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Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg
    #28242066 - 03/22/23 09:19 PM (10 months, 1 day ago)

I made a post previously about cannabis microdosing. I never completed the experiment. Truthfully, I was in a rather bad place with my cannabis use at that time, because whenever I'd try to use a small dose, eventually I'd escalate it. I'd know that a high dose was a bad idea, and I'd do it anyway. Such was my struggle for a long time.

Some time has passed and I'm not in the same place as I was. That being said, I've been through various stages of quitting and coming back in the time since. It is partly due to willpower, but not solely. I dealt with a real problem: I had a number of problems that cannabis seemed to solve better than no other. It's just that, when I was using too much, these benefits became drawbacks. For example I have struggled with insomnia since I was a youth, and cannabis edibles are the only thing that can really guarantee me a good night's sleep. It's just that, if the dose was too high, I'd pass out no matter what I had to accomplish. It was a good thing gone too far.

I had another problem, which was my very severe acute withdrawal reaction when I stopped. There is an initial sleeplessness and irritability and anxiety and nausea that I experience in the first few days of stopping. This is normal, but I was also hit with a seemingly larger problem, which was that my depression and anxiety seemed to go through the roof past a week not using cannabis. And this unfortunately did not seem to do away so easily - continued even when I went months without. It seemed that I had come to depend on it for my mental health, and it was hard to proceed without it.

And yet I also could not continue as I did. It wasn't as 'fun' as it was before; and I was aware that I had a very hard time not escalating my dose to levels that were too high and could cause anxiety or make me pass out and lose my evening. I had a tendency to push the boundary, and take amounts up to 100mg or more. It was a big problem, and I've been wanting to get behind it, as I've posted before. But I felt dependent, like I had a hard time living the life I truly wanted without it, and also with it.

A NEW MICRODOSE EXPERIMENT

This journal will be a way of 'holding myself accountability'. I am well aware that cannabis carries risks, with me specifically. I am continuing the experiment however because it has never been all evil; there have always been goods and bads that I weighed in using it. Nothing has gave me better sleep, and at times it did help me work through my problems. I believe people can change their relationships to things, and in this instance I want to change my relationship with cannabis.

The purpose of this microdose experiment is the following:

1. The dose should not be so low as to be completely undetectable. This is because I want this dose to be capable of preventing the 'withdrawal reaction' I've had to cannabis before. I can continue this for a while and perhaps move to quitting altogether after some time and gradual reduction.

2. Even if detectable, the dose shouldn't cause 'intoxication' per se. No major changes in heart-rate, no major changes in perception. It should help with sleep without inducing me to pass out.

3. I always perceived some good about cannabis along with some bad. This experiment is to see if doing it in a measured controlled way brings out the good and minimizes the bad, helping me solve my problem with my misuse over the years.

DOSE CONSIDERATIONS:

I have found that I can detect even .25mg of an edible, as I am sensitive. I have chosen an ideal target dose higher than that, 1.5mg. That dose is meant to be sedating enough to help me sleep and potentially help with anxiety, but not so high that it causes any kind of anxious action. At the moment I do not have CBD-heavy rso but that's what I'll use at a later time to maximize the CBD that I get along with the low dose of thc.

A dose of .25mg is low and hardly detectable - for some unnoticeable - but wouldn't seem to me to do enough to help sleep. A dose of higher than that, say 3mg, might be more effective for some, but I want to avoid intoxication and a change in my reasoning abilities. Hence the dose I decided of 1.5mg seems to strike a balance. 1.5mg is so low that many would not notice it, but I do.

I hope that this dose 'satisfies me' in the sense that it would make it so I wouldn't have a desire for more. This would require a lot of discipline on my part to stick to the schedule I set out for myself. Part of my reason I am posting here is to 'keep myself accountable' and post about my sticking to the schedule or, if I don't, provide the reason.

Interestingly, I find that if I were to take a high dose of cannabis (say 25mg), it would make me desire more. Fulfilling the desire can lead to more desire, in a negative cycle. So I am hoping that a lower dose will be less likely to stimulate the desire to use more - if I avoid getting intoxicated altogether, I won't get the same urge to keep escalating. That's the theory, anyway.

Even doing this experiment requires more self-discipline than I use to have. I will document it here. If I fail, at least I will be able to write it down for myself and hold myself accountable. But the purpose of this is so that I do not fail.

I am also not excluding the possibility that I might use cannabis recreationally in the future - but it can't be all the time, as it was in the past. And I'd like to have this option of microdosing as a much more regular option; for a while perhaps it'll be all I do, or maybe I'll only allow myself more a few times a month. In this way I can perhaps achieve a balance and help get myself to a better situation than I have been in previously.

THE FIRST DAY:
Wednesday, March 22 - about 30 minutes ago, I consumed approximately <1mg THC by cutting up an RSO tablet twice using a pill-cutter (after already diving it). Diving it this way is tedious and inexact, but it works at least to reduce the dose.

My intention is to take a dose of <1.5mg THC every 12 hours - so, about twice a day, taking a small amount of RSO. I may bump the dose down as it might be too high, but I'll observe.

I am considering other dosing schedules eg once a day or once every four days or something like that; for the moment I think having a very low dose active all the time makes the most sense and would reduce the chances of side-effects. I'll see.


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28245356 - 03/24/23 10:17 PM (9 months, 30 days ago)

Couple days in...

How's the plan going?


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: crabs]
    #28246098 - 03/25/23 01:39 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

Quote:

crabs said:
Couple days in...

How's the plan going?




It was interesting - about what I expected. But I realized every day is not the ideal schedule. It makes more sense to wait a few days and just experience residual effects for the days when you aren't using it. At least, that seems to be preferable to me.

I think I will switch to 4mg every four days - 4mg being slightly active but not very much, then other days just residual effects. Maybe every 3 days. I'll play around with the dosing.

1mg definitely feels different than nothing though. It wasn't bad. But I prefer with this experiment to have days of not using it, where I can experience just residual effects that are even weaker than 1mg effects. I think letting receptors reset completely might be useful and important.


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28246255 - 03/25/23 03:44 PM (9 months, 29 days ago)

Someone recently told me about California Poppy. It is mildly psychoactive, gives pain relief, has no opium in it and has been used for opiate withdrawal. I looked - its widely available online. No personal experience so I cannot offer opinion for or against. Maybe someone else has?


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: Neurotech]
    #28247000 - 03/26/23 03:16 AM (9 months, 29 days ago)

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Neurotech said:
Someone recently told me about California Poppy. It is mildly psychoactive, gives pain relief, has no opium in it and has been used for opiate withdrawal. I looked - its widely available online. No personal experience so I cannot offer opinion for or against. Maybe someone else has?




It's a good idea but probably not for me personally. I presume the mechanism of action is the opioid receptors - the last time I tried an opioid was a regular dose of oxycodone after a surgery. After two days I felt like I couldn't breathe so it's not something I will likely repeat any time soon.


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28329988 - 05/22/23 01:19 PM (8 months, 2 days ago)

Update here:

I have done a lot of experimenting. I found I prefer doses that do have effects, but the lowest possible to create an experience. Edibles to me have a threshold effect, it takes a certain amount to have a peak. Microdoses don't pass the threshold, and are subjectively different.

I want to be off cannabis eventually. At this stage, stopping cold-turkey would be bad - not every gets them, but I do get cannabis withdrawal. Were I to quit cannabis entirely I'd experience increasing levels of depression and anxiety over a period of four weeks. And I have some work to do in a week and I don't want to deal with withdrawal right now. Slowly reducing my use over time will probably be better for me.

Harm reduction requires acknowledging where one is at with their use, and an attitude of non-judgement of one's self.

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Here is what I found about various doses, TO ME. I can't answer how anyone else will be impacted by these doses; infact I've read on here someone who doesn't experience edibles until 400mg. So this only applies to me, but those who are interesting might be able to apply certain aspects to their own experiences.

up to 1mg - no peak, mental effect is usually slowness, not very noticeable.

3-5mg - small peak, but subjectively different; minimal impairment but may be impairing at certain times.

10-15mg - start of peak, impairment at the height of effects but isn't too bad at other times.

25-50mg - peak's length and intesity extended, possibly hours of difficulty concentrating or coordinating; possibly feeling it difficult to leave the couch; anxiety at the peak. After the peak, it will be quite hard to do things but not impossible.

100mg - powerful psychedelic effects, the start of when things get unmanageable. One cannot be relied on in this day as they will be very substantially impaired, and it can last a long time until they are ready to do something. This dose always produces anxiety for me.

200mg and up - intense anxiety; heart-rate rises and stays risen for an extended period of time during the peak, then after an intense highly anxious phase it lowers and one becomes stone-like and finding it difficult to move, before passing quickly to sleep. During the anxious peak, there are many psychedelic effects and distortions, as well as intense emotions and examination of life-circumstances. Would be useful, except one can't remember it, and the discomfort is too great to be of use. This is past the point I'd ever want to administrate to myself again.

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So, having laid out these doses, you can see why a dose of 10mg is actually a great improvement for me; I used to self-administrate 100mg every single day at the height at my habit. At times I've even gone up to 500mg (terrible terrible experience). At any dose over 200mg or so, I feel intense physical anxiety as though I might die.

By administrating a low dose but still a high enough dose to cause a peak, I can satisfy a little something of the wild urge to use cannabis without as many side-effects. In contrast, microdoses just didn't do enough for me.

So that's where I'm at - I am still unfortunately dependent on a drug, but at least I am better than I was.


Edited by CreonAntigone (05/22/23 01:30 PM)


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28332470 - 05/24/23 11:57 AM (8 months, 1 day ago)

I think I am ready to start phasing it out, though. I am going to try for two days without cannabis now starting today. 2 days is the time it takes for the surface cannabinoid receptors to recover, and is enough for a 'tolerance reset' (even if not a full reset). And even if I used cannabis after those two days, that two day break will help me take other two day breaks in the future, and then I will be out of dependence.

I am sorry this thread turned to me addressing my addiction and dependence, as opposed to being about a microdosing strategy. I hope what I write here helps others though.

Currently active in the system, water.


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: crabs]
    #28335649 - 05/26/23 02:13 PM (7 months, 29 days ago)

thanks to share this experience with all. It is really helpfull:smirk:


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Re: Cannabis microdose v2: part of an RSO tab, <1mg [Re: Angron91]
    #28347532 - 06/04/23 08:20 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

It seems just naturally I'm reducing the doses I prefer. It was 20mg last Sunday. Then that seemed to much to me so I reduced it to 15mg during the week, then to 10mg, today it was 5mg. And it feels like enough, or even too much.

I am getting pretty sick of cannabis. I did a pretty good job weening off it I guess, and even getting too high I have been making strides in my job. So it turned out the best harm reduction strategy for me short-term was probably to keep using cannabis. But long term it is a handicap, since it was uncontrolled and stood out as a 'need', as if things weren't right without it.

So I'm going to start coming off now. I am hoping to get as many days sober as I can, but I'll settle for going every other day or other similar strategies until I'm done. It's been a hard journey for me. Most people don't seem to get quite so hooked on weed as I did. At the very least, even when I took way too much it was never life-threatening or even capable of causing long-term harm. But even if the substance doesn't cause harm itself, there can be harm in being impaired and unable to meet the day's tasks.

I am high now, but I don't want to be. I'm tired of it. Time to get sober. I tried a lot of times before and failed. This time I took it very slow, took many weeks to slow myself down, and perhaps now I'm finally ready.


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