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Why does the mystical world hide itself? * 3
    #28354562 - 06/10/23 02:28 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

I don't understand why the mystical world hides itself???!!!!!

Whenever I'm not on the drugs, I no longer "see". And, why, do I keep forgetting?


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster] * 4
    #28354574 - 06/10/23 02:44 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

Because its appearance is only sensible insofar as it is hidden; were it brought to daylight, it would be ever so ordinary. Mysticism only survives when there are special ways to get there, special moments and conduits. Drugs are one such method, and convenient because of their quickness; but also, special places, practices and thoughts can be made and associated with mysticism, with concerted effort.

I think that mysticism is found in the seeking itself, rather than being anything possible to seek.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28354684 - 06/10/23 04:37 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

On the other hand, what is not spiritual? Is the nature of what you see not up to you? What I mean is not so much the objective world but it is only within us, where any meaning is attributed. Who is seeing with your eyes? Who is in there with you? Whom you invite. Which Christ or Buddha does not say we are like them? And certainly that would include our fellows.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28354697 - 06/10/23 04:50 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

Quote:

Whenever I'm not on the drugs, I no longer "see". And, why, do I keep forgetting?




This is probably due to how the brain evolved to focus on the immediate reality presented by the 5 senses.  Mystical experience seems to come from a focus inward and away from ordinary/consensus reality.  Perhaps its related to survival where experiences of the mystical are secondary despite their influence on the masses through storytelling/religion/myth.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #28354777 - 06/10/23 06:25 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

'Whenever I'm not on the drugs, I no longer "see". And, why, do I keep forgetting?'

This speaks to an advantage to add if possible a 'sober' way of meditation, or however we affirm, remember, or make peaceful. We could lose access to the substances. Faith is an asset as in any sincere effort or longing is reciprocated multifold. This is true cognitively in forming habituation, no doubt in proportion to sincerity. Where the mind goes it will make for you. Wasn't this your quote, SS, by Plotinus; "They will be what they see."? Though I may have altered the meaning a bit.

People say developing meditation takes a perhaps prohibitive level of dedication, time. In my experience, I can pretty easily give myself an altered state with sadhana and with a little work can take it beyond my comfort tolerance, meaning there is plenty.

I'd say it can be done with less effort than it would take to get a diploma. I believe Yogananda said one can become a good yogi in six months. With the ripeness which seem to abound around here, likely much sooner. Observing the breathing changes the state immediately. And not that I don't have obstacles big time.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28354916 - 06/10/23 08:42 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

I just think the existence of the mystical domain is an astounding discovery, the best discovery I've ever made in my entire life. I don't understand why people need to be so secretive about it. I feel like it should have been less of a discovery and more of a recognition, like air in the sky.

Like, shouldn't people be taking to the streets and talking about this all day, every day?????


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28355000 - 06/10/23 10:19 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

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I don't understand why people need to be so secretive about it.




It used to be that the Catholic Church would kill you...!!

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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #28355001 - 06/10/23 10:20 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

Now the LDS fly out and rape you...:ifyoucanawe:


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28355006 - 06/10/23 10:32 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

Forgetting what? The never ending story?


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster] * 1
    #28355031 - 06/10/23 11:16 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

shadow work and the unconscious mind are two things you might benefit from researching.

We often access certain states of consciousness by speaking with certain plant teachers, this allows us to be able to experience a state of gnosis, a eureka moment, or something similar which we find hard to access while in a sober state.  Of course, some can access such places of mind while sober but not everyone can.

We often put up barriers in our mind built by our logical/rational hemisphere and forget that we have a spiritual/intuitive hemisphere that also needs attention.



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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28355039 - 06/10/23 11:27 PM (7 months, 14 days ago)

There is a lot of dense energy here. Some say our plane is as if submerged in lower astral thought forms. Not that it is too difficult to rise above it for a time, but without a mind to it, resistance seems to dominate.

Recently after some time of say 'forgetting', I started doing spiritual practice, and the resistance of negativity was a sight, attacking God in various ways. When I would overcome some modes, other strategies would enter to make myself unworthy and keep it covered.

It was visualized as a sea of negative living forms, elemental. Again rising out of it is not too difficult, but there is gravity. The elementals are simply joining their likeness in us, all based in thought.

We are highly equipped to shine them away with pranas given, or bring the annihilative force in manolaya, mahamudra; I like it as Vishnu's form. The witness is the same. I like the thought that although we are in these lower forces, we also have which they do not, meaning the higher order.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28355245 - 06/11/23 06:31 AM (7 months, 14 days ago)

I think what you're talking about, we do. That celebration and exhilaration from direct experience. We may not do it in the physical body, running out into the street. Maybe we should. In the body, we're more subdued. It's really an excellent point. But coming back into the bodily consciousness can be a drag. It's like coming back from the best day of your life, and it ending again temporarily, having to clock in, etc. It's like coming back to where it's dangerous and sad, which the body ego is said to be, though for the ego to allow us to be too conscious of it we would no longer give it reign. It's because of our lack of realization. You are right. It should shine.

The body itself does nothing and can't be blamed. It is what the mind says. This is the teaching. For me though it seems the body mind has its own life. Ideals say one thing, the body does another. It's amusing really.


Edited by syncro (06/11/23 06:49 AM)


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro] * 1
    #28355331 - 06/11/23 08:35 AM (7 months, 13 days ago)

Quote:

The body itself does nothing and can't be blamed. It is what the mind says. This is the teaching. For me though it seems the body mind has its own life. Ideals say one thing, the body does another. It's amusing really.





Yes. After witnessing a stage performance, I took out into the streets and started proclaiming how it proved the existence of the higher planes. Yes, I was manic, but I was right. People are just asleep to what is in front of them!!!!

Anyhow, after the incident, I've been told I was manic and needed to be "watched".

I get that screaming at the top of your lungs isn't "normal behavior", but it's also not "normal" to be "normal" in the face of the Divine after you've been lied to for so long by spiritual denialists.

We now know that the mystical planes exist, and I think we, as a community, need to do more to get the word out.

Like, while the mystical world ultimately is ineffable, there are certain foundational concepts that can be taught to others at an early age: all is one, we are all interconnected, I am you, the egoic self and the sensory world is a construction of the mind / hallucination, time is illusionary, are all VISIONARY concepts that no one really talks about outside of maybe a few posts here and there on the Shroomery. These are  concepts that are spot on mystically, spot on scientifically, and spot on philosophically. It's at the point where I think these should be concepts that are legitimately talked about as theories in school.

I can't figure out why I had to learn about these concepts just through taking shrooms and smoking weed. It was entirely new to me.


To be clear, there are two things here. There are certain ideas that can be talked about with conviction from the mystical planes, but then there's the overall concept which elude ordinary vocabulary. You just need direct experience for them. That's where the "real stuff" is. For that, we can't do anything but be secretive about it, but for the former -- getting the word out seems like a necessary step.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster]
    #28355522 - 06/11/23 11:45 AM (7 months, 13 days ago)

The dynamics of our exposure are interesting. There was not spirituality in my family. We did go to church in the early years. I was baptized. But there was no consciousness of it really beyond that I knew of coming from familial influence.

Considering reincarnation, I was reading again recently that the conditions of family will have to do with past thoughts and actions, and that practitioners, those of faith, etc. will take births appropriated by that plus everything else. And we see that spiritual inclinations arise regardless of outer appearance and provision of family and other influence in youth.

If we graded human birth on this planet as a whole, where would it fall in terms of the most base to the optimal? It's also said to differ in the various ages, yugas.

Now, traditionally speaking I guess, we are considered to be in the Kali yuga, the darkest and headed down for some long time. Then there are the cycles proposed by Yukteshwar and others that are more closely timed with the precession, much faster, and in that it is said we are headed up in better phases. I don't consider these very relevant to the capacities of individuals with inclination.

There is also the idea that thoughts are shared and it is not necessary to be in physical proximity to do that work. This is not to discourage those who have the inclination to do so, nor to discourage you in whatever you choose. Good thread and cool posts by everyone imo.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28355542 - 06/11/23 12:01 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)

some Terry Brooks fandom

Allanon, speaking to the Ohmsford kids, blood heirs to the Elven magic - "Magic, good or evil, adapts to the user and the user to it."

This struck me in terms of specialness, disastrous under the ego though in function given to the individual, each of us, in the spirit. As we are unique, so is our function, yet it carries power to the degree we are willing to accept.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28355634 - 06/11/23 01:11 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)

This to me means that even if two follow the same path, it will manifest in them differently. Therefore God, the Magic, the Dao, however referred to, is your own, and you His, Hers, ... uniquely. Only you can fulfill it.

Ok now I would cue the Peter Gunn theme again. lol


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: syncro]
    #28355653 - 06/11/23 01:26 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)

Yeah, I think I need to start trusting myself a little bit more. I've been looking outside myself for authority for too long. Thanks.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: solarshroomster] * 2
    #28356127 - 06/11/23 07:26 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)

Hidden in plain site.


"Not to seek the Truth outside of
ourselves, so we may instantly
enter the right way."

- From:  Dai E Zenji's Vow for Awakening


"All sentient beings are essentially Buddhas.

As with water and ice,
there is no ice without water;
Apart from sentient beings there
are no Buddhas.

Not knowing how close the truth is
we seek it far away – what a pity!

We are like one, who in the
midst of water cries out
desperately in thirst.

We are like the son of a rich man,
who wandered away among the
poor.

The reason, we transmigrate
through the Six Realms, is because
we are lost in the darkness
of ignorance. "


- From:  Hakuin Zenji's Song of Zazen


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28356431 - 06/12/23 02:07 AM (7 months, 13 days ago)

Bad people..

Evil people..

They get off on seeing others in misery..

Lucifer wants to be Eve again.

The goodness is there. It is pretty.

But the darkness clouds the true goodness of your soul.


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Re: Why does the mystical world hide itself? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #28356645 - 06/12/23 07:43 AM (7 months, 13 days ago)

If it were fully realized and available to all, it might make this manifestation unnecessary. The question is intriguing and impossible, going back to why the divine made itself appear not to be in the first place.

But it if anyone can find the reason, it is the great shroomery council of stonedhenge.

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