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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28276127 - 04/13/23 04:18 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

All that is a stretch, just like my arugments. No way of knowing where the trash is sold to before diving; similarly whether there was profit or not, you are feeding off exploited labor.

The bottom line is that directly or indirectly, all of our actions contribute to the capitalist system. I am sure you have an internet service provider, for example.


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I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #28276233 - 04/13/23 05:29 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

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Shivas, I think you're starting to convince me to be true to myself and embrace the neoliberal ethic.



Being honest with ourselves is a pretty good starting point, imo.

What have we learned? Not sure if I've learned anything new just yet - but that's probably because you still avoid directly responding to the clarifying questions I've asked you. Why is that? Do you not have an answer; or do you not like your answer?

For reference:
- Isn't your attitude largely responsible for perpetuating the status quo?
- What's the functional difference between your argument when applied to "working 72 hour weeks for shit pay making disposable trinkets", and to chattel slavery?
- Why do you think global systemic change is a necessary precursor?




- Yes
- None, and I am content as a slavemaster.
- There is no need for global systemic change. A leftist society is like nuclear fusion: 20 years from now.


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28276284 - 04/13/23 06:05 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to claim I exist outside the system - I've done the whole 'live out in the woods' thing, and deeply understand it's nigh impossible to completely separate.

And sure, there are conceivable examples were taking food out of the trash provides a benefit to a waste disposal company - but that's only one specific method of getting food. How does gleaning a field destined to rot and be plowed, after being deemed unprofitable to harvest, benefit a companies bottom line?

From what you say, the act of eating in and of itself should be considered unethical, considering it depends on taking other beings life - the ultimate exploitation, no? In fact, Jainism (the origin of the principle of ahimsa/nonviolence) has an incredibly developed system of vegetarianism that pretty much adopts this view, and seeks the diet with the least amount of necessary violence. Some monks take it even further, and only accept leftover food that was originally cooked for a households meal with no intention of donating - this is considered the most karmically neutral diet.

To say it another way, I have friends who won't eat animal products, but they'll eat roadkill or dumpster meat because they aren't contributing to more animal death. If I don't contribute to the profit, how does eating waste indirectly contribute to the exploited labour that produced it?

Now do consentual cannibalism.


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28276341 - 04/13/23 06:42 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

Fair enough.

I am all for voting  or supporting with one's money and actions; unfortunately we all are limited in scope and cause when it comes to ethical or moral decisions in any economic system. I think its crazy in today's age that there are definitely examples of labor that can be construed as slavery, yet, if I were to source every piece of property I have, at some point, I have contributed to this type of deplorable labor.

How can one fix this? Or is it just harm reduction that we should all aim for? Then again, Amazon has a deal going on right now. Think I will obstain? ....nope.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28276391 - 04/13/23 07:15 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

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Now do consentual cannibalism.




eatin that pussy?:naughty: or ass:shrug:

whats the difference between eating a cow, raised and supported within this system or a human?

the calories you intake will always be tainted.


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: mushboy]
    #28276477 - 04/13/23 07:59 PM (9 months, 10 days ago)

Yeah but the meaning behind 'no ethical consumption under capitalism', as I understand it, is that consuming goods or services in a capitalist society will inherently cause harm. Usually targeted towards criticizing things like green capitalism.

That human was already born and going to consume resources over their lifetime, whether I eat them or not. If the act in truly consentual, what harm have I caused?




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How can one fix this? Or is it just harm reduction that we should all aim for? Then again, Amazon has a deal going on right now. Think I will obstain? ....nope.




It's not a question of whether we can fix this, but of how we wish to live. My actions don't derive their meaning from some future goal. Whether we choose to fight or not, we will suffer. The question is what we want the context of that suffering to be. Will we suffer in pursuit of the things that are most precious to us? Or will we suffer meaninglessly, attempting to flee from pain and uncertainty, as if that could protect us?

In this regard, my ability to believe in the possibility of change - not as something to occur in the future, but as something I can pursue right now - is a fundamental part of my power to live fully, to maintain a healthy relationship to my own agency. This is different from believing in a vision of revolution. It's not a prediction about the future, but rather a decision about how to relate to myself and my own capabilities.


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28278674 - 04/15/23 09:41 AM (9 months, 8 days ago)

Don’t feel like making a new thread so this is gonna be the all things China spot.


Lula visits Beijing, CPC plays Brazilian democracy song written during struggle against US-backed military dictatorship to welcome him.

https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1647151768219033601?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw

Later, at a presser, Lula asks why all international trade needs to be done in US dollars.

https://twitter.com/kawsachunnews/status/1646584667011776513?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw



Normally I’d make a snarky comment about the US rehabilitating Bolsonaro and pushing to (re) imprison Lula, but I don’t think we have the reach or will to do something like that at this point. Really feels like our grip is beginning to slip.


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28283208 - 04/18/23 05:57 AM (9 months, 5 days ago)

Huge prisoner swap recently between Saudi and Yemen, another sign of a peace deal coming into form

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1646950195966402562?s=46&t=NCHEHEdgn4yG76LKXrSTrw


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Re: China and Oman Broker Peace in Yemen (Authoritarianly) [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #28356760 - 06/12/23 09:17 AM (7 months, 12 days ago)

Pakistan now buying Russian oil in yuan (Chinese currency), what was even the point of that coup lol

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/pakistans-russian-crude-shipment-paid-chinese-currency-minister-2023-06-12/


Very funny to me that we are blowing up the petrodollar because we just couldn’t accept Russia collapsing at a slightly reduced pace than what we wanted.


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