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What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today?
#28364328 - 06/18/23 12:29 PM (7 months, 6 days ago) |
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What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today?
As a traveler who has talked with many people abroad about "decriminalization," I have found that MOST people I have interacted with regarding this term do NOT understand what it means.
What is your definition? No need to be shy or feel like you're about to be criticized by me.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio] 1
#28364366 - 06/18/23 01:01 PM (7 months, 6 days ago) |
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I veiw "Decriminalization" as basically a step below or a couple levels below "legalization" on a restriction curve of market or commodity freedom.
Decriminalization typically incures a wide range of lesser enforcement models in leau of other local policies and politics depending, but can mean "no jail" but confiscation or can mean no jail, no confiscation, no funding for any related investigations up to a given amount. And then amounts...is a whole other bylevel of general Decriminalization which will be different everywhere. It means less than full legal retail opperation or investment but leeway for some criminal penalties where full legalization and taxation and legal vetting process has YET TO occur. When that process does occur it becomes "legalized" open for sale and trade with given licenses.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio] 2
#28364386 - 06/18/23 01:17 PM (7 months, 6 days ago) |
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It's not a complicated term. Decriminalized simply means that the laws against possession of the substance are no longer criminal laws. One cannot go to jail for possession. Possession of weed can be illegal in the same way that not paying your phone bill is illegal.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
#28366059 - 06/19/23 06:30 PM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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i tend to think of it as locally not prosecuted but federally illegal.
typically the feds wont bother to come in where locals have decriminalized.
also usually decriminalized substances wont be sold by major corps... but by individuals. or even bartered or gifted by smaller organizations which is really preferable.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
#28366075 - 06/19/23 06:35 PM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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It is precisely as Enlil stated. Think of it any other way at you own risk.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Ice9]
#28366560 - 06/20/23 02:39 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Ice9 said: It is precisely as Enlil stated. Think of it any other way at you own risk.
what enlil said was at best misleading but at worst just wrong. so why would i follow it.
if your town decriminalizes mushrooms, the state police, and the fbi can still criminally arrest you for it. if we followed what enlil stated that would not be the case.
now generally speaking they do not. but that doesnt mean they wont or cant. so no, what enlil said is less right than what i said and there are likely some level of nuance that i didnt include as well.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: rxb]
#28366724 - 06/20/23 07:21 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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If there is a criminal prohibition to which one is subject, it's not decriminalized. If it's decriminalized, that means there is no criminal law to which you are subject which prohibits the conduct.
You seem to have conflated two unrelated ideas. At any given time, within the U.S., one is subject to multiple levels of law. All of those laws apply. If conduct is criminal at the federal level, it's criminal. Right now, possession of weed is a crime in every portion of the U.S. There is no part of the nation where weed has been decriminalized.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28366729 - 06/20/23 07:25 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Thomas Envisio said: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today?
As a traveler who has talked with many people abroad about "decriminalization," I have found that MOST people I have interacted with regarding this term do NOT understand what it means.
What is your definition? No need to be shy or feel like you're about to be criticized by me.
After reading the posts above, I feel the need to make an important adjustment to my question. There are roughly a couple hundred nations (individuated localities) on the present day Earth. Instead of asking you for your current definition of decriminalization, let me re-phrase this to decriminalization globally and in regard to each nation. I think you'll find that there are multiple definitions and articulations.
Here's one:

This was taken from . . .
https://www.nolo.com/dictionary/decriminalization-term.html
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28366730 - 06/20/23 07:26 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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That is the ONLY definition.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
#28366738 - 06/20/23 07:33 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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In the broad sense of the definition, I agree with you. However, in the strict sense, there are indeed many other definitions out there.
Can more of you out there please add your current understanding of the term?
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28366748 - 06/20/23 07:46 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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I'm sure there are other definitions of every term, but words mean what they mean.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
#28366756 - 06/20/23 07:55 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Well, let me show you a couple of important examples that I've recently had to deal with in a somewhat personal way.
First, let's get into the nation Chile. Chile has de-criminalized marijuana. I recently visited this nation.
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Cannabis is decriminalized in Chile, but that does not mean it is “legal.” If you are caught with cannabis in Chile, expect at minimum, to lose your supply plus get a fine.
- https://www.cannaconnection.com/blog/14783-legal-status-chile
Some of the locals said the exact same thing to me in the English language.
Second Example: If you scroll down to the part called "The Meaning of Decriminalization" here, you'll see even more wiggling.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28366770 - 06/20/23 08:04 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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I don't see how that differs from the definition you posted above.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
#28366771 - 06/20/23 08:05 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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I do.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28366773 - 06/20/23 08:06 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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That just illustrates your fundamental lack of understanding of the other terms being used within and around the definition.
Do you understand what the words "crime," "criminal," "legal," and "illegal" mean? My guess is that you don't and think you do.
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
#28366776 - 06/20/23 08:07 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Such as...?
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28366777 - 06/20/23 08:08 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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1. Crime 2. Criminal 3. Legal 4. Illegal
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
#28366789 - 06/20/23 08:14 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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1. Crime

2. Criminal

3. Legal

4. Illegal

Where are we going with this?
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28366790 - 06/20/23 08:14 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Good question. Can you answer my question?
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Re: What Is YOUR Authentic Definition For "Decriminalized" As Of Today? [Re: Enlil]
#28366803 - 06/20/23 08:23 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Do you understand what the words "crime," "criminal," "legal," and "illegal" mean?
These terms, as well as decriminalized, also have various definitions based on the person and nation/locality. I provided NOLO's law dictionary definitions above to provide one source.
What if we looked up Russia's definitions for these terms? Would we find the identical wording and interpretations for these terms? What about Syria's definition(s) of these terms? Would we still find the identical wording/translation?
I guess the point I've been trying to make this morning is that there are many ways of wording these definitions. There are even more ways to interpret them. You have your interpretation(s), and I have mine. At the end of the day, it is oftentimes up to a cop's interpretation, a judge's interpretation, a jury's interpretation, a criminal's interpretation, a victim's interpretation, etc. This is a dangerous thing for societies. Particularly in regard to psilocybin mushrooms and Cannabis.
I should mention one other thing. While I was in Chile, a couple of people said the police will STILL arrest you if you only have a joint on you, regardless of how they find it. I wouldn't call that decriminalization in the strictest, truest sense of the term. Would you?
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