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JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say
#28369454 - 06/21/23 09:41 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say komonews.com
EPHRATA, Wash. — The U.S. Army soldier arrested in connection to the deadly shooting at the Gorge Amphitheatre campgrounds was high on drugs when he killed two people and wounded three others, according to new court filings out of Grant County.
Prosecutors said James Kelly, a 26-year-old Joint Base Lewis-McChord active-duty solider, had taken hallucinogenic mushrooms prior to the Beyond Wonderland electronic dance music festival on Saturday, and once the drugs kicked in, he started thinking “the world was ending.” According to criminal charging papers, Kelly told his girlfriend they needed to return to the campground, which is where he went back to his truck and retrieved a handgun.
Moments later, engaged couple Josilyn Ruiz and Brandy Escamilla were walking past and Kelly fired on both of them, court documents said. Ruiz, 26, and Escamilla, 29, were later pronounced dead on scene. According to the evidence prosecutors presented, Kelly then shot 31-year-old father of two Andrew Cuadra, who also goes by August Morningstar, who suffered a serious injury to his shoulder and is now recovering at the hospital. Kelly is also charged with shooting a 61-year-old private security guard who was slightly injured.
Prosecutors said Kelly’s girlfriend called 911, but Kelly grabbed the phone and threw it into the field before she could alert law enforcement of what was happening. Kelly then took his girlfriend into a field, possibly in an attempt to hide, and ultimately shot her twice in the legs, prosecutors said.
Kelly was then shot and wounded by a Moses Lake police officers and taken into custody, officials said.
On Wednesday, Kelly appeared before a judge in a Grant County courtroom and heard the charges against him. The judge ordered Kelly be held in jail without bail at this time and he is expected back in court on July 5 for an arraignment hearing.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: Ythan] 1
#28369488 - 06/21/23 10:39 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Who tf brings a handgun to a festival
While it's possible he only took mushrooms, this is in Washington.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: jack_straw2208]
#28369510 - 06/21/23 11:23 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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These people literally had a reason to defend themselves, in that time and place.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: durian_2008]
#28369551 - 06/22/23 12:42 AM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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He saw patterns on their faces, he's got a right to defend himself!
But seriously, a gun at a festival? This guy can't be a part of our social club anymore, that much I do know
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: theRealrollforever]
#28369673 - 06/22/23 05:17 AM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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All it takes is one instance like this to set our community and progress in laws back DECADES. This shit boils down to numbers. As popularity grows for psychadelic substances and the sample size of people indulging increase that chances for messed up events happening increase. Once everyone and their brother is into the psychadelic melting pot, its safe to safe every now and then someone is going to absolutely flip their lid. I liked it all when it was underground. Im all for no fucking jail for possession of nature or any substance that isnt intended to harm, but as this cat comes out of the bag, a few people arn't going to be able to handle it, and its gonna create precident for future nay sayers to lean on and continue prohibition or monopolize it under the guise of "saftey" its only safe to take psilocybin at this...type of clinic. Type shit...
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: theRealrollforever]
#28369809 - 06/22/23 08:51 AM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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theRealrollforever said: He saw patterns on their faces, he's got a right to defend himself!
But seriously, a gun at a festival? This guy can't be a part of our social club anymore, that much I do know
You understand, another person with a gun, stopped this criminal with a gun right?
There's 400 million+ guns here, there's likely someone with a gun everywhere you go, you just don't know it. When shit hits the fan, people wait for someone else with a gun to stop it whether that's a civilian or a cop. Basically, if we go into a "gun free zone," we are sitting ducks whether a shooting like this is planned or some dipshit trips too ahrd and starts shooting at shadows because BaD tRiP.
Dangerous people out there, all I know, is I prefer having a gun than not, have you seen the public out there? I don't trust'em or the gubbermit.
Fuck gun control
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: PreparationH]
#28369960 - 06/22/23 10:32 AM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Theres alot of negative discord about Guns on these boards not just because of inherent poltical leanings in these types of communities but because we have to discord ideologies from across the globe on these boards where people litterally are sitting ducks if someone can and decides brandish against them. If thy don't have rights or access, they sure as shit arn't going to support yours...get ebough people here chiming and all of a sudden it becomes cool to blast gun owners or state them as "The problem" I absolutely love the comment about victims waiting around for someone with a gun to show up. Its litterally what happens in the most cause and effect sense. Lol gun free, is for anyone that follows "rules" those who don't are basically given a monopoly on violence for the guven period of time before someone else is able to show up and neutralize the condition l, likely by firearm..
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: Grungeman17]
#28370075 - 06/22/23 12:07 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Grungeman17 said: All it takes is one instance like this to set our community and progress in laws back DECADES. This shit boils down to numbers. As popularity grows for psychadelic substances and the sample size of people indulging increase that chances for messed up events happening increase. Once everyone and their brother is into the psychadelic melting pot, its safe to safe every now and then someone is going to absolutely flip their lid. I liked it all when it was underground. Im all for no fucking jail for possession of nature or any substance that isnt intended to harm, but as this cat comes out of the bag, a few people arn't going to be able to handle it, and its gonna create precident for future nay sayers to lean on and continue prohibition or monopolize it under the guise of "saftey" its only safe to take psilocybin at this...type of clinic. Type shit...
Couldn't agree more
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: Grungeman17]
#28370237 - 06/22/23 01:53 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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I would argue in favor of staying stone cold sober if you are going to be driving, or are 'trip'sitting, or have other peoples' safety in your hands, in any way.
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Grungeman17 said: ...inherent poltical leanings in these types of communities

Normally, I would say that the politics are indie, and where were the authorities, when they were needed and wanted.
How is your community supposed to deal with danger, if trouble finds you, through no fault of your own.
This is just one of many, timeless, universal, social needs that political independents should be learning how to deal with.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: durian_2008]
#28370314 - 06/22/23 03:08 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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You guys are saying that you need guns to protect yourself from guns. Solution is self-evident, no?
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: GenericHero]
#28370350 - 06/22/23 03:42 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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A reverse feedback loop is a process in which the output of a system is fed back into the system in a way that influences the system's behavior, but in the opposite direction to a normal feedback loop. Negative feedback generally promotes stability and reduces the effects of perturbations. It helps regulate health by ensuring that a reaction is appropriate and that the systems of the body are in a constant state of equilibrium, also known as homeostasis.
Those of us with enough callouses, who have shoveled enough poop, and processed enough animal carcases, are never going to romanticize the use of force.
But, the pampered, sated, cooped-up, and overly-clean become morbid and sadistic.
I think, there is a built-in form of population control.
Guns are not to protect against guns, but to protect against the decadent and criminally insane.
For utilitarian purposes, it is no better or worse than any other tool for dirty work. Anyone who handles these problems will tell you it is dirty. The weaklings reading have nothing to be jealous of, except for missing out on a part of your natural existence that keeps you anchored and sane -- a dirty fact of life, the physical consequences.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: durian_2008]
#28370371 - 06/22/23 04:12 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler,_Lord_Woodhouselee
The 'fatal sequence' does not occur in a state of desperation, as stated in the social justice narratives, but from apathy and relative comfort.
When all of the rats are comfortably well fed.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: Grungeman17]
#28370707 - 06/22/23 09:51 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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durian_2008 said:
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A reverse feedback loop is a process in which the output of a system is fed back into the system in a way that influences the system's behavior, but in the opposite direction to a normal feedback loop. Negative feedback generally promotes stability and reduces the effects of perturbations. It helps regulate health by ensuring that a reaction is appropriate and that the systems of the body are in a constant state of equilibrium, also known as homeostasis.
i'm not sure how well biology principals translate into sociology. it sounds like you think some people need to die to make society healthy.
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For utilitarian purposes, it is no better or worse than any other tool for dirty work. Anyone who handles these problems will tell you it is dirty. The weaklings reading have nothing to be jealous of, except for missing out on a part of your natural existence that keeps you anchored and sane -- a dirty fact of life, the physical consequences.
by "dirty work" i assume you mean tools for killing. the modern firearm is much worse than the tools popular for "dirty work" that came before. the softest most out of shape person becomes lethal with a firearm.
The next part is kind of weird. Are you saying that murder keeps you anchored and sane?
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durian_2008 said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler,_Lord_Woodhouselee
The 'fatal sequence' does not occur in a state of desperation, as stated in the social justice narratives, but from apathy and relative comfort.
When all of the rats are comfortably well fed.
people aren't rats. calhoun did not identify all of the variables and control for them in this experiment. it is not a parallel of our situation.
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Grungeman17 said: If thy don't have rights or access, they sure as shit arn't going to support yours...get ebough people here chiming and all of a sudden it becomes cool to blast gun owners or state them as "The problem"
you made this up.
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Grungeman17 said: I absolutely love the comment about victims waiting around for someone with a gun to show up. Its litterally what happens in the most cause and effect sense. Lol gun free, is for anyone that follows "rules" those who don't are basically given a monopoly on violence for the guven period of time before someone else is able to show up and neutralize the condition l, likely by firearm..
the fact that you think some aspect of this story is pleasurable is kind of strange. i don't think you have a good understanding of cause and effect. consider your comment from earlier:
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Grungeman17 said: ..get ebough people here chiming and all of a sudden it becomes cool to blast gun owners or state them as "The problem"
that's not very insightful
as for the rest, wouldn't need to neutralize the condition if people didn't have access to guns.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: GenericHero]
#28371105 - 06/23/23 08:55 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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No one needs to lift a finger against any living soul. You could accelerate the process by giving them anything they want.
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Re: JBLM soldier accused of deadly Gorge campground shooting was high on mushrooms, prosecutors say [Re: durian_2008]
#28371114 - 06/23/23 09:07 AM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Take the news story at face value. You can count all the responsibilities, that someone couldn't handle.
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