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Invisibledjbabyjesus


Registered: 11/13/13
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61] * 1
    #28490553 - 10/03/23 03:03 AM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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HOWEVER: I do think my tests, even using self bio-assay instead of a lab, has strongly indicated (if not proven) one important thing: if there is any additional psychedelic substance produced by adding either of these substances to a grow, it's not substantial.

So this experiment went a long way to debunk the many noobs who've asked here, Reddit, and elsewhere something like "I have an idea for an experiment someone should do. Someone should add Melatonin, or Tryptophan to shroom substrate. It might make stronger shrooms."

It does not make shrooms significantly stronger. If it did I would have tripped hard of a gram. I did not trip hard off a gram.

I invite anyone to duplicate this experiment, USING A CLONE ONLY, and having a control group, and doing it more than once as I did, and see if any of them make you trip hard off a gram, or trip much harder off the same amount.




Hey đŸ‘‹đŸŒ, I think u need to dig a little deeper into how adding precursors to substrates works
.

First of all, tryptophan and melatonin wouldn’t be what you would use to increase psilocybin content in the actual mushroom. The mushroom only uptakes the molecule it usually makes. Otherwise you will have to extract from the mycelium/substrate. So of course you didn’t notice any difference in effects.

If you want to increase indole content in cubensis, you would have needed to use tryptamine or dimethyltryptamine as a precursor. Something that will become 4HODMT with the simple addition of a Hydroxyl group at the four position. Then you will see results.

You could possibly use bacillus subtillus as it is rumored to increase psilocybin content due to additional enzymes. That hasn’t been proven, it just my educated guess and something I’ve been working on. May only increase psilocybin and not overall indole content. (It has additional kinase enzymes that aid in adding phosphate groups crucial to psilocybin production.)

Gartz showed that adding DET to the substrate produced 4-HO-DET and 4PODET. However a lot of people read this and mistakenly confuse the two ideas. You can make novel psychedelics in the MYCELIUM of the mushroom but you won’t make a mushroom with novel psychedelics. You can increase the psilocybin content by adding the right precursors.

The melatonin would have created something like 4,5-Methoxy-N-acetyltryptamine.

The tryptophan would have made 2-Amino-3-4-hydroxy(1H-indol-3-yl)propanoic acid.(not sure how to write the exact name smh)

Have either of those have been shown to be active? Either way, in both cases the products would be found in the substrate.

Science.

:grin:


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Invisibledjbabyjesus


Registered: 11/13/13
Posts: 341
Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: argenpills]
    #28490577 - 10/03/23 04:35 AM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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The link I shared with you resolved many of these doubts for me but raised new ones that go beyond my current capacity for study. I don't think any of these guys here will join our conversation and explain to us how we can make our mushrooms better in a cheap way with a simple element




I just did :glittershitz:

I’ll post a thread with pic/sourced info on this topic soon but here’s a few recipes for anyone interested to try out
.

Aside from the above mentioned methods for increasing psilocybin production, the Gartz method suggests it is possible to make a whole range of novel “Super Psychedelics”. From substituted tryptamines, phenethlyamines, amphetamines and beta-carbolines

One important thing to consider is which type of mushroom you are using and how many of which particular enzymes it produces.

Simply put, the PsiH enzyme is the one you want to be most aware of. So far, psilocybe mushrooms have been found to have either 1,2 or three copies of the PsiH enzyme. This adds either 1,2 or 3 hydroxyl groups to your chosen precursor. Generally speaking cubensis have 1 copy of the PsiH enzyme. this adds one HO. Woodlovers generally have either 2 or 3 copies of PsiH and thus have the ability to add 2 and 3 hydroxyl groups.

Note: you will also get a phosphate group added to each hydroxyl group by the PsiK enzyme or bacillus subtillus if using the “Ghost in a Jar” method for making kykeon (yeast, lacto bac, bac Subillus, grapes or other precursor like ergot/barley).

For example: if you started with methamphethamine, you would get 4-MA. 3,4-MA and 3,4,5-MA.

If you used 3,4-MDMA, you would get 3,4,5-MDMA. Very similar to TMA and Mescaline

You could start with a lot of precursors from the phenethlyamine/dopamine path way.

L-dopa, only needs one additional HO to become similar TMA.

Starting with MG Seeds should render hydroxylated form of LSI, LSA, LSH and LSD depending on lysergic source.

Starting with 5HT will yield 4,5-HO-DMT when added to cubensis. This is one is the Goldie locks of the tryptamines. It’s found in wood lovers cyan/azures/P.subs and is created via the additional(2) PsiH enzymes. (no source just alot of research with supporting evidence atm but I am waiting on testing this year) 

You should be able to get a double yield of done right. One from the mushrooms and one from the cake.

There are probably hundreds of different compounds you could create with this method.

Note: when u create a tryptamine with three HO groups AND phosphate groups, it becomes a neurotoxin and can cause paralysis. Possibly true for other compounds as well so keep that in mind. In these cases you need to remove the phosphate groups before ingestion. (Look up removing phosphate groups, decontamination of agricultural run off and acetylcholinesterase inhibitor based chemical weapons). Simply put, soak in acid over night and/or boil for 15-20mins. Or expose to high or low PH conditions.


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Invisibledjbabyjesus


Registered: 11/13/13
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
    #28491084 - 10/03/23 03:10 PM (3 months, 23 days ago)

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”the two people I have talked with at Hyphae Labs are not responding to my emails, and this email that used to be the Psilo Cup email is now bouncing:
psilocybincup@hyphaelabs.org

Also, Did you even carefully read the experiment thread linked in the first post? I'm not sure you did, based on some of your replies here.

HOWEVER: I do think my tests, even using self bio-assay instead of a lab, has strongly indicated (if not proven) one important thing: if there is any additional psychedelic substance produced by adding either of these substances to a grow, it's not substantial.

So this experiment went a long way to debunk the many noobs who've asked here, Reddit, and elsewhere something like "I have an idea for an experiment someone should do. Someone should add Melatonin, or Tryptophan to shroom substrate. It might make stronger shrooms”




Nektar, I am curious, you seem intelligent, well educated and experienced growing mushrooms.

Why would you do this particular experiment when there is absolutely no evidence adding tryptophan or melatonin would increase psilocybin potency? 

Anyone with access to google could have easily deducted other precursors were more fitting.

When smart people start acting like they had no idea what was going on it looks suspicious.

Reasonable suspicion isn’t enough for probable cause for investigation. However when they start adding up it can trigger those flashing lights.

You’re obviously intelligent, but maybe you just didn’t research this one as much as you should have and totally missed readily available information 
ok move along
.nothing to see here people
.

Wait, did you say you were at one point in contact with the group at the center of an on going investigation concerning results in psilocybin competitions? Hold up, ima need to see some ID.

I gotta ask


Have you been posting this information on any other site than the shroomery?

*shines flash light in back of vehicle*


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Invisibledjbabyjesus


Registered: 11/13/13
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
    #28495614 - 10/07/23 03:59 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

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nektar61 said:

djbabyjesus: What's this weird cop shit you're saying? I'm guessing a joke but I don't get it.

Pretending to be a cop anywhere, but especially on this forum, is fucking creepy.






It’s an allegory
.

“a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.”

The cops, uses state of the art lie detection techniques derived from some of the  smartest people in the field of psychology.

Often, when people get caught, they try to discredit the person asking the questions. Kinda like when you tried to make me out to be a creep for calling you a liar. Which I am calling u a liar.  Strait up.  Oh did I offend you by calling you on your BS? Sorry not sorry.
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The other part you said about me sounds insulting. It comes off as you saying to me "You're smart so why are you being dumb?"





If the shoe fits.

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I did this test more than anything to hopefully see if I could prove that it would NOT work because people have said they thought it would work. It's obvious, again, that you did not read my whole post about it. My thesis was that it would not work, though was open to testing, and my thesis was found to be correct.





Why didn’t you choose and experiment that would work?

I could have told you, throwing shit in a pot doesn’t make diamonds. It’s just dumb unnecessary science. Why would you do that? What a waste. Don’t you think it would make more sense to do something that could provide meaningful results?

Everybody already knows melatonin plus mushrooms doesn’t make you mushrooms stronger. There is ZERO evidence to point that this is true. So why do it? You simply didn’t prove something that has already been proven. It’s pointless.

That’s why I wonder, why does someone that comes off as intelligent, do such an asinine  experiment when so many others would have provided ground breaking results. It looks like you didn’t even try. So either A you were just completely ignorant to the current state of affairs in the community, or B you are miss leading us on purpose.

I don’t say this to be mean or offensive but sometimes the truth does sting a little.

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Why does anyone do any of the dozens of "experiments" people post here each week. Curiosity.





You didn’t do dozens, you did one very questionable red herring of an experiment. Then dipped from the site only to return when called out.

I’m willing to bet, you did this on other sites as well as a type of miss information campaign. Something the smartest people in this community are suspected to be involved in. It’s a type of false flag operation. Meant to cover up the inconvenient truth that precursors can be added to substrates yielding positive results and even novel psychedelic drugs.

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The answer is: I don't even know what you're talking about. I think you're confusing me with someone else.





Then u said:

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I have emailed the Psilo Cup people a year before that email link bounced, and did email their main address from the website since, and after I wrote here about it bouncing.

But when they started asking me for money in the form of gift cards, I gave up on them. And it was them, not an unrelated scammer pretending to be them, according to someone I trust who knows them.





So you were at one point in contact with them. So no, I’m not confusing you with someone else. The more I talk to you nektar, the more deception is coming to light. Your story doesn’t check out.
Especially when one of the key phrases liars use is “I don’t know what you’re talking about”. It lie detection 101 lol.

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I haven't heard of an "on going investigation concerning results in psilocybin competitions."

Do you have a link? Or is this more cop jokes from you?




Are you blind? We’re doing one right here and now 😂

And for the record I ain’t no cop. I’m the guy the cops are afraid of. When they step to me they take two steps back. True story. I have thick cauliflower ears and I am highly trained in the art of lie detection/interrogation. I am here to take the street cred back from those whom attained it though dishonest means.

Anyone that has been involved in dishonest misinformation surrounding psilocybin cups is in the hot seat right now. I promise, it’s only gonna get hotter with djbabyjesus around. It’s what I do đŸ”„

There are many people that are questioning the validity of the psilocybin cups and the 3% results as they have not been duplicated by an out side 3rd party.

It pretty cut and dry. There is some info that didn’t make sense. There seems to be people online, swaying the information in a dishonest manner. I find your actions on this site suspicious ok? Is that a crime?


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Invisibledjbabyjesus


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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
    #28495621 - 10/07/23 04:18 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

I’m gonna ask you again since you avoided the question (another tell tell sign of deception lol)

Have you been posting this information on any other site than the shroomery?

*shines flash light into your eyeholes*

Idk, I thought the cop jokes were kinda clever and humorous
sorry to ‘creep you out’ or what ever lol

I felt it was an appropriate analogy to the situation. Even if you are infact being totally honest, there are people on here that aren’t. It just so happens to be revolving around the very topic you posted about. If it was an honest mistake on your part, then I apologize, it was an honest mistake on my part and you are free to go.

Maybe do another experiment to regain your street cred? I’d support that.


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Invisibledjbabyjesus


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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
    #28496024 - 10/07/23 11:22 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Often, when people get caught, they try to discredit the person asking the questions. Kinda like when you tried to make me out to be a creep for calling you a liar.




Now you use the same tactics to try and discredit me by accusing djbabyjesus of all people of being a cop? That’s rich. I’m literally a guy that picks mushrooms and obviously eats them constantly. You think djbabyjesus is a ‘cop on shrooms’ 😂

Nektar, if someone wanted to find out who all of your social media accounts are, all they would have to do is take a sample of your emotional writing
. Plug that into AI with a special ad on and have it search the internet for matches. So If your worried about people finding out who u are then simply stop posting on the internet on more than one site. Simple as that. The shroomery is the only place I put my words or leave a signature of my writing. There is no cross site tracking for djbabyjesus.

I was just asking if you have been spreading this info on other sites? That’s all. Asking questions and giving you my honest opinion. No anger, just a lot of people calling shenanigans.

Good bye nektar


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Invisibledjbabyjesus


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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: Smellyhobbit]
    #28496050 - 10/08/23 12:08 AM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Hey bro this cop talk needs to chill the fuck out. People really don’t take kindly to those types of accusations and insinuations. Wouldn’t be surprised if your account gets put on ice if you don’t watch your language




For what? Exactly what did I say?

What types of accusations and insinuations are you referring to?

I think it’s fair to question the validity of the cup results and anyone involved. Nectar has connections to the people in the cup. She said it herself.

Then she posts a very suspicious experiment, which was then reposted on Reddit (as I suspected
weird) When I questioned her with a little tongue-in-cheek joke she just started attacking me personally instead of scientifically and logically. She equated my logical arguments with anger in an effort to discredit the validity of my findings. The she accused me of hating women? Wtf? Where does that come from?

Seriously
.did she really play the woman card!?

If anyones account should get iced
it’s the ultra manipulative nektar61.

People are calling shenanigans. What should we do? Just ignore the 3% results and the obvious effort to cover up information relating to the subject?

Sorry man. Not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent. Ice me if you want. My first post on this site got +35,000 views and was the top ranked hit on google when searching for mushroom paralysis. I think I can make a cop joke or two.

Whats not ok is accusing other members of being police in an effort to hurt their rep instead of responding to their scientific inquiries. If there was nothing to hide she wouldn’t have gotten so upset.

These aren’t cop tactics, these are ‘um im pretty sure my girlfriend is lying to me and every time I ask her she just attacks me personally and storms out of the room tactics.

Now I’m convinced, Nektar was hiding something and not being 100% honest.


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Invisibledjbabyjesus


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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: x7x_x7x]
    #28496562 - 10/08/23 01:44 PM (3 months, 18 days ago)

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Hey, I see you're trying to come off as tough, very clever, manipulative, and psychopathic. What I don't see is you actually working or contributing anything productive here or to society. You fit the profile of a resentful failure with nothing better to do (not saying you are). Why don't you find a place with "bad boys" like yourself? You probably wouldn't say any of this to anyone's face. By the way, how many teeth are you missing?





Oooh now your talking tough
. I like it
it’s
cute


I admire your powers of deduction.

For the record I cured wood lovers paralysis. djbabyjesus literally help the paralyzed walk again and help thousands of people avoid and become educated around the topic.  Every you tube video on the topic references my work done here on the shroomery. Before I showed up, WLP was nothing but a myth without any treatment options. Now it’s a whole different ball game. It came from the discoveries in my threads. I post original information never before posted on the shroomery. So yeah I think I have actually added something to the community. Now I find thread with misleading information and start a discussion around the discrepancy. All my real life friends see this as a noble cause and support my actions on here. They agree there is misinformation on the shroomery and it needs to be flushed out.

May I ask
. What have you done that was so helpful to the community? Enlighten me to your ground breaking threads. Please, I await your glory.

How many teeth am I missing? Lol great question!

In total I am missing my entire bottom row and a few other molars from an altercation with the Portland police while being dragged out of a rave party on se 9th and pine. I was 16. I had taken 5-10 hits of very strong 90s LSD and had completely lost my mind.

I knocked the first cop out cold, as he fell to the ground, another cop grabbed me from behind/side. I’ve trained in judo since i was 5 and happened to be mid wrestling season and in phenomenal shape. So as u can imagine the second cop was hip tossed right onto his partner. True story, I piled those cops on top of each other. They didn’t see it coming and weren’t ready for that lol.

Then all of the sudden there were hands all over me. I was slammed against the brick wall while the cops and security worked to zip tie my hands and feet.

Then they picked me up by the zip ties, and face planted me right into the side walk. I lost two on the top and one in the bottom that night. I wasn’t ready for that 😂 đŸ€•

A few years later in 2004, I ended up losing my mind at another rave party, getting thrown out
.long story short, I was teleporting and when the cops caught up with me, I was trying ti teleport away but they had me in the ground and one of them hit me with a knee to the side of my face and broke almost my entire bottom left side out. I had to most removed because they had been broken so badly. 

Yes, I am missing many teeth, but I still got my money makers sucker!!!! 😂

And yeah you’re right, djbabyjesus is a psycho for sure. I agree, you’re dealing with a different kind of animal you’re not used to.

Portland has become a lawless paradise for people like me. Come on down brother. I speak like this on the daily, unless you are a cop with back up ready, my words stay the same.


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