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solarshroomster
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I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough
#28375932 - 06/26/23 10:17 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
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I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough

Distance is of (no distance) Time is of (no time).
Your puzzle to peace together.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: solarshroomster]
#28375940 - 06/26/23 10:36 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
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(Why as an extensionary medium. Into another dimension.)
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
Edited by solarshroomster (06/26/23 10:36 PM)
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: solarshroomster]
#28376146 - 06/27/23 06:25 AM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
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If intelligence is produced thru experience we could use this as a benchmark to see how much you grow.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28376206 - 06/27/23 07:46 AM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
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Haha, that’s funny. In my defense, it’s hard to be intelligent about what you keep forgetting. I forgot it yet again
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: solarshroomster]
#28376263 - 06/27/23 08:54 AM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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An argument in your favor is that neural plasticity can reverse brain damage accrued in the school of hard knocks.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: Buster_Brown]
#28376271 - 06/27/23 09:01 AM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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'puzzle peace together' is just my kind of spoken wording too!
Other than that, I have no idea what you trying to say.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: WhoManBeing] 1
#28376341 - 06/27/23 09:58 AM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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its serious how many aspiritual people use psychedelics,
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: WhoManBeing]
#28376375 - 06/27/23 10:28 AM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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WhoManBeing said: 'puzzle peace together' is just my kind of spoken wording too!
Other than that, I have no idea what you trying to say.
That's the whole point with this spiritual amnesia thing I keep going on about. Take, for instance, the below salvia trip report from Erowid;
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My childhood time, and echoing through all of time, all of the universe that I was in was a single word. This word had more meaning than anything else in reality. It was the answer to everything. It was so clear, as if it was being yelled into my brain. The word was 'Trameldacom'. Pronounced: Tru (TRUck) Mel (MELvin) Da (DUck) Com (COMbat). I don't know why it was that word (it isn't a word as far as I know), which I had never heard in my entire life, but that word was everything during those moments. The other sensation I had about the word was that it was something that I had forgotten and that only by being transported back to my childhood could I remember it.
Eventually I turned myself around and saw my friends in the room (I had been lying down on my side facing the white wall). I also noticed that I had drooled quite significantly. I saw everyone fairly clearly, but it was as if they were far away. But not in terms of physical distance, but in terms of time. https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=76219
On the surface, it appears absurd: "Trameldacom". We all know that word means nothing, right? Or, on second thought, does it truly mean nothing? Clearly, it held for the above psychonaut a very serious meaning at the time: "that word was everything". And, I can absolutely relate to this invention of "made up" words that convey some sort of meaning unknown in this dimension. For me, it's the word "Shmerkerfert". I'm not aware of anyone using this word here, but yet the word conveys meaning to me... as if it was a word long ago forgotten from a past life???? I suspect that when people speak in tongues, a similar phenomenon is taking place.
What are we then to make out of this?
I think we would be naive to write off the musings of people in visionary states just because they don't make sense "here". And this is precisely the point I have been aiming to get at with my posts about spiritual amnesia: Reality may be playing a sort of game on us, through us. WE have the patterns, we have all the evidence that miraculously presents itself at the moment of revelation, but then, upon return, we seem to have nothing but delusions.
Someone I was in correspondence with on here in Shroomery wrote me an excellent PM about how psychedelic experiences are like saving folder documents onto a computer called "answer to the universe", "what happens after death". You have the sensation that something awaits inside those documents, you are so sure of it. But then when you click on it, it says "file does not exist"?
Why does Reality play such games with us?
I would argue, as have other writers on the UFO phenomenon, that spiritual reality is set up to cyclically confuse us at times, leading us to patterns too eerie to ignore, but too absurd to just accept on the surface.
I'm not sure about any of this, still learning, but I think it provides food for thought. Its like the mystical truths reveal themselves allegorically to our selves, eluding us on the surface level reading but conveying itself through a double, secondary read that extends over and above. It's through the words "unsaid" where the message comes across.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: solarshroomster]
#28376441 - 06/27/23 11:20 AM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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I think in a sense it is simply suffering. When we don't feel good we think we don't have it.
Second Noble Truth - no feel good due to desire.
Why did we come to desire? That unknowable, but like waking from a dream it is no longer relevant, or did not occur, never was.
Lack is that gap where there is none, the gap that does not exist, like the three non-existent princes.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: syncro]
#28376806 - 06/27/23 05:24 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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syncro said:
Why did we come to desire? That unknowable.
the womb starts contracting we desire to get out we are out we desiore to breathe we desire to eat and drink we desire to defecate and think we desire to sleep and desire to piss And you ask what the origin of desire is?
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: Asante] 1
#28377005 - 06/27/23 07:45 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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In the more absolute or spiritual sense, how the whole started desiring, and the monads finding need to rise up through the elements, bound in them.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: syncro] 1
#28377072 - 06/27/23 08:23 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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The desire to fill holes that can never be filled
:Cue innuendos:
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: solarshroomster] 3
#28377180 - 06/27/23 10:55 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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Asante said: its serious how many aspiritual people use psychedelics,
I am such a person, and I still find psychedelics truly spectacular (LSD and Mushrooms anyway) even without any spiritual content. I don't mean to be negative or put anyone down here, just wanted to say that psychedelics are incredible whether you're a believer or an atheist.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: nooneman]
#28378588 - 06/29/23 04:59 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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Well sorry if i came across as rude in that.
I'm having a really bad time with how people are treating my visionary experiences here on the shroomery, and i have pretty privilege because i;m an admin.
its ok if people are skeptical, but almost all reactions i get ammount to i'm the mumbling homeless schizo addict behind the walmart.
I'm not after spiritual recognition but, dammit, not shitting on a guy in the throes of an epic bad trip?
I guess i should stop posting spiritual matters outside of the spirituality forum.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: solarshroomster] 2
#28380060 - 06/30/23 11:11 AM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Do you think it is possible to take visionary experiences too seriously?
Like, is it a bounded relationship? Is there an appropriate amount of seriousness to be calibrated, or is it a MAXIMUM SERIOUSNESS sort of striving you're encouraging?
Maybe 'serious' is the wrong word. In any case, I appreciate the imperative to not be dismissive of experience.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: DisoRDeR] 1
#28384589 - 07/04/23 09:15 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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Assuming in context the visionary implies the path, the seriousness of it would relate perhaps proportionally to suffering, ignorance. Interesting question. The better we can float, the less serious it seems to be, and fraught with such pitfalls. Losing vigilance can lead to a fall. We walk a razor's edge though all of it is it.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: syncro] 2
#28384603 - 07/04/23 09:38 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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I just had another visionary experience last night. Suffice to say, I'm a convert. I have moved from doubtful naivety / ignorance to knowledge at this point.
Anyhow, DisoRDeR, you pose a great question. "Serious" may be the wrong word, but as it to your question... is it possible to take visionary experiences too seriously?
I don't know. They can be full of misleading cues as well, but some of it does strike me as perception of a truth.
In terms of how we should handle it... Obviously, I'm not a preacher or a "way of living" expert, but I tend to think there's a mixture here to be had. If we take it too seriously, we can start to retreat from living our life in the ordinary state of consciousness. Being in this world and enjoying the fruits of this world is so important, that if all we care about is religious ecstasy, we lose sight on what we have "here" to enjoy. So, yes, I think we shouldn't take mystical experience too seriously that it prevents us from enjoying life here and now. We should also be humble that our visions are visions, new models and ways of looking at things. The truths we seek aren't necessarily truths, but, rather, new models, new ways of looking at things. Some of it may be right, others may be misleading... but all of it, in visionary experience, is ineffable.
All great songs take you there, all great poetry tries to express. All artwork tries to convey it. It's on the tip of our tongue, yet always retreats into the background when we take it all too literally.
One thing's clear to me though: we should do more to love one another and help one another out. We're in this together.
-------------------- Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: solarshroomster]
#28385639 - 07/05/23 05:57 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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solarshroomster said:
All great songs take you there, all great poetry tries to express. All artwork tries to convey it. It's on the tip of our tongue, yet always retreats into the background when we take it all too literally.
One thing's clear to me though: we should do more to love one another and help one another out. We're in this together.
 These unitive ideas seem a lot clearer in action, than they are as info just floating about in your head.
Seems understanding can be greatly increased by using our own personal circumstances as a vehicle for enacting the concepts, giving them life.
Integrating theory with practise, like in music.
Living Dharmically.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: Asante]
#28385778 - 07/05/23 09:32 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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Asante said: I guess i should stop posting spiritual matters outside of the spirituality forum.
There is a high level of open mindedness in this forum.
“Do not cast your pearls before swine.” - Matthew 7:6
It's quite rare that I quote from Christianity, but I just had to.
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Re: I just don't THINK people are taking visionary experiences seriously enough [Re: AnattaAtman]
#28385793 - 07/05/23 09:52 AM (6 months, 20 days ago) |
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AnattaAtman said: There is a high level of open mindedness in this forum.
I guess it's because for those spiritually inclined, psychedelics tend to break open the head. That is also the title of a good book from somewhere. Any readers of Daniel Pinchbeck out there?
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