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The Western Diet 2
#28373407 - 06/24/23 09:15 PM (7 months, 17 hours ago) |
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Why?
I have had a bad diet for much of my life. Currently eating the healthiest I ever have and wondered WTF was I thinking. It's not a whole mystery to me but why the disinterest from society at large?
Perhaps not the most interesting thread and I guess answers will tend towards the stress of modern life, profit over ethics, etc.
So, what's your diet like? How has it changed over time? Have there been factors that either caused your diet to fair worse or compelled you to eat better?
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz]
#28373596 - 06/25/23 02:15 AM (7 months, 12 hours ago) |
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Dried grains + protein on the hoof are less demanding.
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TV dinners used to be a thing, you could eat it while watching others eat it on tv, knowing that this ritual was being followed by millions at the same time.
the power of advertising (essentially fake news) makes for the modern western diet.
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One thing that took a while to get is that not all oils are equal and it goes beyond the saturated/unsaturated issue.
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/americas-most-widely-consumed-cooking-oil-causes-genetic-changes-brain
The profit motive does cause a "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality in the food industry. While I suppose it's unavoidable to some degree, there is reluctance or lack of desire to adjust as new evidence comes to light.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz] 1
#28373739 - 06/25/23 06:32 AM (7 months, 8 hours ago) |
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I put cotton seed oil on my bicycle chain because it had the highest heat rating.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz] 3
#28374040 - 06/25/23 11:53 AM (7 months, 3 hours ago) |
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In the last 8 months or so I've switched to sugar free beverages and reduced my overall sugar intake by maybe 90%. I am also more aware of what a full days calories look like and can easily recognise if I've over eaten during a day, or if I'm relatively within daily limits.
So far I've lost over 12kg without changing my physical routine, although I am generally pretty active in the day to day.
Having pains where my pancreas is a few months ago tempted me to see a gp and get an ultrasound where I was fine but had 5% fatty liver, which in itself isn't bad, but is an indication that the lifestyle of sugary beverages I was enduring didn't have long term benefits. 10-30% can become an issue with fatty liver.
Since then I haven't drunk this year and cut my triglyceride levels from 3.6 to 1.2, and reduced my cholesterol by 20%. I also don't spend as much on groceries nowadays and eat a lot more fruits that I get cheaply from a nearby fruit store.
I still eat roasts weekly and soft drinks regularly but they're all sugar free. I used to eat a bag of lollies in a night, now this week I had one over 4 days or so. Even then, being aware of the amount of calories in a bag of lollies, it's easier not to overeat even if I did have a whole bag of lollies in a day. I don't count my calories, I'm just generally aware of how much I eat and I think it's been an important factor in my recent weight loss.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: sudly] 1
#28374118 - 06/25/23 01:06 PM (7 months, 1 hour ago) |
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That's awesome. My diet is similar, no refined sugar, small amounts of honey, fruits. I'll have 1 slice of good bread sometimes though I tend to eat oatmeal instead (I chef'd up an oat cracker recipe). I've lost 5 kilos in 4 months but also gained muscle. I avoid most dairy except Greek yoghurt, drink almond milk which is the only non-dairy milk I'll touch.
The only added oils are EVOO and avocado (avocado based mayo). Some veggies but not a ton. Eggs, meat, whey protein. I don't count but estimate my protein intake is around 100-125 grams a day.
And yes, working up my own meals has been not just healthier but cheaper.
I don't think beef is unhealthy but when consumed daily it's good to consume with a calcium source and when grilling there's nothing good about charring. Thin cuts/burgers on lower heat cook quickly so there's no need to burn the outside to cook the inside.
I have no idea how many calories I eat daily. The primary loss of calories in my diet has been not eating after dinner unless it's something small like yoghurt with berries. Some people call this intermittent fasting and I wake up feeling great. I used to easily eat 500-1000 calories between 8-12pm.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz]
#28374143 - 06/25/23 01:46 PM (7 months, 1 hour ago) |
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I avoid dairy due to a pretty strong lactose intolerance that has developed in the last 3 years or so. Before then I was crushing down choccy milks like no ones business. Lactese tablets help sometimes but that's for a single chocolate bar or so, definitely not for drinking milk, but almond is decent enough with the wheeties.
Mayonaise is very fatty being 90% oil. I don't think there are healthier oils, I mean olive oils are usually blends, and they'll all turn to fat. Like how himilayan salt has no nutritional benefits because you'd need to eat several kilos to get a single vitamin tablets worth of difference from normal table salt. But the colours nice.
I don't think any meats are unhealthy, to me it's more of being aware how much fat I'm eating, and sometimes if I make a pork roast, I don't eat all the crackling, or at least it's portioned with some semblance of moderation.
Sugars turn to fat, oils turn to fat, but it's easier to take in a lot of sugar, and not as easy to drink 500ml of oil, unless you're LA Beast.
Even meat as a calcium source, or milk or beans and whatnot, unless there are vitamin deficiencies I don't think vitamin supplements are useful, amino acids to some extent, but not micronutrients. If you take a blood test and find something sure, but more often than not health claims related to micronutrients appear to be esoteric.
Macronutrients seem easier to balance without excessive sugar intake in my experience.
I don't stress eat as much now that I'm single and have greater independence. I'm not consistently worried about what someone else is thinking/worrying about, or wanting me to do. I'm not catering to the emotional state of a significant other, and at this point that's okay. I don't want to be responsible for the emotional security of another person at the cost of my own true happiness. I've made new friends and had new experiences and I'm not ashamed about it. I've enjoyed a lot of parts of the new path I've walked down, has been a bit of a metaphorical baptism of flames at times, but that's personally contextual and just means I've gone outside of my previous comfort zone for the better.
I don't actively fast or anything, I eat less some mornings than others when I haven't gone shopping or don't make enough time in the morning for breakfast. Sometimes if I feel I over ate one day, I might actively eat less the next.
In the long run I've been consistent, but I don't follow monastic rules.
I think it kind of comes with making a routine, because since I've developed some I'm comfortable with, I don't feel compelled to dissuade myself from them.. but that comes with time and building the inertia of consistency.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: sudly]
#28374199 - 06/25/23 02:50 PM (7 months, 6 minutes ago) |
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Some oils have a ton of linoleic acid and that's the primary reason I avoid them.
And yep, I don't use a lot of added oil and minimize fat in some areas, fat free cottage cottage cheese and yoghurt, so I'm not overdoing it with meats. I use the mayo for making chicken salad. Just enough to make it palatable.
I don't drink milk either but cottage cheese, yoghurt, occasionally a hard white cheese like parmesan/Romano doesn't bother me.
Typical Western diets rarely have deficiencies. I experiment with supplements but the only one I have high confidence in is creatine.
Finding the right person for a relationship is difficult. If infatuation could be measured on a scale of 1-10, I'll go for a 5 with someone who's a 5 to me. I've met girls who I got along with swimmingly but when the desire level is off kilter in either direction it's always a stress in some form. I enjoy dating with low expectations but my goal in dating is to find someone I want who wants me without too much craziness involved. I don't know what it's like over there in Australia but here in the states white girls seem to have the most mental/emotional problems. I don't have an Asian fetish but my experiences have leaned me heavily in that direction.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz]
#28374241 - 06/25/23 03:26 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Saturated and unsaturated fats, I suppose that's a distinction between oils.
I've figured out how to make my poops green, red, purple and fleuro yellow from purely the foods I've eaten, figuring this out was a little shocking at first but made sense as soon as I remembered what foods I recently ate and how much of them I did. In order, food colourings, watermelon, red dragon fruit, and sweet potato. The yellow was a shocker , over a kilo of sweet potatos later and my toilet was hi-vis.
Creatine, glycine and NAC as amino acids make sense to me because they're for antioxidant and muscle building purposes, but I wouldn't say they're dietarily related.
I'm a rather perculiar person who's interested in rather perculiar people and since I've been open and honest about it, I've met some likeminded people I get along with well in person. We also want the same things though, and that's casual ENM relations. Specificity in what you want from a relationship is good. I've talked to people who were interesting, and once they told me they have relationship goals that differed to mine, I let them know I didn't think I was the right guy for them. Recognition of fomo for absolving ambivilance has gone a long way in my life, even outside of intimate relations and into the day to day.
To me, an anxious heart is an orange light, and it usually means I just need to take my time to try and find the words to express what I want to say to the person in a respectful and open way. Was talking to a girl the other day about communicating within intimate relations and I wanted to tell her about an informative experience, but I was struggling to put it into words, so I told her that's what I was doing, and a minute later I said (summarised) people can't talk when they're giving a blowjob and hand communication takes over. but that's just one example. But even then, my anxious heart doesn't flutter as much when I let the butterflies out, because I can tell someone I want to kiss them without expecting to kiss them. It's more like an invitation to communicate and an expression of my intimate desire towards them. I can say it, without necessarily having to act on anything, and the people I've met recently are good at communicating too, so if I went too far they're more than happy to respectfully tell me so, and I really appreciate that kind of communication because it helps to set up awareness of eachothers comfort levels and boundaries.
I'm into nerds and goths for sure. Just confident people in general. Findingly more mature people who at least on the surface have some semblence of their shit together. With self respect and personal boundaries they stand up for and all.
A bit of yellow fever ey, even kink is a wonder to explore, just theoretically. Love language, bdsm etc.
If someone asked me what my fantasies were last year I wouldn't be able to tell them, now I'm aware of over 300 kinky types from feet to slave play, spanking to tears, cradling, words of affirmation, sensory deprivation etc. the list goes on.
Even verbal degredation makes sense to me nowadays because it's only appropriate within the boundaries of private intimacy, well generally, but wherever you and your partner set them.
I am into girls that ask me if I know what the peripheral nervous system is upon sitting down on a first date, but not limited to. Still honing, but enjoying all the while.
P.s. I do not like 1-10 scales
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: sudly] 1
#28374331 - 06/25/23 04:45 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Well no yellow fever. I think in general they just have better childhoods and fewer mental issues. That's an opinion based on experience rather than a fact. I can lean on experience without creating stereotypical beliefs but I think there's some truth to it. I think they tend to be more intelligent as well. College entrance requirements seem to agree. Asians here are also much less likely to be overweight.
There's also a strong component of expectation. I've never talked to a non-white woman who expressed a preference for 6/6/6. In general a beautiful white girl will have higher material expectations than a beautiful non-white girl. I could afford a sports car but I have no desire for one. I've never had a non-white girl express embarrassment over getting in my beater truck.
I don't necessarily like scales but attraction is not always equal and both nature and nurture seem involved.
I'm older than you I think so hot kinky sex isn't the first thing on my mind. One of my best relationships in the last 10 years was with a rock hound and the fact that she enjoyed spending 5 hours at a time looking for rocks was very sexy.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz]
#28374338 - 06/25/23 04:50 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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And again, if you read the article one of the main concerns is the linoleic acid content (aka omega 6). People use to lean much more on added saturated/animal fats and while it's a complex issue the increase in unsaturated dietary fat from non-traditional sources corresponds to a rise in obesity rates along with various other health issues.
I think dietary trends can lag behind the science a great deal. Many people still avoid eggs due to fear of high cholesterol even years after it's been shown that dietary cholesterol intake isn't a major factor in cholesterol issues.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz]
#28374355 - 06/25/23 05:07 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Chinese dumplings with pork and shrimp and portabello mushroom are nice in my soup.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz] 1
#28374359 - 06/25/23 05:10 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Where the rockhounds at?
At this point I actively go into relationships that espouse a distinct lack of expectations, the casual ones.
I went on a date with a white lady a while ago and when it came to paying the bill she said she would pay, I told her I was going to pay for myself anyway, she replied that she wasn't the kind of woman to expect a man to pay on the first date, she then said she'd pay for this one and I could for the next one.
It was nice to hear and didn't feel unbalanced.
Hot kinky sex isn't the first thing on my mind, friendship and company are, and alongside good open communication, if there's chemistry, the later may unfold.
Trans fats have a pretty bad rep.
Is interesting how different cultures tend to lean towards different dietary trends, like the mediterraian, the japanese rice, the italian pasta, the asian vegetable mixes etc. I suppose some of them developed from the historical availability of certain foods.
I don't think there's a lot of contested scientific information on what's in foods, or necessarily what role that stuff inside the food plays within our bodies. But I've heard suggestions even salami can increase the risks of cancer so there are still some uncertainties, but I wouldn't personally highlight there as being a great deal of misunderstanding, or yet to figure out macronutrient long term effects and impacts.
Honestly not sure how some types of butters are alleged to reduce cholestorol, but if one butter has 20% fat, and the other 15%. Continued regular use of the 15% butter would reduce fat intake from butter by 5% and likely reduce cholestorol to some extent, but outside of such an arrangement I don't know yet how it's suggested to happen.
Less sugar, alcohol and improved general awareness of my daily caloric intakes reduced my cholestorol by 20% in 6 months, so I think that's note worthy.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: sudly]
#28374367 - 06/25/23 05:28 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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good work on the cholesterols
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: sudly]
#28374536 - 06/25/23 08:04 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Haha, well that's unusual. I would have asked her the logic behind it but I would be good getting my dinner paid for on the first date. I have hopes without expectations when dating, partly because they're learning opportunities. Even bad dates are still interesting in some way.
I have no issues with most kinks, I'm just not what I would consider kinky, though I'm not exactly conservative. I love licking pussy and getting blow jobs. I've dated girls that have trouble reaching orgasm and have no issues using my fingers to get the job done. If a girl doesn't like french kissing it might be a deal breaker though I have made exceptions. Rockhound girl being one, who had severe anxeity issues, pulled out all her body hair including pubes. She never made her issues my issues though which was part of what made her amazing to me. I think rock hunting was like meditation for her and helped her feel calm.
Trans-fat is one of the first things I realized might be wrong with the American diet. Plenty of evidence it's not healthy and was used in most pre-packaged snack cakes. I don't know if it's changed but I quit eating most carbs from convenient stores after that. I think it's nitrates that makes processed meats bad. I'll eat some bacon but I don't keep it at the house. My step father makes bacon but it's not as good as the store bought stuff.
Anyway yea, cutting out processed sugar and alcohol is a giant step and everything after that is fine tuning. I have a friend who went keto for about a year. I saw him and he was thin, and calm as a cucumber like he had turned into a wise sage. And then he went back to his regular diet and drinking and gained the 50 lbs he had lost.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz]
#28374558 - 06/25/23 08:26 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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I got us lunch the next time
I wasn't intending to pay for her lunch too, I am romantic because I enjoy it in a natural way, but I'm not very traditional or chivalrous in regard to pulling out chairs, opening doors, or taking off my jumper because she decided not to bring hers.
We were at some markets a while later and she couldn't get reception to pay for some plants so I got them for her because it wasn't a big deal. 10 bucks here or there balances out pretty well when you spend time with a partner in my experience.
I don't mind if someone is anxious or not fully confident to make a move etc, and I appreciate it when they can communicate they feel like that, and having insecurities is completely normal imo, there is a point though I've realised from my previous relationship where insecurities can reach point that there is nothing I can do to help them feel better through listening or consolation. I get that we grow overtime, slowly sometimes, but I am more aware of what it's like when there's not much to any change over the long term.
Not making her issues my issues, and not making 'my issues' her issues was an important part of my decision to be single. And practicing it in a casual manner has worked well so far. Noodling and fossicking can be meditative at times, and exciting upon new discoveries.
I've heard there are some food additives banned in countries like Europe that the US allows..
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U.S. food additives banned in Europe: Expert says what Americans eat is "almost certainly" making them sick
London — From baguettes to focaccia, Europe is famous for its bread. But there's one ingredient conspicuously missing: Potassium bromate. It's a suspected carcinogen that's banned for human consumption in Europe, China and India, but not in the United States.
In the U.S., the chemical compound is used by some food makers, usually in the form of fine crystals or powder, to strengthen dough. It is estimated to be present in more than 100 products.
"There is evidence that it may be toxic to human consumers, that it may even either initiate or promote the development of tumors," professor Erik Millstone, an expert on food additives at England's University of Sussex, told CBS News. He said European regulators take a much more cautious approach to food safety than their U.S. counterparts.
Asked if it can be said with certainty that differences in regulations mean people in the U.S. have developed cancers that they would not have developed if they'd been eating exclusively in Europe, Millstone said that was "almost certainly the conclusion that we could reach."
It's not just potassium bromate. A range of other chemicals and substances banned in Europe over health concerns are also permitted in the U.S., including Titanium dioxide (also known as E171); Brominated vegetable oil (BVO) (E443); Potassium bromate (E924); Azodicarbonamide (E927a) and Propylparaben (E217).
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-food-additives-banned-europe-making-americans-sick-expert-says/
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Anyway yea, cutting out processed sugar and alcohol is a giant step and everything after that is fine tuning.

You can jump on any old diet but unless it becomes routine to eat in a less calorie or sugar intensive way, it's likely not going to be long term effective.
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#28374761 - 06/26/23 03:06 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Canadian Milk products are terrible. The Milk Board is way too powerful. My wife can eat as much greek style yogurt as she likes in USA with no allergy problems, but in Canada, just coffee cream is acceptable to her (2 tsp per day). Imported milk products are severely restricted here.
Both Canada and USA permit higher percentages of food additive poisons that are not allowed in Europe.
Also medicines, creams and liquids have too much soy - the peanut allergy includes all bean and soy products or contact.
Soy based waxes have found their way into fruit sprays to make them stay fresh longer. It is an ongoing burden to avoid using the epi-pens.
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: sudly]
#28375038 - 06/26/23 09:25 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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I don't mind if someone is anxious or not fully confident to make a move etc, and I appreciate it when they can communicate they feel like that, and having insecurities is completely normal imo, there is a point though I've realised from my previous relationship where insecurities can reach point that there is nothing I can do to help them feel better through listening or consolation. I get that we grow overtime, slowly sometimes, but I am more aware of what it's like when there's not much to any change over the long term.
I broke off a LTR last December for the same reason. It's not rare that a man (or woman) will do a lot, put up with a lot, make compromises and make sacrifices to make things work. But when the hope for change dies and they feel like there's no path forward no amount of wanting things to be different will change that.
I don't fault you a bit and it would be problematic to start looking for something serious right away. I appreciate that you're enjoying yourself and exploring.
I like watermelon. Watermelon > candy bar
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Re: The Western Diet [Re: Rahz]
#28375046 - 06/26/23 09:41 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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everything better than candy except sometimes a tiny box of smarties! would you eat the red ones last?
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