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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2838188 - 06/29/04 01:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Fortunately for Moore, his reputation as a lTrueful actavist for the common man precedes him.

Yet gullible sheep Listen to right wing claims of him being a lieing sack of shit.

Puzzling.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: afoaf]
    #2838655 - 06/29/04 05:20 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Right, as your article confirms, Bush didn't.


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whether that's creditable to the administration's skill at
plausibly deniable doublespeak or americans poor listening
comprehension is debatable.



Actually, I'd vote for a parroting of the phrase by the media. You know, our left leaning media flunkies.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2839227 - 06/29/04 11:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2839910 - 06/29/04 03:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

It's true, people leaving the movie think Michael Moore is an anchor from fox news.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: Bush2004]
    #2839996 - 06/29/04 03:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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The enemy loves guys like Michael Moore.




'The enemy' loves guys like Bush.


they share a symbiotic demagoguery.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: GernBlanston]
    #2840702 - 06/29/04 06:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Unfortunately for our country and our notions of free speech, his reputation as a lying sack of shit precedes him for reasons that can never be properly explained by anyone who holds this opinion. When questioned about the presupposed "lies", Moore's opponents usually burst into ad hominem attacks about his weight.




I haven't seen F911, nor will I pay to see it. I did see bowling for columbine, however. I also saw the brilliant editing, by Moore, which equates to a lie in my book. I can take five different posts of yours, tie a single line from each post together, and make you look like a total schmuck... or the next savior of the world... both of which would be lies. Context is everything... and Moore does his best to take things out of context to make his point...

I have never once attacked his weight. I haven't heard a single person that attacked Moores films make comments about his weight. The only people that seem concerned about his weight are the people that like him and seem to think that everybody else hates him because of his weight... sorry, weight has nothing to do with it... ethics have everything to do with it.

Finally, why does everybody have to be either a Moore Lover or a Bush Lover? I dislike both for very simliar reasons... they have identical ethics within their chosen occupation.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2840903 - 06/29/04 07:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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The enemy loves guys like Michael Moore.




'The enemy' loves guys like Bush.


they share a symbiotic demagoguery.




And Moore is not a demagog? At least Bush and Al Qaeda don't share the same talking points.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2840929 - 06/29/04 07:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I guess Moore used trick photography and/or editing and/or lies to show Bush sitting stunned for 9 minutes (or whatever) as the Twin Towers burned. Well he was reading that captivating pet goat story...

He must have also used ventriloquism when Bushes own words contradicted himself.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: Swami]
    #2841415 - 06/29/04 11:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

you'd be amazed at the camera trickery he's capable of!

I'm curious about specific examples of cheating via edits
and/or ommitting contextual information...

anything specific, anyone?


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    #2841723 - 06/30/04 12:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: fft2]
    #2841845 - 06/30/04 01:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No One knows what it was like unless you actually where and when all the shit went down. I'm not talking about living in Jersey... I don't live in manhattan...but in 1 of the 5 boroughs and it was fucking scary. Was Mr. Moore there at the time? If he was then he has a right to comment on his own feelings, otherwise.....well you all get my drift...you had to be there to understand it


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: chinadoll]
    #2841902 - 06/30/04 01:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Understand what? the september 11th attacks? First of all that makes up about 20% of what the movie is about. 2nd, If the war was waged against Hong kong would you chime in and say "you had to be there to understand?".



P.S- I know you wrote this just to let us all know that you are closer to the tragedy and therefore more informed than any of us as a whole about why the U.S is at war.


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    #2841934 - 06/30/04 01:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: ]
    #2841939 - 06/30/04 01:34 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No one know what it was actually like unless they were here


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #2841986 - 06/30/04 01:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
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DoctorJ said:
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The enemy loves guys like Michael Moore. 




'The enemy' loves guys like Bush. 


they share a symbiotic demagoguery.




And Moore is not a demagog? At least Bush and Al Qaeda don't share the same talking points.




all I'm saying is this: 

Osama bin laden gets people to follow him because those people are afraid of Bush. 

Bush gets people to follow him because those people are afraid of Osama bin Laden. 

They really have a nice arrangement worked out, don't they?  :wink:

Osama and Bush have really done a lot for eachother, at least in terms of the psychological manipulation of their respective constituencies.  I don't think either one would hold as much sway with that many people if it weren't for the other. 

Although I will admit moore is a demagogue, I do believe he has much better motives than most of the people who also use his tactics (including many politicians of both left and right descent).  However, your comment about moore didn't have anything to do with my comment about Bush and Osama's obvious butt buddy-ism.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: fft2]
    #2842097 - 06/30/04 02:13 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If the enemy loves anyone its Bush not moore. Bush is a religious nut just like the so called enemy and he is exactly what they need to fire up their holly war and keep it going


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: chinadoll]
    #2842925 - 06/30/04 10:24 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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No One knows what it was like unless you actually where and when all the shit went down. I'm not talking about living in Jersey... I don't live in manhattan...but in 1 of the 5 boroughs and it was fucking scary. Was Mr. Moore there at the time? If he was then he has a right to comment on his own feelings, otherwise.....well you all get my drift...you had to be there to understand it




I live in Queens. It was the most terrible day of my life. I still have nightmnares about it. We thought one of my cousins was dead for over 5 hours until she finally showed up. 2 guys I hung out with in high school did die. Both worked for Cantor Fitzgerald.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: ]
    #2842934 - 06/30/04 10:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I haven't seen F911, nor will I pay to see it. I did see bowling for columbine, however. I also saw the brilliant editing, by Moore, which equates to a lie in my book. I can take five different posts of yours, tie a single line from each post together, and make you look like a total schmuck... or the next savior of the world... both of which would be lies. Context is everything... and Moore does his best to take things out of context to make his point...






Absolute bullshit. Seriously.

The stuff taken out of context was more for comedic value than anything I thought. It certainly doesn't change any of the facts at the basis of the film and nothing will. Did the Bush administration release an EDITED copy of W's military record with that other name blacked out (you know, the one with the guy who managed the Bin Laden's money or whatever). Did Bush sit there like a dumbass waiting for someone to tell him what to do on 9/11 or did he not? Moore himself called it "a bit of a comedy." So maybe he skillfully makes them look like retards, so what - is anyone here able to actually refute with evidence the factual claims the movie makes, rather than simply dismissing every aspect of it because of the slanted style? Of course not. So while plenty of evidence is plainly laid out for everyone to look at for yourselves, you refuse to, for reasons beyond me.

And if you really don't like either of them, great, but I think the repurcussions of the actions of one of them seem a lot more negative to me. From your own point of view, wouldn't you rather have someone with the 'ethics' you speak of running around making movies instead of running a country?





Read this

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Then tell me about how honest a guy MM is.


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: fft2]
    #2843161 - 06/30/04 12:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i'm not a Moore fan but wouldn't the New York Times checking for accuracies be kind of like Saddam Husain looking for human rights violations?


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Re: New York times Fact checks Moore [Re: fft2]
    #2844399 - 06/30/04 07:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

IMHO, Moore played it safe with this movie. There are soooo many things he could have gone into, but he focused only on the things that were public knowledge, and could be found by any credible source.

He doesn't even appear in this movie, it's all footage, most of it exclusive. It's basically a long documentary of Bush clips, with Michael Moore as narrator, so of course his opinions are all over the place, but he doesn't make any kinds of outrageous claims, only asks why no one else was asking the president about some of this stuff.


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