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A question of (bad) timingโฆ
#28365012 - 06/19/23 03:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Need opinions from the hive mind please ๐๐ป
Absolute beginner here, so my sense of timing etc is not yet developed. I started these a while ago and didnโt realise Iโd be at this stage right when I was getting married/going away on honeymoon. Looking for advice.
I have spawn on CVG bulk substrate (from grain spawn). One is 2 weeks old (GTs), two are 1 week old (CBs), and one about to be put to bulk substrate. The ones already on bulk are showing clear signs of colonising the substrate.
I am going away in two weeks time, away for 11 days (back 15th July). Timing sucks but I gotta just roll with it somehow.
Iโm guessing some of these will be ready to move to fruiting stage before I go. My question is, would I be better leaving them in the dark on bulk, or setting them to fruit while Iโm away and hoping for the best. If I leave them as they are, the oldest would be 4.5 weeks on bulk when I go away, the next would be 3.5 weeks on bulk.
Iโm not worried about the one just about to be put onto bulk as it will be at the right stage to leave alone in the dark.
I would be very grateful for advice.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen] 4
#28365022 - 06/19/23 03:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Darkness wouldnยดt help as mycelium colonizes and also fruits quite well there. With a bit of luck the now 2 weeks old could give a flush when you leave. A colder place will help a bit to slow things down. The worst that could happen is a tub fully blown up with spores, which may be ugly but not bad at all. You have to bite a bullet at least 
Btw we moved away from colonizing in darkness, and therefore separating from fruiting mode. We set up our tubs and let them fruit when they want to. Just surface moisture we care for.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen] 1
#28365029 - 06/19/23 03:45 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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hi!! welcome to the shroomery!!
just first off, you don't need to keep tubs in the dark at all. light is generally beneficial at all stages of colonization. most people here also don't distinguish between colonizing & fruiting conditions, if your tubs are dialed in you can fruit from spawn. at most, i'll leave some micropore tape over the holes until the tub starts showing surface conditions, then go from there
what are temperatures like in your house? that would be a huge factor in the speed of things
generally, by 2 weeks i'd want a tub to be pretty close to 100%. if your tubs are close to being fully colonized, then i think two weeks should be enough time to squeak out a flush depending on temps & conditions being optimal
i would personally wait to spawn the grain you have waiting until about a week or so before you leave, just to avoid possibly having fruits sporulate all over your tub while you're gone
edit: lol goat beat me to it, but yeah. pretty much that
are these tubs spawned from the jars you posted here? if so, they are most definitely bacterial, which can make things move a bit slower. you can get decent yields off bacterial spawn, but there is also a high chance for contamination to move in. that's definitely another variable in the timeline of getting fruits
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: hazyhorse]
#28365043 - 06/19/23 04:14 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, it's those tubs. I have no idea what bacterial looks like as it's the first time I've done this - what are you seeing? It would be helpful to know. They smelled mushroomy though, not sweet or off, so I went with it.
They're currently in the dark at 25C/77F. If I take them out and leave them in the room in normal daylight, the temp would be 21C/70F.
The tub in the previous post that wasn't fully colonised, now is 100% white and that is the one that I was going to put to bulk substrate very soon, in it's own tub as I was advised in the previous post not to mix them in case something was wrong with one of them.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen] 4
#28365059 - 06/19/23 04:56 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The creamy look of the mycelium, grains pressed uncolonized to the jar, overly condensation, Thatยดs things you can call bacterial. Not worldยดs downfall, but something to take into consideration when talking about the method of fruiting them. Have a look here.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: Goatrider]
#28365082 - 06/19/23 05:25 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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It would be overly optimistic of me to expect to get it all right the first attempt, but I'm pleased it's not been a total disaster so far. I shall keep going with it and see what happens. There is much to learn and this is the best way to go about it.
So have I understood the original answer correctly? I should take this out of the warm and dark, and leave them in the normal room temp and let them do what they will? And if so, should I mist the tops if they look dry? I did mist when I put them to bulk substrate but not since.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen] 1
#28365413 - 06/19/23 11:33 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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hands on experience is definitely the way to learn!
yep, you understood all that right. you want your surface to look like this at all times after 100%.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen] 1
#28365692 - 06/19/23 02:37 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Welcome, as well as the good advice you've already had, I would add that if the substrate field capacity is more or less right, and air is dialed in, often there is no need to mist at all until around the time of your first harvest. Never fan. If you do need to mist, don't mist the tub walls or lids, but from well above the substrate.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: johnukguy]
#28365730 - 06/19/23 02:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Two week since mixed GT spawn in plain coco coir substrate - pic from side of container

One week since mixed CB spawn in CVG substrate (light was fading hence bluish tinge) Thatโs the surface of the casing layer, with droplets.

Same one (CB) surface in normal incandescent light

I have clearer images but they exceed the file size so Iโve had to shrink them. Hope theyโre clear enough to see whatโs relevant.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen]
#28365744 - 06/19/23 03:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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looks decent so far! just keep those surface conditions & let it do its thing!
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen]
#28365746 - 06/19/23 03:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Can you take some pics from further out, so that we can see a bit more of the substrate surface? Other than that, it looks okay to me so far.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: johnukguy] 1
#28365756 - 06/19/23 03:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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One week mixed into CVG with casing layer - surface
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen]
#28365765 - 06/19/23 03:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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That looks pretty good to me. Unless anything changes, then it's just a matter of patience now. The one thing that might be an issue is temperature, since I think the UK has been going through a bit of a heatwave recently? As long as your indoor temp is below 80 F, then it should be fine.
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#28365774 - 06/19/23 03:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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johnukguy said: That looks pretty good to me. Unless anything changes, then it's just a matter of patience now. The one thing that might be an issue is temperature, since I think the UK has been going through a bit of a heatwave recently? As long as your indoor temp is below 80 F, then it should be fine.
Well below 80 indoors (see my post above for temps)Theyโre in a north facing room too so they will now have light but no direct light. Iโve left them where they were but just opened the door so theyโll get ordinary daylight, but lower temps than when the door is shut. Theyโre next to the boiler which gives off a gentle heat.
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#28366330 - 06/19/23 09:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Now it's patience Tek.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: johnukguy]
#28366529 - 06/20/23 01:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Patience I've got... in fact, I'm hoping the tubs have a bit of patience as I'd like them to wait until I can get back and deal with them!
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen]
#28366538 - 06/20/23 02:02 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Many users and TC's have had great success and potency increase leaving their tubs in colonization, just giving it gas exchange for 4-6 weeks before fruiting, that could be an option for you possibly
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: Tri]
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that thread & the results there are super cool for sure. but personally iโd be wary of it in this case just bc the spawn they used looked pretty bacterial & idk that introducing a more anaerobic environment would necessarily be the best for it
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Mm super good point, I guess if its bacterial its probable it flush fast anyhow, good luck OP and congrats on tying the knot
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: Tri]
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Very helpful reading your discussions about this. Thank you. 
The older tub with the GTs in doesnโt have the water droplets like the two bigger, younger tubs do. Should I risk opening it to mist it? I read the note above about misting from high up and letting it settle like dew. I have a flairisol sprayer. Really fine mist.
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i use a hair dresser sprayer & it's super fine. you don't have to be as gentle with those, i get pretty close sometimes. you just don't wanna blast it with huge drops of water like normal chemical sprayers tend to
you can totally open the tub to mist! it's not gonna cause contamination or anything. spawning is a dirty process & once you spawn it's in the hands of the mushroom gods.
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen] 2
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A tub doesn't usually get contaminated from being opened up. We grow effectively in open air. Most of the time, when a tub does contaminate, it's because the spawn was already compromised. So you're fine opening the tub lid, which shouldn't be airtight anyway, to mist. Though, again, if air and substrate field capacity are dialed in, there is often no need to mist at all until around the time of your first harvest.
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Yeah if there's no beading on the mycelium go ahead and give it a little mist
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: johnukguy]
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johnukguy said: A tub doesn't usually get contaminated from being opened up. We grow effectively in open air. Most of the time, when a tub does contaminate, it's because the spawn was already compromised. So you're fine opening the tub lid, which shouldn't be airtight anyway, to mist. Though, again, if air and substrate field capacity are dialed in, there is often no need to mist at all until around the time of your first harvest.
This tub is from a kit I bought. It has two green filter/vent things on the lid, so I'm guessing not entirely airtight?
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Re: A question of (bad) timingโฆ [Re: RedQueen]
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Pics please your Highness.
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I hope they're not touching the substrate (my eyesight ain't so good at the moment), but yes, so long as they have some holes there should be air. Though I'm wondering if it's enough, but I think you'll know if you need more air soon enough. Have a free laugh.
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johnukguy said: I hope they're not touching the substrate (my eyesight ain't so good at the moment), but yes, so long as they have some holes there should be air. Though I'm wondering if it's enough, but I think you'll know if you need more air soon enough. Have a free laugh.

Theyโre not touching. The next stage for this kit is to take the block of coir/myc and put into a kind of bag for fruiting. Iโll probably do that before I go away.
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The filter strips are just for a little gas exchange during colonization. If you plan to place it in the bag and go away for a while, iยดd strongly recommend to poke a few holes to the bag, as the filter patches on the bag wonยดt provide enough air exchange for fruiting. You may have a look here, and look there for the grid pattern of the holes in the bag. After placing in the bag, you can easily go away for at least 2 weeks 
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