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Heroin addict quits successfully with suboxone, 3 year retrospective 1
#28355875 - 06/11/23 04:44 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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its very elucidating. especially for those involved with opioids
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Re: Heroin addict quits successfully with suboxone, 3 year retrospective [Re: Asante] 1
#28357963 - 06/13/23 05:43 AM (7 months, 12 days ago) |
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I 100% disagree with this guy. Methadone works for people who want it to work, same as subs. You also can get high on both. I used to buy subs from a guy to hold for emergencies or when money was tight. Plenty of times I'd be on subs and still score H and get plenty high on it. Both methadone and subs are strong receptor binders but with enough heroin you will get through it unless you are on some crazy ass dose.
Methadone clinics also do work sorta like he's saying, but they are leaving out an important part. They test you the entire time and when you reach your plateau level you're tests have to start coming in NEGATIVE or they take away privileges like take home doses. Treatment clinics are also meant to be long term because it's well known people rarely fully quit when they speed through detox. Some people take 6 months, some people like myself took years. Subs didn't work nearly as well for me as methadone did. The long half life and full receptor binding made methadone a lot easier for me to drift away from buying heroin until I was out of the scene long enough I couldn't get it even if I wanted to. Then at that point as you're pulling your life together outside of drugs, you taper down over a long long period of time. You can do it quicker but most people fail.
Both forms of treatment are good and can work. Most people don't want to stick with the structure and fail a few times.
It should be noted also that there are 2 different types of subs. Suboxone, which contains buprenorphine (the opiate) and naloxone (the opiate blocker), and subutex, which is bupe only. Suboxone made me feel like shit even though I wasn't in withdrawal. Subutex worked a lot better for me but most clinics don't want to prescribe it because its more prone to abuse.
This guys right though, don't do heroin kids.
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Re: Heroin addict quits successfully with suboxone, 3 year retrospective [Re: mndfreeze]
#28357993 - 06/13/23 06:31 AM (7 months, 12 days ago) |
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I hoped for reactions like yours, offering perspectives that can help people to make the right choices.
Buprenorphine has people enjoy it as their vdrug of choice, though less severely addictive than full on opioids, i can see that being enjoyable.
Doctors should cut out the middle man and prescribe pain patients methadone and bupe instead of the far more addictive oxy's.
if you get hooked on methadone, there's a maintenance program giving your DOC.
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Re: Heroin addict quits successfully with suboxone, 3 year retrospective [Re: Asante]
#28358618 - 06/13/23 03:51 PM (7 months, 11 days ago) |
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I love Joey's Videos I have watched pretty much every single one. His entire life is interesting and has so many stories.
He was homeless in New York City for 10 years.
I seriously recommend watching all of his shit.
Ive even subscribed to him on Pateron a f his vids on there are pretty good too.
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Re: Heroin addict quits successfully with suboxone, 3 year retrospective [Re: Asante]
#28358742 - 06/13/23 05:47 PM (7 months, 11 days ago) |
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Asante said: I hoped for reactions like yours, offering perspectives that can help people to make the right choices.
Buprenorphine has people enjoy it as their vdrug of choice, though less severely addictive than full on opioids, i can see that being enjoyable.
Doctors should cut out the middle man and prescribe pain patients methadone and bupe instead of the far more addictive oxy's.
if you get hooked on methadone, there's a maintenance program giving your DOC.
I never enjoyed the high from bupe. It made me moody, lacked the 'comfort' and 'euphoria'. It was way better than being dopesick but I wouldn't call it enjoyable at all really. Made me feel kinda robotic an just existing. Not miserable, but not good. Just kinda meh.
Methadone made me kinda speedy/anxious for the first few weeks. The switch over from H to methadone wasn't clean feeling. I found that switching one opiate to another was actually a bigger deal than expected. Sort of like how people who smoke camels can't stand marlboros and they don't properly satisufy your cravings like your chosen brand. However once I got 2 weeks in or so the high from methadone was quite enjoyable. Especially the long half life. It was SO NICE to not wake up sick af. One dose in 24 hours was enough. Heroin, Oxy, Hydro, al wear off super fast so you might be high as balls falling asleep that night and 8 hours later when you are getting up for work you feel like absolute trash until you re-dose.
The downsides of long lasting opiods though is you get physically addicted to them quicker and the withdrawal is much tougher. They do prescribe methadone for long term pain patients. I used to buy methadone pills in the early days from an old lady dying of cancer who didn't like taking them and needed extra cash. Bupe never did a ton for me for pain. Better than OTC stuff but generally if you are in enough pain to need an opiate you probably want something that is a full agonist. Oxy/Hydro/etc are prescribed a ton because most people are taking pain meds for short term use. Like you had a surgery and only need 2 weeks of drugs to get through the pain. No one gets addicted in 2 weeks. It's a slow, creeping thing. It starts out casually, then a lil more often, a lil more often, now its every weekend, then a few times week then the next thing you know you've been taking them daily for whatever excuses you tell yourself and it's been a month or two. You stop, suddenly you think you have the flu but you don't. Most people don't even realize they are dopesick the first few times they get it during early addiction stages.
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Re: Heroin addict quits successfully with suboxone, 3 year retrospective [Re: mndfreeze]
#28385634 - 07/05/23 05:50 AM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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Suboxone is just as addictive, if not more than heroin. You still chase your tail on the stuff, just wearing a different pair of shoes.
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Re: Heroin addict quits successfully with suboxone, 3 year retrospective [Re: See_Ya_207] 2
#28385939 - 07/05/23 12:54 PM (6 months, 21 days ago) |
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See_Ya_207 said: Suboxone is just as addictive, if not more than heroin. You still chase your tail on the stuff, just wearing a different pair of shoes.
There's an important difference: the half life. With a half-life of 38 hours, one can dose and not feel dope sick for over a day. Whereas the halflife of heroin is 25 minutes, and of fentanyl 3-7 hours.
People are more capable of getting off something if they don't need to constantly redose. They can take it and not feel sick and not feel that intense need to use again.
Also, they get their suboxone from a medical provider, not a shady dealer, and it can literally save their life. Buying street opioids almost gurantees fenatyl and if it is mixed too strong, you can die from taking a dose you otherwise would be able to take. Every time a street user uses their opioids, it's a roll of the dice to see whether they will OD and die. From that perspective, it is far far better.
A person who has been switched to subox still has to get off subox, true. But one should infinite prefer to be a subox user to a heroin or fentanyl user.
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