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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #28362324 - 06/16/23 04:19 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Excellent post Eggtimer.


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Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28362490 - 06/16/23 07:44 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Time and meaning of information is re-arranged.

Can't explain it.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28362683 - 06/16/23 09:46 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Okay, I'm upset. I know I've said this repeatedly, but this is coming from the heart: I really feel I was lied to. I feel like I was "convinced" into believing that the "other worlds" didn't exist, but now I'm being able to patently "see" it. It's impossible to describe, but do you get this?

I truly, truly do not know why people aren't making a bigger deal about this?

The existence of the universe / reality / Divine / God.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28362789 - 06/16/23 11:39 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

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solarshroomster said:
Okay, I'm upset. I know I've said this repeatedly, but this is coming from the heart: I really feel I was lied to. I feel like I was "convinced" into believing that the "other worlds" didn't exist, but now I'm being able to patently "see" it. It's impossible to describe, but do you get this?

I truly, truly do not know why people aren't making a bigger deal about this?

The existence of the universe / reality / Divine / God.



Subjective confirmation bias..

These worlds can be difficult to describe..


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28362794 - 06/16/23 11:45 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Wow. Wow. Wow. thank you...
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BrendanFlock said:
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solarshroomster said:
Okay, I'm upset. I know I've said this repeatedly, but this is coming from the heart: I really feel I was lied to. I feel like I was "convinced" into believing that the "other worlds" didn't exist, but now I'm being able to patently "see" it. It's impossible to describe, but do you get this?

I truly, truly do not know why people aren't making a bigger deal about this?

The existence of the universe / reality / Divine / God.



Subjective confirmation bias..

These worlds can be difficult to describe..




Wow. Wow. Wow. thank you...


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28362805 - 06/16/23 11:58 PM (7 months, 8 days ago)

It's just so crazy to be alive. I don't know why people aren't talking about that more?


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28362822 - 06/17/23 12:29 AM (7 months, 8 days ago)

I think it depends where you look...


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #28362855 - 06/17/23 02:07 AM (7 months, 8 days ago)

When you have a single tear you can begin to share more.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28363001 - 06/17/23 07:45 AM (7 months, 8 days ago)

Yeah, I got a lot I want to say, let's put it that way.

Again, I want to emphasize that I'm not UPSET at anyone per se, but definitely a bit frustrated. At the end of the day, they were there to create this UNDERSTANDING NOW, so I'm grateful for it all.

When I started talking openly about revelation, they diagnosed me as being manic. I absolutely lost it when I saw a stage hypnotist trance 16 sober people. It was the most incredible thing I've ever seen. I mean, what does that say about the stability of the ego? It's like we're not even there. Behind the surface appearance, there's a deeper, allegorical essence.

I was finally saying the truth, and even the psychiatrist admitted that my mania provided a "window into something more". It just feels like there's a concerted effort keeping people from knowing the truth, in my feeling. I don't know why that force exists. It's like they did everything in their power to make me the biggest doubter in the world. Doubting Thomas, they say.

What hurts the most is that, even though I agree revelation is outside this world, there's concrete things we can share that would help people in this world. I'm in the process of writing a book on Why does Reality Exist?. It will inevitably fail and be wrong, that's sort of the point. But the idea is to at least to make something of an effort. I'm sure I'll laugh at it years from now, but it's an important diary Reality is writing to itself...


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Chopin in Eternal Sonata: "I believe that I am somehow being tested. That I am on this journey to come to some realization. And in order to do so, I think I’m supposed to live my life to the fullest, even if it is in this muddled world of dream and reality."


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28363116 - 06/17/23 09:33 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

'concerted effort keeping people from knowing the truth'

It seems in the larger picture, it is not intentional or it's unconscious. It reminded me again of the don Juan quote, "I call this a social base because a serious and fierce effort is put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the world the way we do." I'm aware of controversy around Castaneda but the message again is broadly inferred.

But what is that tendency? It seems like a survival aspect of the body.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28363126 - 06/17/23 09:52 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

It's interesting the idea of being the whole mind, all of us, bringing what we do to the all.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28363148 - 06/17/23 10:08 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

That is a great quote by Don Juan. Yep, definitely. I feel similarly that it's all in plain sight, but at the same time it isn't. I guess it just depends on the perspective.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28363161 - 06/17/23 10:18 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

Here's the whole quote I selected before. I think I referred to this recently so pardon if I'm repeating.

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    "What would it mean to me to perceive the energetic essence of things?" I once asked
    don Juan.
    "It would mean that you perceive energy directly," he replied. "By separating the social
    part of perception, you'll perceive the essence of everything. Whatever we are perceiving
    is energy, but since we can't directly perceive energy we process our perception to fit a
    mold. This mold is the social part of perception, which you have to separate."
    "Why do I have to separate it?"
    "Because it deliberately reduces the scope of what can be perceived and makes us believe
    that the mold into which we fit our perception is all that exists. I am convinced that for
    man to survive now, his perception must change at its social base."
    "What is this social base of perception, don Juan?"
    "The physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects. I call this a social base
    because a serious and fierce effort is put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the
    world the way we do."
    "How then should we perceive the world?"
    "Everything is energy. The whole universe is energy. The social base of our perception
    should be the physical certainty that energy is all there is. A mighty effort should be
    made to guide us to perceive energy as energy. Then we would have both alternatives at
    our fingertips."





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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28363213 - 06/17/23 11:39 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

Yeah, that quote is definitely on the money.

That still leaves open my question: if this is a real thing, why aren't people talking about it more? Like, why does Don Juan need to be so secretive? Why?

Like, I hear religious stuff all the time, but no one exactly saying the kinds of things you or Don Juan are saying. It's so hidden. It feels like there's this "fierce effort" to "guide us to perceive the world the way we do", when there are so clearly other modes of perception. Imagine how a bat or an alien may perceive of reality?

This ineffable "other perception" is what we mean when we speak about the higher planes.

It's a shame there has to be that controversy with Castenada. But, then again, that seems to be very intentional. Like, we get evidence, but there always seems to be a fact that cripples the entire theory (in this case, it's hard to separate Castenada the man from the legend, the truth (whatever that is), and Don Juan".

I'm just kind of confused why there's not more people talking about these things? Have I been living under a rock?


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28363218 - 06/17/23 11:41 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

Btw, this moon cycle starting to wax is auspicious up to the full, plus happy solstice soon! Strength to all.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28363229 - 06/17/23 11:56 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

Quote:

solarshroomster said:
Yeah, that quote is definitely on the money.

That still leaves open my question: if this is a real thing, why aren't people talking about it more? Like, why does Don Juan need to be so secretive? Why?

Like, I hear religious stuff all the time, but no one exactly saying the kinds of things you or Don Juan are saying. It's so hidden. It feels like there's this "fierce effort" to "guide us to perceive the world the way we do", when there are so clearly other modes of perception. Imagine how a bat or an alien may perceive of reality?

This ineffable "other perception" is what we mean when we speak about the higher planes.

It's a shame there has to be that controversy with Castenada. But, then again, that seems to be very intentional. Like, we get evidence, but there always seems to be a fact that cripples the entire theory (in this case, it's hard to separate Castenada the man from the legend, the truth (whatever that is), and Don Juan".

I'm just kind of confused why there's not more people talking about these things? Have I been living under a rock?




As for secretive, one reason I was considering before, or I might have posted... first I searched my journal for 'secret' just for interest, and got these.

Shankara
"70. Having a firm grasp of this secret Knowledge,
the Supreme Goal, and being free from defects and
vanity people should always fix their minds on Brahman
which is always the same. For no man who knows
Brahman to be different from himself is a knower
of Truth."

Don't remember this source.
"Ayin

Finally one experiences the Infinite Eye of God directing every created being to its ultimate fulfillment of purpose in Creation, thereby bringing all Creation to realize its Divine Purpose. Here, one’s awe itself is in the face of the revelation of God’s Infinite Love for all (“all is right”). This is the secret of sweetening."

Excaliber
"What is the secret of the Grail? The king and the land are one."


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28363273 - 06/17/23 12:54 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

You blow my mind syncro.

"What is the secret of the Grail? The king and the land are one."


That's great!


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28363295 - 06/17/23 01:25 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

:lol: Yeah, I was tripping on that one for a while.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28363331 - 06/17/23 01:50 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

A reason I was thinking about involving secrecy is around initiation. There is an aspect of protection - teaching won't be given without initiation, knowing the person and connecting to keep an eye and guide them. There is karmic implication. Guides are taking responsibility for the initiate. Power also is an obvious reason for being attentive.

As for the masses, they just don't see it. We are buried here with a tiny spectrum of sight. We are like fish considering flight or walking on land. As we see there are some species who are doing so.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28363343 - 06/17/23 02:00 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

Lol, I get what you're getting at with that "king and land are one". It's sort of saying that the author of something can't be distinguished from his extensional space. Sort of like the merging of space & time. But that's just my conception of it... a lot of interesting ways you can go with that quote. Great stuff.

For what it's worth, I really appreciate conversations like this. I haven't had it in my entire life, so it's like an entirely new thing. Tells me that I'm not the only one crazy in town. Us crazies can have normal conversations.

As the Cheshire Cat might say, “I am not crazy, my reality is just different from yours".


I like what you say about a fish considering flight. That's a good way of putting it. I also like to think of it as trying to tell a blind man to see and then asking us to imagine another sense that we don't have. If you don't have it, you don't know it.


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