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Beneficial bacteria relationships with mycelium
    #28374537 - 06/25/23 08:06 PM (6 months, 30 days ago)

https://sciendo.com/pdf/10.2478/prolas-2022-0032

Not sure how reliable this source is but seems very worthwhile to discuss the potential of utilizing isolated beneficial bacteria in mycology. I have a general idea of the relationship of certain bacterias and mycorrhizae as well as "Plant growth-promoting rhizobacteria".
Curious if anyone has used different bacteria in agar plates or in substrates alongside their fungi?


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Re: Beneficial bacteria relationships with mycelium [Re: Glomus] * 1
    #28382145 - 07/02/23 06:57 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

99% of the time someone asks about this they're not top level growers. Not to naysay i appreciate the curiosity but you need to be so good at growing you know your yields to the T. Then and only then can you even start to measure any differences. These ideas only ever get traction from new growers because of their excitement. Among the growers that have gotten good and get reliable results they see this as extremely diminishing returns. Costs more and takes more time than any net positive results. Its not the magic bullet to make your grows suddenly great. Make great grows then worry if this can make your great grows 1% better.


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Re: Beneficial bacteria relationships with mycelium [Re: Glomus] * 2
    #28383863 - 07/03/23 03:29 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

Bacteria is probably more likely to compete with your target fungus than to help it.


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Re: Beneficial bacteria relationships with mycelium [Re: bodhisatta]
    #28491305 - 10/03/23 06:18 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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99% of the time someone asks about this they're not top level growers. Not to naysay i appreciate the curiosity but you need to be so good at growing you know your yields to the T. Then and only then can you even start to measure any differences.




Referring to a similar inquiry, Rocky Fungus said:
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What are you trying to do with bacteria? It just says to me you can't be sterile.
Bacteria will be introduced when you spawn to any environment.




Is it just me, or does every time someone bring up the topic of bacterial relationships with fungi people gaslight and actively work to discredit anyone that tries to have a discussion around this topic?

Same thing with the topic of adding precursors to the substrate to increase psilocybin production and or make novel psychedelics. It’s almost like any talk of adding things evidence shows would produce better results is a taboo topic. Gee I wonder why…🤔

A simple google search reveals is definitely a thing and worthy of further investigation:

“Synergistic interactions between mycorrhizal fungi and bacteria help provide necessary nutrients for plant growth, such as phosphorus, which are mobilized by …”

Anyone that grows pot knows this is a thing and uses it in practice…

When asked about bacillus subtillus PsiloPsychIn swears:

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There are folks who ferment their wood chip spawn in that very same bacteria (including me). You can buy it as a probiotic supplement on Amazon.  I mix a bit of warm water and honey in a glass, stir in the bacteria and a few hours later stir it into the bucket with water and wood chips, let ferment for a couple of weeks, drain then spawn. 😊




Wth? In nature, plants, fungi and bacteria have beneficial symbiotic relationships.

So why are some people acting like it’s ridiculous to suppose there is a bacteria that could be used in otherwise sterile mushroom grows that could yield more than 1% results.

If it was just one bacteria like Bac Sub, then it seems to not only be easy to do but already practiced by experienced growers….

Plus, Bacillus Sub produces a kinase enzyme key to producing psilocybin and has been isolated from outdoor azurescens.

Alan, this is the second thread you are in that I found evidence of either lazy science or people  actively discrediting someone for bringing up bacterial relationships with fungi or adding precursors. A quick search of this same forum would have revealed there are members using bacteria in their grows already. Gartz proved adding precursors creates novel psychedelics….So why would you respond to a serious inquiry with lazy science like:

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Bacteria is probably more likely to compete with your target fungus than to help it.




While this isn’t exactly false, it’s not really adding much to the conversation and it’s kinda of misleading, lazy science. Since you have a lot of people out there that hang on to your every word, I’d think you’d show a little more due diligence in your responses.

The reality is this:

A quick look in to the claims in this thread clearly show that yes, bacteria can be beneficial to fungi growth. There are experienced growers on this site using bacillus subtillus as we speak.

The search also revealed this unfortunate fact:

If you bring up adding Bacteria or precursors to substrates, there is a team of truth nazis waiting to put your thread onto the false narrative train, on the way to the camp of obscurity.

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Re: Beneficial bacteria relationships with mycelium [Re: djbabyjesus]
    #28492761 - 10/05/23 04:36 AM (3 months, 21 days ago)

There's little chance the bacteria that benefits your species of cultivated mycelium exists in your residence. There are an unfathomable number of different species of bacteria. What's ubiquitous in your environment, especially your home isn't likely to be something of benefit. Perhaps yes. But this is something that would take a real laboratory and team of scientists a long time to work on let alone a home grower. Throwing bacteria in your sub and hoping for different results is something you might want to approach when you're so good at growing you could even be able to tell if there was a difference. Not many growers are so dialed in that their results would even mean anything. Especially including published work from universities. Just trying to apply some critical thinking for OP. This is posted in advanced after all


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Re: Beneficial bacteria relationships with mycelium [Re: bodhisatta]
    #28494083 - 10/06/23 03:27 AM (3 months, 20 days ago)

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There's little chance the bacteria that benefits your species of cultivated mycelium exists in your residence. There are an unfathomable number of different species of bacteria. What's ubiquitous in your environment, especially your home isn't likely to be something of benefit. Perhaps yes. But this is something that would take a real laboratory and team of scientists a long time to work on let alone a home grower. Throwing bacteria in your sub and hoping for different results is something you might want to approach when you're so good at growing you could even be able to tell if there was a difference. Not many growers are so dialed in that their results would even mean anything. Especially including published work from universities. Just trying to apply some critical thinking for OP. This is posted in advanced after all




Critical thinking? What are you even talking about?

No one is saying to throw random bacteria into the substrate. Stop twisting peoples words. People are suggesting and posting the fact that there are beneficial Bacteria being used by large scale mushroom growers and it is in fact available everywhere. If you wanted to isolate the particular bacteria the mushrooms are using….just use a psilocybin mushroom from outside like I did (oops, I mean don’t do that :wink:

Bacillus Sub is literally everywhere. It’s a Bactria found in grass, hay and EVERY LIVING HUMAN ON THIS PLANET omg lol. You could literally shit out the Bactria you need. A simple search would have revealed this in seconds. Just about every pot grower uses the symbiotic relationship between bacteria and fungi to boost phosphorus uptake. Every grow store in town has the stuff u need. Phosphorus uptake and the enzymes involved are quintessential to psilocybin production and mushroom fruiting.

Money doesn’t equal science. If you are waiting for paid studies involving psychedelic mushrooms to make your ‘informed’ decisions you will always be a day late and a dollar short of making your own ground breaking discoveries. All this money = science nonsense  is simply rhetoric to keep the people on top on top and people on the bottom in the trenches.

Take Wood Lovers Paralysis for example, we figured out a cure in 2011. No money involved (maybe some drug money lol) it’s 2023 and the money = science people are still sitting at their universities waiting for funding with their dicks in their hands. Money = science people are light years behind intelligent people with genuine interest and curiosity.


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Re: Beneficial bacteria relationships with mycelium [Re: bodhisatta]
    #28494099 - 10/06/23 04:10 AM (3 months, 20 days ago)

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There's little chance the bacteria that benefits your species of cultivated mycelium exists in your residence. There are an unfathomable number of different species of bacteria. What's ubiquitous in your environment, especially your home isn't likely to be something of benefit. Perhaps yes. But this is something that would take a real laboratory and team of scientists a long time to work on let alone a home grower. Throwing bacteria in your sub and hoping for different results is something you might want to approach when you're so good at growing you could even be able to tell if there was a difference. Not many growers are so dialed in that their results would even mean anything. Especially including published work from universities. Just trying to apply some critical thinking for OP. This is posted in advanced after all




Like I said….

“ If you bring up adding Bacteria or precursors to substrates, there is a team of truth nazis waiting to put your thread onto the false narrative train, on the way to the camp of obscurity.

Snakes in the dune grass 🐍”

From John 5:

10 So the Jewish leaders said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath, and you are not permitted to carry your mat.”
11 But he answered them, “The man who made me well said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’”
12 They asked him, “Who is the man who said to you, ‘Pick up your mat and walk’?”
13 But the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had slipped out, since there was a crowd in that place.
14 After this Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “Look, you have become well. Don’t sin any more, lest anything worse happen to you.”

OP, get up, pick up your mat and walk. Don’t let these old ‘heads’ naysay you out of your own curiosity. Always experiment. Who cares if you lose a tub or two of mushrooms on your journey to SELF enlightenment. Enlightenment comes from curiosity and having the courage to experiment.

As Dr Seuss said: “Don’t let the jerks get you down”.


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