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My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something?
#28364681 - 06/18/23 07:38 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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This is day 1

Day 5

Can you see a problem with it ? I think the ratio was 1:2 to 1:3 I'm thinking maybe I didn't mixed well enough the substrate with the spawn and that is why is not spreading, can I use gloves and mix it now or is too late ?
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28364704 - 06/18/23 07:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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looks like its going. Dunno what your ratio is of, and what you're using. I'm guessing rye on pasteurized manure? You can mix it again. I probably wouldn't. That will break it and shock it, but if it doesn't contaminate it will recover. That is a very high ratio of spawn. The idea is that grain much more easily contaminates, and you actually want the millet or rye to be consumed rather quickly. Its purpose is not really as a fruiting medium, though it can be. Its only been 5 days and the mycelium is recovering and growing. If it is manure and there is any amonia left, that will slow it down. Clean air exchange will help it grow faster.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: Shaw]
#28364712 - 06/18/23 08:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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My ratio is max 1:3 , is popcorn with coco coir, it has a layer of coco coir on top. The temps are 75-78f
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh] 1
#28364756 - 06/18/23 08:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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There's not really any reason to mix up a tub after it's spawned.
It's a bit hard to see from that angle, but that does seem slow. Might not have been the healthiest when it was mixed in. How did you prepare your spawn?
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: MethodicalMystical]
#28364766 - 06/18/23 09:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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it's mckennaii, it was white with no signs of contam and smelled like mushrooms. I microwaved the coco coir for 15' and let it cool for 4hs, could that have been an issue ?
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28364781 - 06/18/23 09:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'm asking about the popcorn. How did you prep, sterilize, and inoculate it? Not all contams cause color changes or strange smells, and mistakes at any of those steps could introduce them to your grain.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: MethodicalMystical]
#28364795 - 06/18/23 09:32 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I'd expect a little more visible growth as well but at this point all you can do is just wait it out
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: Dave Bowman]
#28364799 - 06/18/23 09:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I brought it colonized
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh] 1
#28364806 - 06/18/23 09:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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You got a jar of colonized popcorn from someone else? If you don't know how they prepared it, that leaves a lot of unknown variables that could impact the grow. Using spore syringes on grain, not having a proper pressure cooker to sterilize (or using it incorrectly) and poor inoculating technique are all possible points of failure.
As for your current tub, Dave is right. All you can do is wait it out at this point.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28364964 - 06/19/23 12:58 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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datahigh said: I brought it colonized
Where did you purchase it from? Were they a reputable supplier?
The best thing you can do here, is remain patient, as it colonises.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: somogyi]
#28365986 - 06/19/23 05:59 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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It wasn't a random person, they had quite an amount and of different kinds, but they are local plp not widely know, i don't think it was a problem with the spawn maybe I used way to much substrate
I think is picking up, i hope it can give at least one boi
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28367330 - 06/20/23 02:42 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I opened up and it smelled SWEET but not really a nice pleasant sweet
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When I did the bulk the spawn smelled like mushrooms, the smell was okay, this doesn't smell like that, it's very different, so I guess the slow colonization is due to bacteria ?
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh] 1
#28367338 - 06/20/23 02:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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The sweet smell would definitely be indicative of combination.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28367363 - 06/20/23 03:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I guess I'll buy another colonized jar and try again
What could I have done wrong and change next time ? This is what I did:
- Coco coir was brought already hidratated, it was in a black bag with a hole, i brought it from a reputable place which sells all kinds of stuff for bonsai
- Microwaved the coco for 15' and let it rest for 4 hours
- Mix 1:2 to 1:3 (didn't measured exactly) with the spawn
- The spawn was brought colonized but to people who work with this stuff. Also the jar smelled like mushrooms and had no signs of contam
- All the stuff I used was washed and sprayed well with alcohol 70%
- I did it in the bathroom after showering and desinfecting
- The shoebox had no holes, just a closed box quite tight.
- Temps around 75-85f
Things i plan to change for next time:
- Pasteurize the coco for 24hs (the most common method)
- Have the shoebox with holes with microphore from day 1
- Use a 1:1 proportion
Still buy the colonized jar because I don't have a PC and takes a 2-4 weeks to make them from 0
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh] 1
#28367367 - 06/20/23 03:02 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Buy a dry brick of coco. Stop buying colonized jars unless you plan on putting it to agar to clean them up.
Post a photo of the jars and we’ll tell you if they’re good or not.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: Screwup]
#28367394 - 06/20/23 03:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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This is the jar I used, looked and smelled alright




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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28367402 - 06/20/23 03:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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IMO you got some level of contamination in there. Regardless don’t buy pre moistened coir. Buy dry bricks. That is another avenue of contamination.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: Screwup]
#28367405 - 06/20/23 03:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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You mean the jar looks contaminated ?
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28367411 - 06/20/23 03:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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datahigh said: You mean the jar looks contaminated ?
Yeah on some level IMO some of those grains have small uncolonized spots, which albeit are also pressed against the glass but some have a weird look on top of them not being colonized. There is a slightly wet or slimy look to some of it I think.
Someone else may be able to confirm that.
On another note again don’t microwave coir. If you’re gonna cook it you want to pasteurize it to kill off as much bad as you can but leave beneficial.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28367470 - 06/20/23 04:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like some bacterial corn (?) jar
not SUPER ULTRA MEGA SHABBY
more like....meeeh.
that said I've seen many such jars make it
Inspect your surface in detail and look for other growths apart from mycelium, but dont hang over the surface, and only handle your substrates when you are shower-clean, gloves, mask, hair cover and beard-cover and full hazmat suit with your throat tightly pulled shut.
Shave your beard and your hair completely bald.
then take on another set of gloves, and wet them in 70% isopropanol
Gloves and mask will be okay this one time only
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#28367474 - 06/20/23 04:15 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Legit can’t tell if you’re trolling or not but OP none of that is necessary lmao.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: Screwup]
#28367477 - 06/20/23 04:20 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Screwup said: Buy a dry brick of coco. Stop buying colonized jars unless you plan on putting it to agar to clean them up.
Post a photo of the jars and we’ll tell you if they’re good or not.

In general, don't buy premade anything. There's nothing about cultivation that's hard, or more expensive to do yourself (in places such as the US), apart from a flow hood maybe. All you need is coir and a little verm if you want, for substrate. For spawn - the cheapest grain you can find, and a couple of totes - a larger one for a still air box. If you're not doing only PF Tek, then some agar powder, potato flakes, honey or light malt extract, for the agar. It's all simple, fairly cheap stuff to get hold of, and if you pay attention to your process, you have less to worry about than when buying anything premade.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: Screwup]
#28367484 - 06/20/23 04:26 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Not before he buys a HEPA filtered clean room and maybe a change room entry for it
no. But it would help in terms of not contaminating your substrates.
If you had seen the amount of edible particles that covers most of our skin and clothes you would realize they could contaminate a dried out, bacterial, uncolonized or otherwise weakened piece of the substrate easily.
Yes people here handle their substrates bare handed or filthy all the time, doesn't mean its the correct way to handle a substrate in terms of cleanliness and prolonging the life/health.
Your nails could disadvertendly make a slice in the substrate allowing bacteria or mold spores from the sleeves of your arms to fester 2-3 days later or make already present microorganisms turn mycelial damage to contamination
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#28367521 - 06/20/23 04:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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We literally grow in open air, which is full of bacteria and mold spores. If the spawn is clean and the substrate is properly prepped, you could spit on it and it won't contaminate from that. Sterile technique is over with once we spawn to bulk. The majority of contamination is due to already compromised spawn, not because someone failed to shave their head and touches the substrate without gloves.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: johnukguy]
#28367530 - 06/20/23 04:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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All it takes is one bad harvest of a fruit, damage opening up, and some bad microorganism guys from uncle timmy's dirty jeans and it might be the difference between getting a 2-3 or 3 to 4th flush
The difference between having to remove the sub Getting invisible (or visible, YUCK!) mold on your fruits
handle yo substrates clean and dont damage em
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That's not how it works lol. Again, we literally grow in open air, which is full of contaminants and there is no need for sterile procedure once someone's spawned to bulk. It's a waste of time and effort.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: johnukguy]
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You guys be filthy and harm your subs all you want then
its not good practise
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If your theory were remotely true, then substrate would be contaminated within days. Do you genuinely not know that the air we grow in, the normal air all around us, is already full of contaminants and that they're not somehow magically kept from contact with the substrate? You have to be trolling.
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: johnukguy]
#28367685 - 06/20/23 07:10 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Is it really lost tho? Can the mycelium win the battle, i don't see anything weird on the surface. If shrooms come out of this will i die if I eat them ?
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Re: My bulk is colonizing way to slow, can i do something? [Re: datahigh]
#28367770 - 06/20/23 08:21 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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It's not over until it's over, so don't give up on the tub just yet. Make sure it's not getting too much air, but constant, slight, passive air. If it's really dry, give it a slight misting now and then but don't go crazy on the misting. Give it another week or so. Don't fan, or mist the tub walls, or let it get too warm, just room temperature and see if it comes through. If it's contaminated to the point at which you are unlikely to get any fruits, that will most likely become evident pretty soon, in my opinion.
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