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Nerex
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I know it was a late for harvesting, but the mushrooms were growing very differently from each other. Second cultivation ever... just to be "sure", everything's OK with these? They look a bit different from the usual Natalensis picture around.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Nerex]
#28358501 - 06/13/23 01:49 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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Looks good
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Havenโt had nats like this in a looong time.

I dug up an older print, still got some of iso genes in there for sure but Iโm gonna guess f2 or 3.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28358646 - 06/13/23 04:13 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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This things throwing out some wild colors, I think Iโll be tossing and going back to agar with this one
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aPurpleCray0n said: This things throwing out some wild colors, I think Iโll be tossing and going back to agar with this one

Iโve had exactly this many times, I now suspect that the myc is super reactive to any type of bacteria or mold that lands on it. Like with cubes you wouldnโt even know there were mold spores that had landed on the surface cuz they donโt do anything, but the natal myc changes colors and sends metabolites and all that.
I donโt have any concrete evidence but I noticed when I kept my tubs tight with all the air exchange spots filtered I almost never have funky myc. Itโll prob still fruit though, when I had those tubs Iโd wait and if nothing happened flip it over.
Jsut harvested my last tub, the thing filled in nicely overnight.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a] 3
#28359834 - 06/14/23 04:20 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Spawned on 5-23. 1:4 with a quart top layer. Still not doing anything. Got 2 more just like it. Any ideas?
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GingerMyc
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I don't see any moisture on the sides of the bin. Maybe dry? If so try misting and increase fae. Otherwise give it time. Mine are a day or 2 from harvest on a tub I sent 5/20
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: GingerMyc] 2
#28359931 - 06/14/23 05:23 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Yeah I would give it a slight mist and keep waiting
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AspectOfTheCreator said: Spawned on 5-23. 1:4 with a quart top layer. Still not doing anything. Got 2 more just like it. Any ideas?

Clouds in a box! Really nice
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Learning the art of camouflage.

Edit: Stare at one of the bare looking grains for a few seconds and the mushroom seems to disappear.
Edited by thirdeyewild (06/15/23 03:06 PM)
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thirdeyewild said: Learning the art of camouflage.

Looks like that guys been going through some stuff over there..
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A.k.a said: Iโve had exactly this many times, I now suspect that the myc is super reactive to any type of bacteria or mold that lands on it. Like with cubes you wouldnโt even know there were mold spores that had landed on the surface cuz they donโt do anything, but the natal myc changes colors and sends metabolites and all that.
I donโt have any concrete evidence but I noticed when I kept my tubs tight with all the air exchange spots filtered I almost never have funky myc. Itโll prob still fruit though, when I had those tubs Iโd wait and if nothing happened flip it over.
Donโt know how I missed this, thanks Aka. The spawn really slowed down around 80% colonization and I thought it was underhydrated, but I just read about how hard to break up myc is a sign of bacteria and one of the jars definitely had a very tough baseball of myc when I went to shake so Iโm pretty sure the spawn was no bueno. I havenโt tossed it yet though and itโs started doing something again the past day or so, hopefully get a fruit thrown up soon. Iโll try the flip if nothing happens in a bit!
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Hi...natalensis noob here. I was hoping to get some advice on these natal LC's I got going... the mycelium started to float after I put a needle in there to test LC. It has been floating since then... before they always settled on the bottom... is this normal behaviour for natal mycelium in LC when it gets huge mass? Or is floating sign of contam?


Grain photo is where I tested LC.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: sbcvm103] 2
#28361681 - 06/16/23 03:03 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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I donโt think Iโve ever seen someone drill a ship into a jar before.
It looks clean but that just means itโs not loaded with bacteria.
Floating is normal especially after disturbing it. I think the air bubbles/oxygenated water cause it.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#28361746 - 06/16/23 06:07 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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This actually is a great idea. I'll improve my LC jars with such bottom ports. thanks for sharing.
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I am new to this and not sure where to post this at. If I cannot dump it here, where can I post this info for review?
I have recently started my journey of mycology. I have a decent setup, ample supplies, and several psilocybe varieties to work with.
My focus is going to be psilocybe natalensis (From the "world that inoculates"), however I am cultivating these other varieties:
Golden Halos (From a vendor)
Z-Strain (From a vendor)
Hillbillies (obtained from swab of dried cap)
Bluey-V (obtained from swab of dried cap)
Mel's (obtained from swab of dried cap)
Golden Ghosts (obtained from swab of dried cap)
I also have an unidentified mushroom that I personally deemed the strongest I've had thus far. I've tried all of the specimens that came from a dried cap swab. This unidentified specimen will be reffered to as Konvict Caps until I can officially identify it. These genetics were obtained via swab of dried cap.
The final variety I am growing is even less known than natalensis. Can't find more than a paragraph or 2 online about this specimen. I plan on using the untapped lineage to make a one-of-a-kind hybrid. Another interest that will take much research... and equipment.
I am running Uncle Bens Tek, Broke Boi Tek, PF Cake Tek, and my favorite Enhanced Popcorn Tek (Custom Tek). There is an animal feed store near my home where I can get 50 lbs of popcorn for 18 bux!
As far as enhancers , I soak/pasteurize all grain in gypsum water. I have an abundant supply of used coffe grounds that I've re-pasturized (I get it by the 10 pound bag from Starbucks for free! Daily!) When I re-pasturize the spent grounds, I add a bit of hydrogen peroxide to the coffee grounds.
I'm using unsulphered blackstrap molasses as my liquid culture base. Also considering agave syrup. I've found blackstrap to be as affective if not MORE NUTRITIOUS than Karo and honey, which is important for shelf storage stability of the mycelium.
I'm using a DIY monotub, an inflatable monotub, several dub-tubs, a poly tub, 2 grow tents, a Still air box.
I am also trying to develop agar tek. Spawning developed agar plates to various substrates. I'm doing this because I have found myself with lots of extra agar after I do my initial transfers. I know agar lacks nutrients, and substrate isn't as nutritious as grain so I added a small amount grain to a CVGCG substrate (Coco coir, vermiculite, gypsum, coffee, grain) I reffered to this as my all in one substrate.
I also will be attempting to grow Natalensis outdoors (will be doing that later.
I am conducting outdoor grow experiments as well. Hoping to find the best variety to dispose of outdoors and can still survive contamination.
Many confuse Psilocybe natalensis with Natal super strain (cubensis). One is not apart of the cubensis lineage. I am planning on making a hybrid that has not ever been mentioned or claimed.
I'm trying to go where no one has gone.... and document it.
I did see several forum sections regarding Natalensis. I have made several conclusions:
Natalensis is prone to overlay and a casing layer isn't necessary, and typically problem inducing.
It's important that you pay attention to the surface conditions during spawning to bulk due to how quickly overlay can start developing.
Natalensis needs high amount of FAE, it has been speculated that they need up to 10 fannings a day, at least 5.
I've made a polytub to assist with the moisture stability during the increased fanning. Filled it 3 inches with wet pearlite. I've been fruiting multiple shoeboxes in the polytub simultaneously due to the convenient humidity levels.
To assist with oxygen production and prevention of contamination, I added about 1/4 cup of hydrogen peroxide (3%) to the moistened pearlite. This will help remove bacteria and when it degrades it turns into water and oxygen, 2 things I need in the polytub.
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Hey fellas! This is my first attempt at P. Nat, in a shoebox/dubtub. The myc is super ultra aggro. Oats in a 4:1 CVG ratio, spawned on 6/3 in a martha setup running 80% RH. Typically I mist as needed but I haven't needed to touch these since spawning. From what I've read previously, just run it like a normal cube with maybe a bit more FAE?
This look good? Am I doing it right? So much aerial myc!

Tips and suggestions welcome!
Edited by ShroomNugget (06/16/23 08:35 AM)
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You won't need the polytub or fanning. Run them like a normal shoebox/monotub and give more or less the same FAE depending on your climate.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: cozmyc] 1
#28361967 - 06/16/23 11:01 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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I never fan and never would, ew! I'm mostly wondering how far to crack/prop open the top for FAE. For most cubes I barely crack the top/lid. Should that be the same case for P. Nat or should I maybe just crack it a little more than normal? Or leave a giant gaping crack?
Edit: I ask because the myc is so aggro and I'm not used to this. it's also held those perfect surface conditions for days on end which made me wonder if it's too wet/not enough FAE. Most my grows need a gentle misting twice a day.
Edited by ShroomNugget (06/16/23 11:02 AM)
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Thatโs extremely tame for natal!
Looks great, just keep doing what youโre doing.
If it gets like this then peel the myc off, I havenโt been saving it but you can trip off that also.
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Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: A.k.a]
#28362083 - 06/16/23 12:30 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: Thatโs extremely tame for natal!
Looks great, just keep doing what youโre doing.
If it gets like this then peel the myc off, I havenโt been saving it but you can trip off that also.

Whoa
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