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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
    #28366806 - 06/20/23 08:25 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

A couple of people said....Not much of a source there.

Decriminalized means what I said it means.  Anything less is not decriminalized regardless of what the government may call it.  The word doesn't change meaning simply because someone misuses it.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28366826 - 06/20/23 08:37 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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That just illustrates your fundamental lack of understanding of the other terms being used within and around the definition.

Do you understand what the words "crime," "criminal," "legal," and "illegal" mean?  My guess is that you don't and think you do.





weed is decriminalized in denver, so are mushrooms.... atlanta... a few other places.

they are still federal crimes.

your usage is not how it is being used in society. which is kind of like pretending that dictionaries do not get updated with new usage every year....

its also dangerous if people believe somehow if someone says weed is decriminalized here and they think there is no way they can get arrested for it and go blow smoke in an fbi agents face ... or just nearby.

the dictionary term is one thing, the legal position is another.

and somehow the person claiming to be a lawyer once again fumbles it.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
    #28366842 - 06/20/23 08:46 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Just because there are no criminal laws at a state level does not mean it's decriminalized.  Weed is not decriminalized anywhere in the U.S.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28367131 - 06/20/23 12:47 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Just because there are no criminal laws at a state level does not mean it's decriminalized.  Weed is not decriminalized anywhere in the U.S.




and yet governments and lawyers and other officials use these terms, but enlil says nope.

so it must be the case.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
    #28367296 - 06/20/23 02:12 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Because government officials and lawyers are commonly thought of as the pinnacles of honesty


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
    #28367478 - 06/20/23 04:20 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Because government officials and lawyers are commonly thought of as the pinnacles of honesty





when there is a consensus of usage.... language is updated to fit consensus.

those who refuse to go along with everyone else, are known as the village idiot.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
    #28367501 - 06/20/23 04:37 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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This is the exact definition Enlil gave.  I get that posters here find Enlil obtuse, but he could not be any more exacting in this instance if he, as you have done, posted the definition himself.  :shrug:


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Ice9]
    #28367591 - 06/20/23 05:41 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

i specifically said it was the ´definition' but that it was lacking especially in this context.

we dont actually do language by definition, but definitions by consensus. and in california weed is decriminalized.... in denver weed is decriminialized... and no where is it legal or not a crime in any way.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
    #28367654 - 06/20/23 06:44 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

There are overlapping gov't jurisdictions - federal, provincial, municipal in Canada. Your examples describe weed decriminalized at the state level in California and at the municipal level in Denver - but this doesn't remove federal law.

When Enlil says weed isn't decriminalized in the USA, he's technically correct - because despite any state or municipal changes, weed remains illegal federally. That doesn't mean we need to redefine decriminalization - knowing what jurisdictions apply is enough.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28367656 - 06/20/23 06:47 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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There are overlapping gov't jurisdictions - federal, provincial, municipal in Canada. Your examples describe weed decriminalized at the state level in California and at the municipal level in Denver - but this doesn't remove federal law.

When Enlil says weed isn't decriminalized in the USA, he's technically correct - because despite any state or municipal changes, weed remains illegal federally. That doesn't mean we need to redefine decriminalization - knowing what jurisdictions apply is enough.




glad you could recap what i said for me. very good. thats exactly what enlil argued against...

and we use decrim typically to define the lowest of those levels. if it was at the highest level we would say weed is legal.

hence you are correct we dont need to redefine it, that is in fact the usage.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
    #28367677 - 06/20/23 07:05 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Selective reading:burke:


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
    #28367678 - 06/20/23 07:05 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Not at all, it's possible for something to be decriminalized nationally while remaining illegal. Portugal is one example of this - personal possession is still legally prohibited, but violations of this law are not a criminal matter.

I don't think Enlil is making the argument that you think he is. It strikes me as being overly pedantic in stating that partial decriminalization (like at state level) is not decriminalization if criminal penalties still exist - it's also technically true.

If you feel my post was just recapping your own, than I'm not really sure what your disagreement is - do you think we need to redefine decriminalization or not?


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28367682 - 06/20/23 07:09 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Not at all, it's possible for something to be decriminalized nationally while remaining illegal. Portugal is one example of this - personal possession is still legally prohibited, but violations of this law are not a criminal matter.

I don't think Enlil is making the argument that you think he is. It strikes me as being overly pedantic in stating that partial decriminalization (like at state level) is not decriminalization if criminal penalties still exist - it's also technically true.

If you feel my post was just recapping your own, than I'm not really sure what your disagreement is - do you think we need to redefine decriminalization or not?




beyond the point where it could technically be decriminalized nationally and remain illegal (and yer right i missed that), i said all of THAT as well... well done... fuck we coulda just left it at what i said initially.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28367683 - 06/20/23 07:09 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

Decriminalization is a process,  not a result. States can decriminalize their laws, but that only moves the process closer to decriminalized


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
    #28367688 - 06/20/23 07:11 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Decriminalization is a process,  not a result. States can decriminalize their laws, but that only moves the process closer to decriminalized




now EVEN YOU are claiming its less straight forward than you initially stated...you should try being a lawyer.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
    #28367695 - 06/20/23 07:15 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

No... that's just what you're reading.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
    #28367696 - 06/20/23 07:16 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Decriminalization is a process,  not a result. States can decriminalize their laws, but that only moves the process closer to decriminalized



Fair point. I wasn't really paying attention to the -ed vs -ation distinction.


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beyond the point where it could technically be decriminalized nationally and remain illegal (and yer right i missed that), i said all of THAT as well... well done... fuck we coulda just left it at what i said initially.



If we're saying the same things then why do I get the feeling that you disagree with Enlil's definition of decriminalized, while I don't?


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28367698 - 06/20/23 07:18 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Decriminalization is a process,  not a result. States can decriminalize their laws, but that only moves the process closer to decriminalized



Fair point. I wasn't really paying attention to the -ed vs -ation distinction.


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beyond the point where it could technically be decriminalized nationally and remain illegal (and yer right i missed that), i said all of THAT as well... well done... fuck we coulda just left it at what i said initially.



If we're saying the same things then why do I get the feeling that you disagree with Enlil's definition of decriminalized, while I don't?




i specifically said that while it was technically correct it left out a lot of important nuance. and also if taken at face value could help you get arrested.

enlil isnt wrong... just woefully too much in the actual definition and lacking in the functional definition.

kind of like being able to lecture for several hours on the structure of knots, and not being able to actually tie ones shoes.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb] * 1
    #28367751 - 06/20/23 08:10 PM (7 months, 4 days ago)

So what's your solution? What nuance would you add?

The only alternative definition I believe you've offered is your legal vs decriminalized distinction - which, as the Portugal example highlights, is still woefully inadequate. I don't see how adopting your colloquial usage would be better than ensuring people understand the definition as it currently stands.


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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28368004 - 06/21/23 12:35 AM (7 months, 3 days ago)

Weed is de facto legal in california. I can go into a store that pays taxes and purchase weed with near certainty that I will not be arrested during or after the transaction.

What the fuck is the point of this thread???


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