n said: I thought most people care more about surface conditions vs the rh in their tub these days?
Out of curiosity.. can someone define and quantify surface conditions? Not just what we physically see โtiny droplets on the surfaceโ but what โconditionโ is it that were actually creating thatโs beneficial to pinning
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376845 - 06/27/23 05:52 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said:
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Chamo said: Fanning can be used to periodically replace stale air in a tub
Explain GE in filtered spawn containers then? Isn't the whole point the exchange of gasses... CO2 and O2? Quote:
We are talking about during colonization?
Obviously the co2 levels are going to be far greater in a closed, colonizing spawn container, even with sufficient GE. The point is that the concentrations of co2 changing stimulate different growth. So going from a higher concentration of co2 while colonizing and lowering it drastically with FAE, theoretically stimulates fruiting.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 1
#28376855 - 06/27/23 05:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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What about when you S2B? Spawn is all broken up and spread out and it has to recolonize everything + several times the original amount all over again. Then goes in to fruiting, all with the same level of GE/co2
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: aPurpleCray0n] 2
#28376857 - 06/27/23 05:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Chamo said:
Obviously the co2 levels are going to be far greater in a closed, colonizing spawn container, even with sufficient GE. The point is that the concentrations of co2 changing stimulate different growth. So going from a higher concentration of co2 while colonizing and lowering it drastically with FAE, theoretically stimulates fruiting.
But even in those containers there's exchange of gasses through some mechanism right? You really think a tub lid is anywhere near as effective?
How long you think before you'd suffocate in a tub? Lid latched?
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
*cough*
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aPurpleCray0n said: I thought most people care more about surface conditions vs the rh in their tub these days?
Out of curiosity.. can someone define and quantify surface conditions? Not just what we physically see โtiny droplets on the surfaceโ but what โconditionโ is it that were actually creating thatโs beneficial to pinning
Surface conditions is a descriptor not a measurement. So it can't be quantified and the definition of good surface conditions is the droplets.
What the mechanisms at play are? Can't say
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#28376864 - 06/27/23 06:05 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376871 - 06/27/23 06:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said:
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Obviously the co2 levels are going to be far greater in a closed, colonizing spawn container, even with sufficient GE. The point is that the concentrations of co2 changing stimulate different growth. So going from a higher concentration of co2 while colonizing and lowering it drastically with FAE, theoretically stimulates fruiting.
But even in those containers there's exchange of gasses through some mechanism right? You really think a tub lid is anywhere near as effective?
How long you think before you'd suffocate in a tub? Lid latched?
Iโm not sure I understand what you are getting at. I am not denying that those exchange of gases exist.
What I am saying is the different concentrations stimulate different growth. During colonization the co2 concentrations are higher, and during fruiting the co2 conditions are lower
The exchange of gases is always happening (hopefully). What I am saying is that it is the differing of these concentrations, lowering of co2 and increasing of oxygen that can stimulate the mycelium to go from vegetative growth to fruiting growth.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 1
#28376873 - 06/27/23 06:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Chamo said:
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SirPsycho said:
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Chamo said:
Obviously the co2 levels are going to be far greater in a closed, colonizing spawn container, even with sufficient GE. The point is that the concentrations of co2 changing stimulate different growth. So going from a higher concentration of co2 while colonizing and lowering it drastically with FAE, theoretically stimulates fruiting.
But even in those containers there's exchange of gasses through some mechanism right? You really think a tub lid is anywhere near as effective?
How long you think before you'd suffocate in a tub? Lid latched?
Iโm not sure I understand what you are getting at. I am not denying that those exchange of gases exist.
What I am saying is the different concentrations stimulate different growth. During colonization the co2 concentrations are higher, and during fruiting the co2 conditions are lower
The exchange of gases is always happening (hopefully). What I am saying is that it is the differing of these concentrations, lowering of co2 and increasing of oxygen that can stimulate the mycelium to go from vegetative growth to fruiting growth.
What I'm getting at is that there's plenty of exchange happening without us needing to fan.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376877 - 06/27/23 06:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
this is what ive been waiting for, but i think has been answered a on page 2
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: dna24] 1
#28376882 - 06/27/23 06:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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dna24 said:
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SirPsycho said: I'm gonna let you guys in on a secret. Now, y'all can't tell anyone but the real secret is surface conditions.
Also, can someone define and quantify evaporation please?
this is what ive been waiting for, but i think has been answered a on page 2
I see realitive humidity defined but not evaporation
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376884 - 06/27/23 06:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I am not advocating that people fan. I am stating that my understanding of the subject is that FAE stimulates fruiting conditions by decreasing the concentrations of carbon dioxide. Fanning is not going to hurt. Will it help? I donโt know and I canโt speak for it.
I was only saying this in relation to evaporation. I never even knew people considered it a โpinning triggerโ. If I fan it is casually and just to move some air around. Itโs not going to hurt anything.
Iโm agreeing with you that it is not necessary Under ideal circumstances. But to suggest it will hurt something is what I disagree with. Maybe if you are fanning aggressively and for long periods of time it will cause a disruptionโฆbut as I said. Simply opening the lid and waving air around in the tub wonโt hurt anything.
Otherwise I was inclined to agree with most that was said here. I donโt see evaporation as a pinning trigger. I understood it to be changing co2 concentrations.
And on a side note, technically evaporation rates could be quantified if you are weighing the changes. Not that I think it would do any good
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: Chamo] 2
#28376885 - 06/27/23 06:25 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Chamo said: I am not advocating that people fan. I am stating that my understanding of the subject is that FAE stimulates fruiting conditions by decreasing the concentrations of carbon dioxide. Fanning is not going to hurt. Will it help? I donโt know and I canโt speak for it.
I was only saying this in relation to evaporation. I never even knew people considered it a โpinning triggerโ. If I fan it is casually and just to move some air around. Itโs not going to hurt anything.
Iโm agreeing with you that it is not necessary Under ideal circumstances. But to suggest it will hurt something is what I disagree with. Maybe if you are fanning aggressively and for long periods of time it will cause a disruptionโฆbut as I said. Simply opening the lid and waving air around in the tub wonโt hurt anything.
Otherwise I was inclined to agree with most that was said here. I donโt see evaporation as a pinning trigger. I understood it to be changing co2 concentrations.
And on a side note, technically evaporation rates could be quantified if you are weighing the changes. Not that I think it would do any good
I'm not disagreeing with you about CO2 concentration and pinning and I'm not saying fanning is harmful.
I'm saying fanning is useless.
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Re: Is "evaporation triggers pinning" bullshit? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28376888 - 06/27/23 06:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe. Maybe not
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