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Offlined33p
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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: Twirling]
    #2854394 - 07/03/04 03:59 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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Twirling said:
Means nothing? 6-7% of America's economy is backed on country which is doing the same things Iraq & al-Qaeda does and it means nothing? The connection is that these are HUGE investors in the Americian economy and holds a devistating interest in what the Americian government does, and it means nothing? It's not a comparison, it's illstriating the connections to the motivations of the Bush administration.
Lets go slow: There are people in S.A. who have lots of money. They want more money. They invest in American companies which they think will earn them profit. I would like to see the percentage of economies of other countries that America owns.


They let the Bush administration speak for itself by actually showing video of them, you know, actually saying that. If you haven't seen the movie, than how are you commenting that Moore is wrong?

I did not say he is wrong........ And i was wondering when they would have said that since bush took office very late 2000.

Do some research and look at who supported the Taliban in the first place. Reader's Digest version; Afghanistan was going through political turmoil in the late 70's, and the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan was taking control and wanted to work with the Soviet Union. Osma's network was fighting against them, and the US supported the Taliban as "Afghan Contras". We put them in power, it's not that they just happen to have some sort of diplomatic control of Afghanistan, we had connections to them. Ronald Reagan called Osma bin Laden a "freedom fighter" for his work. The point the movie was making is that the connections still existed in the Bush jr. era.

Of course there is a connection we were fighting the soviets back then. Im not saying he is lying, im saying he is making something out of nothing.

You placed them in no context whatsoever but simply dismissed them by saying you disagree. You have no facts at all, and you didn't see the movie. Stop claiming that you have this extensive knowledge that goes beyond Moore's movie when you haven't even seen it in the first place. Saying "I disagree" and "this means nothing" has no merit.

Sorry but I don't have the luxary of sitting in front of a computer all day responding to crap. And of course what i posted had no merit. Your response had no merit. Nothing in this thread has merit. Who the fuck cares?





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Offlined33p
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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #2854417 - 07/03/04 04:09 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
Key aspects of the film that shocked me (Mostly because of the amount of evidence to support it)

-Bush's ties with the Saudi Royal family and the Bin Laden family means nothing
means nothing to who?? sean hanity? rush limbaugh?
They control more oil than any other country, i expect their to be ties.
-Some 30 members of the Bin Laden Family were airlifted out of the country 3 days after 9/11 with no investigation or questioning taking place. (standard protocol for FBI mind you) means nothing
means nothing to the people who died because their organs couldnt be flown to them?
Flight would have been suspended regaurdless. Why did you even say that.
-Saudis own 6-7% of America representing 1 Trillion dollars of combined monetary interest in various banks, companies and organizations (Citibank, Aol Time-Warner being among the biggest) There regime is no different from the Taliban, Al quada or any other middle eastern dictatorship/monarchy. Beheadings, civil rights, government control over the people-Still run rampant. Means nothing and bad comparison
the fact that they own so much means nothing to you?? the fact they commit human rights abuse means nothing?? isnt that y u right wingers think sadamm was so bad?
There are many very wealthy people in SA, expect it. They are just a primitive arab nation, i expect it. Having public executions on fridays and genocide and 2 very different things
-Bush rigged the election. It all there in black and white. Many of his closest friends and family members made it impossible for him not to win Florida. i disagree
according to most independant studies since the election, you are WRONG
should i care?
-The Control Bush has over FOX Broadcasting and this was the major contributer to his win in Florida. i disagree
wrong again chief
see above
-The current president of Afganistan was an ex unocal employee when Bush ran the company. Means nothing if he can do the job
wow corruption means nothing to you?
as long as he can do the job
-Iraq did not pose any threat whatsoever to the U.S. Bush's whole cabinet admitted this back in 2000 but said the opposite in 2002. Well i have not seen the movie yet so please explain how they show this
no WMDs and no al-queda ties = no threat to us
alrite
-Bush allowed a Taliban leader to visit the U.S. The same regime that knowingly was responisble for 9/11. The taliban led a country so we had to talk to them. Heck at one point Pablo escovar was a diplomat to the US and took vacations in DC
under a republican president??
i believe carter
-The whole emergency threat level response is a scam.The fear it imposed is there to feed the cause and make people feel better about the war. The whole patriot act needs to be repealed and homeland security is just a bush euphamism for "gimme mah money!" I disagree except about patriot act
do you smoke crack or are u just that jaded?
I dont give a shit about that skittlies meter and if you do you are retarded.
-The war in afganistan was for oil and Iraq paid the price i disagree
facts are hard to disagree with
....
-Only one congressmen has an enlisted child in the military. means nothing
it means the fat cats send poor boys to die and send their kids to ivy league schools...that means nothing ?
You finally understand.




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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2854614 - 07/03/04 05:40 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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So Clinton and McVeigh were tied, since McVeigh came from America?




that's quite an amazing leap you just made there.

reread what I wrote, I've simply indicated that Bush is
treating SA lightly, despite the fact that the children of
SA are raised in a strictly muslim environment that paints
the west and its inhabitants as evil infidels. He is likely
doing this due to his long and lucrative business career
with the country.

But had Clinton run this country for ages, created T McV's
in a school system that taught the youth to despise the
evil muslims in the east and also had family that had
contributed heavily to the terrorist cause, yes, then I'd
consider him tied to the act.

but you're making a disengenuous analogy.

Quote:

Proof? Link?




you didn't even try to look, did you?

brief explanation:

Kathy and Jeb hired a Republican-owned company called Choicepoint
to "scrub" the voter rolls of florida. They were supposed to remove
convicted felons, but the company deliberately set the search
parameters so wide that tens of thousands of non-felons were wrongly
flagged and denied their right to vote. For example, if you were named
Joseph Robert Smith, and a convicted felon had the name Joe (anything)
Smith, guess what? you were considered a felon and you couldn't vote.
People could not find out this had been done to them until the very day
of the election, when they went to vote. Further, those illegally
disenfranchised were overwhelmingly black, in a percentage far above
their representation in the state. In other words, if you were black, you
were much more likely to end up on this list than if you were white.*

*explanation snatched from blog

here's the links to palast's articles on the matter:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=122&row=1
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=167&row=1
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=314&row=1

The detailed outline of the events can be found in
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy by Greg Palast,

you can also use your favorite search engine to gather
more information on the matter.

I guess they didn't report this one on newsmax.com or
rightwingnews.com....


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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: afoaf]
    #2854642 - 07/03/04 06:01 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

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afoaf said:
that's quite an amazing leap you just made there.




Yes, I think it's idiotic to assume that simply because someone comes from a nation and perpetrates an action the leaders are tied in with it too. I didn't make that assumption, I posted that statement to show you how idiotic that line of thinking can be. I'm glad that you saw it
Quote:


reread what I wrote, I've simply indicated that Bush is
treating SA lightly, despite the fact that the children of
SA are raised in a strictly muslim environment that paints
the west and its inhabitants as evil infidels. He is likely
doing this due to his long and lucrative business career
with the country.




I'll agree with that, actually. however, it doesn't show that the Saudi Govt is tied in with the al Q operatives that attacked us on 9/11, any more than the clinton administration was tied with McVeigh
Quote:


But had Clinton run this country for ages, created T McV's
in a school system that taught the youth to despise the
evil muslims in the east and also had family that had
contributed heavily to the terrorist cause, yes, then I'd
consider him tied to the act.




why would the muslims matter with McVeigh?
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I guess they didn't report this one on newsmax.com or
rightwingnews.com....



I couldn't care less, I don't vote, don't care who president is. I want Kerry to win. The quicker things go down the shitter, the quicker we can fix them.

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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2854832 - 07/03/04 08:18 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)


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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: Ed1]
    #2855068 - 07/03/04 11:39 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)

Or maybe Fred Barnes is a liar. Prove it to me that I'm wrong.

How bout this: How 'bout you go see the fucking movie yourself and post a fucking opinion of your own.

THEN maybe someone will listen to your fucking cut-and-past diatribes about whether he's a liar or not.

18 posts in and I already have no use for you.


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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2858235 - 07/05/04 07:02 AM (19 years, 8 months ago)

(NO FLAMING!!!! - trendal)

Edited by trendal (07/05/04 10:05 AM)

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Re: Fahrenheit 911 Irony [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2872815 - 07/09/04 12:35 PM (19 years, 8 months ago)


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