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Can mycelium reconnect in monotub after separation by grain spawn shaking.
    #28364093 - 06/18/23 06:59 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Thought experiment-

I've been silently lurking around this community for many years, and making my first post now. More of a question that has bothered me since I first started growing but have never found an adequate answer. 

For many teks we break up our grain spawn into bits by shaking etc before inoculating it in a monotub. Now lets assume that the grain spawn (with 50 grains) made from a  single individual inoculant and the shaking has now broken it into 50 different unconnected individuals. This helps us to colonize the monotub faster with 50 individuals. but the resources are also split 50 ways. Would not breaking the grain spawn result in one individual with lots of resources and produce awesome fruits? Does the mycelium recognize it originated from the same individual and reconnect as they fully colonize the monotub back into one individual.

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Re: Can mycelium reconnect in monotub after separation by grain spawn shaking. [Re: buffaloani]
    #28364099 - 06/18/23 07:13 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

if you made the spawn jar with a MSS you have competitive mycelium.
when you shake it, they will all bounce back and continue to compete but its all good mycelium and that wont hurt much. they compete to a degree for resources but they work it out.

if you made it with an isolated peice of mycelium from agar, you probably have a single expression of 2 spores. so they grow together happily and share resources.

if you shot up a jar with 3 or 4 different kinds of mycelium they would compete and overtake each other and cause problems. that most commonly happens with mycological contaminations.

all of the above can still fruit. in the case of contaminated spawn its less likely as the contamination may stress the good mycelium to the point of failture or demise.

in the case of mulitple expressions of different genes of the same species you may get slightly less production as the competition may thwart some of the growth. but more than likely you´d still get a good harvest


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Re: Can mycelium reconnect in monotub after separation by grain spawn shaking. [Re: rxb]
    #28364101 - 06/18/23 07:19 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

monokaryotic mycelium is what happens when a spore grows because it has nutrients, but doesnt find another to mate with.

and these are the most interesting as they can pair up with many different things...

like monokaryotic mycelium of another species... or of the same species... and so what happens if you have a jar of these is they colonize WITHOUT any problem in the jar but would never produce fruit.

unless they pair up... and if you pair them with monokaryotic mycelium from a different species you get a cool hybrid not found in nature.

but they wont always take.


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Re: Can mycelium reconnect in monotub after separation by grain spawn shaking. [Re: buffaloani]
    #28364140 - 06/18/23 08:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

How indepth would you like to go? During inoculation, millions of spores are deposited upon the nutriet. Does their germination cause the formation of millions of seperate colonies?

From what I ascertain, post-inoculation, hypae; independent strand-like microscopic tubules are formed, each combining/joining together to create a denser network of mycelium.

Therefore, seperating these, and then spreading them out, would simply increase the surface area, allowing for faster colonisation of a larger area.

But when they reunify? Well, as justified, they should merge, each strand of hyphae reconecting to form a single dominent cology of mycelium. This can be observed practically. Infact, theres a term for this: anastomosis.

Considering this, it would be suprising if there were an observable difference in yielded fruiting mass based off whether the spawn is broken up, or left whole. One noticable difference may be in the time required to colonise, which may offset any potential benefit in not seperating the spawn.

Regardlessly, it would be interesting if someone attempted to practically asses this matter.

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