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    #28343237 - 06/01/23 03:22 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

This thread is for anything etymology related! Over the past year or so I really had developed a fascination with finding out the origins of last names and first names , and that had ultimately led to word etymology across the board!

If you would like to share any cool tidbits of etymology please share! Any language is fine!

I'll share the one I learned today, what had lead me to it was I've been learning Spanish recently and I saw on a spray paint can the word , contiene ( I've been randomly trying to read Spanish on products that have translations)

Which tiene/tienes in Spanish is has/have , con is with , with-having :nerd: it's obvious our word contains and contiene have a Latin origin and thusly

contain (v.)
c. 1300, "restrain (someone), control (oneself), behave (in a certain way)," from Old French contein-, tonic stem of contenir, from Latin continere (transitive) "to hold together, enclose," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + tenere "to hold" (from PIE root *ten- "to stretch").

I will add some more etymology later! I've got many in mind that I've already discovered that I think are worth adding

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54. The true nature of things is to be known personally , through the eyes of clear illumination and not through a sage : what the moon exactly is , is to be known with one's own eyes ; can another make him know it?


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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos] * 2
    #28343360 - 06/01/23 05:09 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

Of course etymology must again be included. I'm looking at them more often from when you guys started mentioning it.

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etymology of etymology
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The word "etymology" is derived from the Greek term "etymologia," which combines two Greek roots: "etymon" (meaning "true sense" or "original meaning") and "logia" (meaning "study" or "discourse").

In Greek, "etymologia" referred to the study of the true or original meanings of words. It involved analyzing the roots, components, and historical development of words to understand their inherent meanings and linguistic connections.

The Greek root "etymon" can be further traced back to the Greek verb "etymos," which means "true" or "real." The concept of etymology revolves around uncovering the true or genuine origins and meanings of words.

Over time, the term "etymology" entered the English language and came to signify the study of the historical development, origins, and changes in word meanings and forms. It encompasses the investigation of linguistic evolution, word derivations, borrowings, and semantic shifts.

The etymology of "etymology" itself reflects the fundamental nature of the field, which is concerned with tracing the true sense and historical roots of words.




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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28343845 - 06/01/23 11:17 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

You might find John Allegro's work interesting if you haven't checked it out already.:thumbup:


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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos] * 3
    #28344119 - 06/02/23 08:11 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

This book is never far from reach, it can be super enjoyable to flip through and read. Coffee stains and all



I thought forage and foray were kinda funny, if any of y’all want to see a specific word I can take a pic for you :toast:


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Re: Etymology [Re: Hertz] * 2
    #28344506 - 06/02/23 01:50 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

The etymology of etymology :awemazing:

That John allegro story is quite interesting, seems he isn't considered an "scholar" or "academic" after his book :strokebeard:  he has an interesting theory though

Thanks for joining hertz! Gnarly etymology book :awehigh: please share some of your favorites!

I will share a few here

Who loves to paint on a

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canvas (n.)
"sturdy cloth made from hemp or flax," mid-14c., from Anglo-French canevaz, Old North French canevach, Old French chanevaz "canvas," literally "made of hemp, hempen," noun use of Vulgar Latin adjective *cannapaceus "made of hemp," from Latin cannabis, from Greek kannabis "hemp," a Scythian or Thracian word (see cannabis).




:awehigh::potleaf:

I work with automated robotic machines and a coworker told me this one that he knew! (He's definitely a "bookworm" so to speak)


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robot (n.) 1923, "mechanical person," also "person whose work or activities are entirely mechanical," from the English translation of the 1920 play "R.U.R." ("Rossum's Universal Robots") by Karel Capek (1890-1938), from Czech robotnik "forced worker," from robota "forced labor, compulsory service, drudgery," from robotiti "to work, drudge," from an Old Czech source akin to Old Church Slavonic rabota "servitude," from rabu "slave" (from Old Slavic *orbu-, from PIE *orbh- "pass from one status to another;" see orphan).




Now for some spiritual related textbook etymology!

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The Sanskrit term Upaniṣad originally meant “connection” or “equivalence,[27] but came to be understood as "sitting near a teacher,"[27] from upa "by" and ni-ṣad "sit down",[28] "sitting down near", referring to the student sitting down near the teacher while receiving spiritual knowledge.(Gurumukh)[29] Other dictionary meanings include "esoteric doctrine" and "secret doctrine". Monier-Williams' Sanskrit Dictionary notes – "According to native authorities, Upanishad means setting to rest ignorance by revealing the knowledge of the supreme spirit."[30]




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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28344512 - 06/02/23 01:55 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

Wow very interesting on the forage and foray

According to ancestry I have some ~40% Scottish ancestry

So if I'm reading that correctly,  it was raids or expeditions as in pillaging others land and produce etc . :mindblown:


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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #28344896 - 06/02/23 07:45 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

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connectedcosmos said:

According to ancestry I have some ~40% Scottish ancestry

So if I'm reading that correctly,  it was raids or expeditions as in pillaging others land and produce etc . :mindblown:




I think so, but I just noticed the fodder reference and “fodder” happens to be on the left page of the pic, some shit about food for cattle. Flip it around, maybe the cattle shit mushrooms for us, food. Stoopid I know but what can I say

Clearly it says “pillage” and “raid” though.

About 8 years ago I bought a shit ton of dictionaries on eBay, I was doing a lot of contracts back then, so I have a bunch of legal and banking dictionaries, which come in handy for damn sure. Along with other dictionaries, I became a little obsessed. I started buying older ones from 1800’s. at some point I got sick of it all. Etymology is always interesting though. The original intent of “words”

Maybe the letter “J” was and always has been the joker. It wasn’t invented until the 16th century, I think, and religious people think the name Jesus is sacred, maybe it’s just a joke lol :shrug:


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Re: Etymology [Re: Hertz] * 2
    #28345492 - 06/03/23 09:24 AM (7 months, 21 days ago)

"Mysticism" is derived from the Greek μύω, meaning "I conceal",[web 2] and its derivative μυστικός, mystikos, meaning 'an initiate'. The verb μύω has received a quite different meaning in the Greek language, where it is still in use. The primary meanings it has are "induct" and "initiate". Secondary meanings include "introduce", "make someone aware of something", "train", "familiarize", "give first experience of something

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon, the term μυστήριον in classical Greek meant "a hidden thing", "secret".
(Wikipedia)

I was just looking into etymology literally yesterday for the first time in the long-time.

In any event, I logged on to make another post about "WHY IS THIS IS SO SECRETIVE?", but it's literally in the word "Mysticism".

Doesn't change the fact that I think people are hiding the truth under the rug about this thing.


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Re: Etymology [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28345537 - 06/03/23 10:17 AM (7 months, 21 days ago)

Nice! Interesting :takingnotes:

It's contradictory in a way and I like that , conceal being contradictory to the make someone aware or introduce

So to keep secret or to spread this beautiful knowledge? I've come to the liking of the term "finding breadcrumbs" of the divine nature of the cosmos I think that's a good way to put it , we are all in this together no matter what we know think or believe , yet we can all find these little breadcrumbs left throughout all the ancient books and philosophical knowledge to lead us back home to the source




Okay now to share some etymology
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Nectar is derived from Greek νεκταρ, the fabled drink of eternal life. Some derive the word from νε- or νη- "not" plus κτα- or κτεν- "kill", meaning "unkillable", thus "immortal". The common use of the word "nectar" to refer to the "sweet liquid in flowers", is first recorded in AD 1600.




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Etymology. Amrita is composed of the negative prefix, अ a from Sanskrit meaning 'not', and mṛtyu meaning 'death' in Sanskrit, thus meaning 'not death' or 'immortal/deathless'. The concept of an immortality drink is attested in at least two ancient Indo-European languages: Ancient Greek and Sanskrit.




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    #28345727 - 06/03/23 12:33 PM (7 months, 21 days ago)

That reminded of the Mrityunjaya mantra; jaya, being victory, over death, mrityu, a widely used mahamantra to Shiva, for healing, liberation, etc.

"Doesn't change the fact that I think people are hiding the truth under the rug about this thing."

I was almost making a post in the spiritual amnesia thread today considering the hiding influences within, the dynamics of forgetfulness, not to forget they are also without, if there is a difference.

Reminded of the quote, "What is this social base of perception, don Juan?"
"The physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects. I call this a social base
because a serious and fierce effort is put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the
world the way we do."


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    #28348926 - 06/05/23 10:04 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

What is the root of the word cannabis?


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Re: Etymology [Re: BrendanFlock] * 2
    #28349054 - 06/06/23 01:21 AM (7 months, 19 days ago)

1798, "common hemp," from Cannabis, Modern Latin plant genus named (1728), from Greek kannabis "hemp," a Scythian or Thracian word. That word is also source of Armenian kanap', Albanian kanep, Russian konoplja, Persian kanab, Lithuanian kanapės "hemp," and English canvas and possibly hemp. In reference to use of the plant parts as an intoxicant, from 1848. Related: Cannabic.
also from 1798

Old English hænep "hemp, cannabis sativa," from Proto-Germanic *hanapiz (source also of Old Saxon hanap, Old Norse hampr, Old High German hanaf, German Hanf), probably a very early Germanic borrowing of the same Scythian word that became Greek kannabis (see cannabis). As the name of the fiber made from the plant, by c. 1300. Slang sense of "marijuana" dates from 1940s; scientific applications for the narcotic derived from hemp date to 1870.


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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos] * 1
    #28349549 - 06/06/23 12:59 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

Greek

Old English Grēcas ‘the Greeks’, from Latin Graeci, the name given by the Romans to the people who called themselves the Hellenes, from Greek Graikoi, which according to Aristotle was the prehistoric name of the Hellenes.

I kinda wanna learn old anglisch it would be kinda kewl :mitebecool:


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    #28349598 - 06/06/23 01:34 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

þæt gehyrdþ wel lystig!

(totally cheated with AI)


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    #28349602 - 06/06/23 01:36 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

What does it say :wtfsonic::awemazing:

That could be fun?

I do know the þ(thorn) is pronounced "th" as in there or through or thorn:lol:

Funny Google translate detects Icelandic but doesn't translate it at all


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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos] * 1
    #28349639 - 06/06/23 02:01 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

'That could be fun?' yeah, I thought lol. I have no idea what AI is doing here.

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"That is heard well brings joy and delight. Liveliness has the power to hold and accompany good thoughts, and it brings mirth to the soul. When one hears a clear sound, the mind is filled with happiness and appreciation. However, when something is heard well, it should also be protected and remembered for its craftsmanship and musicality, so that the work does not perish but continues to bring joy and harmonious song. Hearing is a good thing, but thought, understanding, and goodwill cannot be contained by it alone; they must follow if one desires or requires them or wishes to discern. Thus, one should share that which is heard with those in need, and lead liveliness in communal creation, so that good hearing may be well nurtured and heard."





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þæt gehyrdþ wel lystig
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Þæt gehyrdþ wel lystig, þonne is gódum geþance and gelimpan. Lystignes hæfð anweald tó gehealdenne heortan and geferan, and þæt cennþ gleow on sefan. Þonne man gehyrþ þæt geholene sweg, þonne swengeþ þæt mód mid blisse and geþance. Ac þæt gehyrdþ wel, þonne sceal man þæt eac bewarian and gemunan þæs timbres and þæs sangcraeftes, þæt þæt geweorc ne losige, ac forþbringe lystum and sange gleawlice and smeðe. Gehyrdnes is gód ðing, ac geþanc and gewitnes and gódes willan ne mæg þæt ánhaga healdean, ac sceal him fylgan, gif hé þæt lyst and lufaþ, oþþe forðon þe hé hit behófaþ oþþe gesceadwisaþ. Þus cweþende, man sceal þæt gehyrd þearfum dælan, and lystignesse lædan on gesiþcundre gesceapenunge, þæt gehyrdnes wel geboren and gehýred weorþe.
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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos] * 1
    #28349666 - 06/06/23 02:23 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

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Inglis of Old: Request


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Can you speak in old English?

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Of course! I can certainly try my best to emulate Old English for you. However, please keep in mind that my knowledge is based on modern English, so my imitation may not be completely accurate. Nevertheless, I shall endeavor to assist you in a manner befitting the archaic tongue. Pray, how may I be of service?





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How do you say , why is the world here at all

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Verily, the question thou dost pose is one of profound nature. In the ancient tongue of Old English, one might express thy query thusly:

"Forþon hwi is þes werold hér ealra þinga?"

Mayhaps this rendition captures the essence of thy inquiry. Pray, let me know if there is aught else I may aid thee with.


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Can you tell me how to pronounce that ?

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Certainly! Here is a guide to pronouncing the Old English phrase:

"Forþon hwi is þes werold hér ealra þinga?"

"Forþon" is pronounced as "for-thon" with a soft "th" sound like in "thin."
"hwi" is pronounced as "hwee" with a long "ee" sound.
"is" is pronounced as "ees" with a long "ee" sound.
"þes" is pronounced as "thes" with a soft "th" sound.
"werold" is pronounced as "weh-rold" with a short "eh" sound.
"hér" is pronounced as "hayer" with a long "ay" sound.
"ealra" is pronounced as "eh-al-ra" with a short "eh" sound.
"þinga" is pronounced as "thing-ga" with a hard "g" sound.
Please note that this is a rough approximation based on modern English pronunciation conventions, as the original pronunciation of Old English may have varied.





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Re: Etymology [Re: connectedcosmos] * 1
    #28365198 - 06/19/23 08:09 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

I know there are jucier ones out there- I'll try and get a good one soon!

'Apport'(noun)

1.The supposed paranormal transference of an object from one place to another, or the appearance of an object from an unknown source, often associated with poltergeist activity and séances.
2.An object that appears from an unknown source.

So the etymology of apport comes from the Latin- Apportō(verb)
1."to bring/ to carry"
which is cool because, to me, it suggests the 'apport item' in question being manually carried by a spirit/ghoul like some sort of spooky Postman.

The coordinate term "Asport" derived from the Latin Asportō  also ends up meaning "to take off/ carry away."
This inverse is all too familiar to anyone who has had guitar picks be spirited off to that big pick farm I hear they all end up at.

I then seen the webpage read "Alternative forms: asportate (considered a mistake)" and was thinking how "Considered a mistake" is a cool etymology in the way it suggest objects simply appearing in a place in some multiverse-timeline-mixup based secenario and was FULLY gonna milk that as the sort of big reveal of this post (:lol:) before realising the WORD itself was the mistake...:blush:

Sweet thread, cosmos :rockon:


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    #28366591 - 06/20/23 03:59 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

weird
/wird/
Origin
Old English wyrd ‘destiny’, of Germanic origin. The adjective (late Middle English) originally meant ‘having the power to control destiny’, and was used especially in the Weird Sisters, originally referring to the Fates, later the witches in Shakespeare's Macbeth ; the latter use gave rise to the sense ‘unearthly’ (early 19th century).


jinx
/jiNGks/
Origin

early 20th century (originally US): probably a variant of jynx ‘wryneck’ (because the bird was used in witchcraft).


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    #28368191 - 06/21/23 05:16 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

That's weird.

Solstice, today! :crankey:

'The term "solstice" has its roots in Latin. It is derived from two Latin words: "sol" meaning "sun" and "sistere" meaning "to stand still." When combined, "solstice" literally translates to "sun stands still."'
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