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Anyone plan on voting 3rd party?
#28343832 - 06/01/23 10:53 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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If i do vote iʻm going independent this time; idgaf at this point lol. Anyone else thinking about voting 3rd party this time?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336] 1
#28343838 - 06/01/23 11:05 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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I've tried voting for independents it literally is never possible for the 3rd party to win. Gary Johnson got something like 10% of the vote people were trying to get em to 12% because of a technicality but even with that being a movement we couldn't get him to the 12% so as much as I don't like it I think we are looking at Trump v Biden v DeSantis situation so I'll be voting for Biden more then likely. At least with Biden I'm sure we will continue to support Ukraine which I think is vital to the future.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28343848 - 06/01/23 11:21 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Itʻs only a matter of time. An independent candidate isnʻt going to win if people keep refusing to vote for one. All I know is Iʻm sick of both the republicans and the democrats. Iʻm not gonna be fear mongered into voting for either of them again. even if my vote is ʻwastedʻ. lol
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28343855 - 06/01/23 11:35 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Out of all the candidates on the field so far, republican, democrat, and independent, I pick Biden.
I guess there is the caveat that they have enough name recognition that I know them.
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#28343983 - 06/02/23 03:04 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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how anyone could pick Biden is beyond me. I mean at least Trump was a clown and was kinda funny; Biden is just a sad old man that is more or less being taken advantage of at this point itʻs pretty much elder-abuse. Then again I donʻt doubt he did many things to deserve it... But still, its a bad look for the US; even worse than Trump was imo. But hey we all have our own choices to make. I would have thought after the media / political circus these past 8 years that people would have had enough of both parties and would be seriously trying to move towards an independent party, but it doesnʻt sound like the masses are; I guess theyʻve been sufficiently fooled into thinking that voting for someone other than the top two is folly; when if 10% voted 3rd party this round maybe 20% will next time, and 40% after that, and 80% after that. Itʻs possible that a 3rd party candidate could be elected within 3 elections; if people tried for it. or at least thatʻs my theory.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28344040 - 06/02/23 06:06 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Ahh,
Let the feckless and reckless bipartisan division commence.
What a ridiculous poll. May this thread sink to the bottom ere my American friends dissolve into cyclic dispute.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Milleresque] 1
#28344149 - 06/02/23 08:46 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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I think it is extremely telling when "independent" voters respond to me saying that Biden is the best candidate by talking about how Trump is better.
Yeah, we all know you're gonna vote GOP, you just don't want to admit it.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Kryptos]
#28344150 - 06/02/23 08:48 AM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Why would anyone want to admit to voting for a clown?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Kryptos]
#28344426 - 06/02/23 12:51 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: I think it is extremely telling when "independent" voters respond to me saying that Biden is the best candidate by talking about how Trump is better.
Yeah, we all know you're gonna vote GOP, you just don't want to admit it.
lmao. humble yourself my friend. you donʻt know as much as you think. I voted for Obama, I voted for Trump. I gave both parties a shot. Now itʻs time for the 3rd. And you should know me better than that by now, I donʻt have much trouble admitting things that people disagree with or are stoked to anger about. and tbh I probably would have voted 3rd party instead of Trump if it wasnʻt for how nasty the left was and how fearmongering the right was; and how both had convinced me that a 3rd party vote was a "waste". no longer.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28344450 - 06/02/23 01:09 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have never voted by party. But I feel politics has changed. I sometimes feel an independent vote can be seen as a wasted vote because of the two large parties. I am unsure who I will vote for. I do know I will not vote for one person. I will wait and see who else is on the ballot.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Kryptos said: I think it is extremely telling when "independent" voters respond to me saying that Biden is the best candidate by talking about how Trump is better.
Yeah, we all know you're gonna vote GOP, you just don't want to admit it.
lmao. humble yourself my friend. you donʻt know as much as you think. I voted for Obama, I voted for Trump. I gave both parties a shot. Now itʻs time for the 3rd. And you should know me better than that by now, I donʻt have much trouble admitting things that people disagree with or are stoked to anger about. and tbh I probably would have voted 3rd party instead of Trump if it wasnʻt for how nasty the left was and how fearmongering the right was; and how both had convinced me that a 3rd party vote was a "waste". no longer.
Obama/trump voters pretend they're "reasoned moderates" when they just have a bad case of celebrity worship.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: loladoreen]
#28344465 - 06/02/23 01:26 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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loladoreen said: I have never voted by party. But I feel politics has changed. I sometimes feel an independent vote can be seen as a wasted vote because of the two large parties. I am unsure who I will vote for. I do know I will not vote for one person. I will wait and see who else is on the ballot.
Same here. I voted for Obama because I believed i the "hope and change" promise. And I voted for Trump more or less as a fuck you to the "corrupt elite" who lied to me via Obama. lmao
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Kryptos said: Obama/trump voters pretend they're "reasoned moderates" when they just have a bad case of celebrity worship.
Know what? Iʻve heard your sentiments echoed many times by famous people; pretty much word for word. What does that say about you my friend? Like I said, humble yourself. Not everyone is the same.
Iʻve told this story before, but in the first year I went to college I had an Anthropology teacher instruct the class to divide themselves to the corners of the classroom based on race (More or less to make a point about how tribalism quickly divides people). The blacks went to one corner, the whites to another, the asians to another, the hispanics to another. Out of about 33 or 34 people I was literally the only one that refused and remained seated. The teacher asked why, and I responded "I donʻt believe in division". After that everyone pretended like nothing had happened and ignored me for the rest of the semester. One of my proudest moments in my life.
I tell this story to try and impart to you that I do things for a different reason than many. I believe in striving for righteousness. So place your preconceived notions elsewhere please. Mahalo aloha nui loa.
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Don't stop telling the story. It is important.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: loladoreen]
#28344535 - 06/02/23 02:16 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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gary johnson was a pretty bad candidate.... wasnt paying attn to our current military conflicts... botched a number of softball questions.
i would prefer a third party win... always. the forward party looks nice.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Kryptos said: Obama/trump voters pretend they're "reasoned moderates" when they just have a bad case of celebrity worship.
Know what? Iʻve heard your sentiments echoed many times by famous people; pretty much word for word. What does that say about you my friend? Like I said, humble yourself. Not everyone is the same.
Iʻve told this story before, but in the first year I went to college I had an Anthropology teacher instruct the class to divide themselves to the corners of the classroom based on race (More or less to make a point about how tribalism quickly divides people). The blacks went to one corner, the whites to another, the asians to another, the hispanics to another. Out of about 33 or 34 people I was literally the only one that refused and remained seated. The teacher asked why, and I responded "I donʻt believe in division". After that everyone pretended like nothing had happened and ignored me for the rest of the semester. One of my proudest moments in my life.
I tell this story to try and impart to you that I do things for a different reason than many. I believe in striving for righteousness. So place your preconceived notions elsewhere please. Mahalo aloha nui loa.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28344612 - 06/02/23 03:28 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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336 said: An independent candidate isnʻt going to win if people keep refusing to vote for one. lol
That's a truism.
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how anyone could pick Biden is beyond me. I mean at least Trump was a clown and was kinda funny
That's pathetic.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Kryptos]
#28344615 - 06/02/23 03:30 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Like I said, no one clapped. In fact I was shunned afterwards for it.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28344616 - 06/02/23 03:31 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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336 said: An independent candidate isnʻt going to win if people keep refusing to vote for one. lol
That's a truism.
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how anyone could pick Biden is beyond me. I mean at least Trump was a clown and was kinda funny
That's pathetic.
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#28344687 - 06/02/23 04:50 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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YO! We got 4 dems and 4 independents! thatʻs great odds so far! XP
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28344737 - 06/02/23 05:44 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: And then everyone clapped.
Like I said, no one clapped. In fact I was shunned afterwards for it.
That's because of your hypocrisy. You claimed to not believe in division and to prove it you separated yourself from everyone both physically and by your virtue signaling. You practiced division while simultaneously implicitly criticizing it in others.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
#28344762 - 06/02/23 06:01 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: And then everyone clapped.
Like I said, no one clapped. In fact I was shunned afterwards for it.
That's because of your hypocrisy. You claimed to not believe in division and to prove it you separated yourself from everyone both physically and by your virtue signaling. You practiced division while simultaneously implicitly criticizing it in others.
Touche. That is one interpretation of the event.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28344866 - 06/02/23 07:26 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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336 said: Itʻs only a matter of time. An independent candidate isnʻt going to win if people keep refusing to vote for one. All I know is Iʻm sick of both the republicans and the democrats. Iʻm not gonna be fear mongered into voting for either of them again. even if my vote is ʻwastedʻ. lol
I get it more power to you but I think a 3rd party winning the DNC nomination or the RNC nomination will never happen. I don't trust either of those parties to "eventually" give up control to someone they can't control. I blame the 2 party system. I remember feeling like you did but I think it's an illusion.
Also you said you voted for Trump to stick it to the elitists that play the 2 party system but Trump was absolutely no different as much as he wanted you to believe no one was controlling him it was obvious that the moment he became president he fell lock step in line with the GOP and he himself is about as much of an elite as you can get.
I don't look down on you for your views I just don't think there's an "out" from this situation as much as you want there to be
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I feel you. But I believe that itʻs possible. Itʻs just going to take time.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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3rd party's not going to happen. Our two party political system is deeply entrenched part and parcel American capitalism as a whole. And our's is completely interlinked with Western capitalism with Asian counterparts. Even China (and other Asian communists with major market economies) will for a long time see more benefits than not in our "unsustainable" system sustaining for decades at least. We are the consumer market for China et al, and China buys the bonds keeping us afloat.
If that seems off topic, it's not. I don't want to sound all Marxist, but history seems to show that our economic system dictates our two party political system, and depending on your point of view, an appearance of democracy or maybe quite a bit of democracy, but clearly within the boundaries of capitalist interests. 3rd parties would challenge those boundaries.
Same as always, a 3rd party could be a spoiler and help swing an election but that's all. I'm only talking about real 3rd parties. Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul have always identified their ideological true identities, but pragmatically attach themselves Dems and GOP respectively. Despite some progressive voter's outrage, Bernie knew exactly what he was getting into running for President as a Democrat. Better some chance than no chance.
It's possible a candidate could last minute run as a "3rd party" and win because of our (particularly recently and especially right now) dismal choices, but that opportunism is different than a real 3rd party.
When/if our economy falls apart there's a power vacuum and anything's possible. IMO more reason to be fearful than hopeful. I've said this before and it's not popular, but our middle of the road has been our best defense against the far right, because we don't have the progressive/left organization or history that Western and Northern Europe has. Our right is ready for action.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
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the two party system is ruining everythig.
3 more parties would fix alot.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28347075 - 06/04/23 01:09 PM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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UPDATED STATS: 0 REPUBLICANS 4 DEMOCRATS 5 INDEPENDENTS 2 NO VOTE
INDEPENDENTS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE LEAD.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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I'm voting for Ythan.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
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3 more parties would fix alot.
So very true. Unless something changes to break the cycle ,everything will continue to decline.
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300 plus million people. Two political parties. 21st century.
Any wonder there’s a serious problem?
Change it. The United States is certainly not alone amongst comparable democracies vis a vee a leading tussle between two major blocks, but almost all of the rest have independent and greens/liberal parties who, at various times and points in history, garner meaningful levels of support—so much so as to deny a leviathan of another dose of ultra vanilla and force it to compromise, shift and even entirely alter certain policies—and from where I sit this can only be a good thing.
Choice or conflict. People don’t want left and right. They want up and down and twirling too. The whole world is technicolor, not red and blue or black and white.
A child understands this.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Milleresque]
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The majority of children do not. It is very rare to find anyone under 20 who sees anything other than a dichotomy between competing extremes
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i think ranked choice would also step in the right direction.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
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It's also the only step we can take, mathematically speaking.
Until ranked choice voting becomes a thing, or even plurality voting, there will be only two parties. The only way a third party can exist under the current system is by cannibalizing one of the existing parties.
Which is why you often see a third party spoiler candidate designed to dilute votes for democrats.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Mithorn]
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3 more parties would fix alot.
So very true. Unless something changes to break the cycle ,everything will continue to decline.
You have to get rid of the electoral college system, but republicans will never allow that because it’s the only way they can win
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
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Without it, a lot of states would basically have no voice in who becomes president.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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One person one vote
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
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That's how it's always been.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28348993 - 06/05/23 11:45 PM (7 months, 18 days ago) |
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UPDATED STATS 0 REPUBLICAN 4 DEMOCRAT 6 INDEPENDENT 2 NO VOTE
Yo... Could we actually elect an independent candidate sooner than I expected??
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Yeah, the actual stats are 4R, 4D, 4 No Vote
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Without it, a lot of states would basically have no voice in who becomes president.
Which is as it should be.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Randar]
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That's one opinion. All you need is a couple hundred million to agree with you, and it's a done deal!
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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I just find it odd to say that states would not have a voice in choosing a president.
States shouldn't have a choice in choosing a president, the people should. As it stands, the electoral system often denies the people the ability to choose the president. Additionally, and this is an extreme, the electoral college allows a mere 23% of the popular vote (or thereabouts) to determine who the president is. That's absolutely ridiculous.
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I understand your opinion, but it isn't really reflective of this nation and its structure. The states choose the president because the president will preside over a union of states. The states can decide how it votes and whether or not the citizens are directly involved in that decision.
If you want to abandon federalism and adopt some notion of a large monolithic government that has general police power over every American citizen, that's fine...it's just not our current system. All you need is to convince another couple hundred million to agree with you, as I said before.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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electorial college means that a minority of voters gets a greater level of control over who is president.
makes no sense.
the more popular candidate should be elected by ranked choice.
why should anyones vote count more than anyone elses.
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Ranked choice voting has as much a chance as a third party candidate.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
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rxb said: electorial college means that a minority of voters gets a greater level of control over who is president.
makes no sense.
the more popular candidate should be elected by ranked choice.
why should anyones vote count more than anyone elses.
It doesn't.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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UPDATED STATS: 1 REPUBLICAN 5 DEMOCRAT 7 INDEPENDENT 2 NO VOTE
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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rxb said: electorial college means that a minority of voters gets a greater level of control over who is president.
makes no sense.
the more popular candidate should be elected by ranked choice.
why should anyones vote count more than anyone elses.
It doesn't.
yes a voter in wyoming has more than double the impact of a voter in california.
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UPDATED STATS 1 REPUBLICAN (6%) 6 DEMOCRATS (35%) 8 INDEPENDENTS (47%) 2 NO VOTE (12%)
Well... According to the shroomery poll an independent candidate would win. lmao.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Independents do not vote for independent candidates, that's not how that political designation works in the US
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I think John Anderson 1980 was an exception to that rule.
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It can happen, sure. Generally in the US an I designation on a voter card just means it is someone who likes to claim they pick whoever best represents them Then they go vote for the same party they have always voted for year in and year out and bitch and moan about a broken political system. It also prevents them from participating in many primaries, so then they bitch about the candidates that are nominated.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Ice9]
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I don't think Illinois has party designation on the card anymore, but there is some mechanism for primaries. I miss being able to push one button straight party. Now it's a time waster with the #2 pencil going down ballot to candidates you never heard of.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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336 said: how anyone could pick Biden is beyond me. I mean at least Trump was a clown and was kinda funny;
The fact that the first thing you say about Trump that you like is that he was "kinda funny" tells me everything I need to know about your logic involved in picking a candidate. You don't care about policies or improving laws or helping citizens; you just want a president who can make you laugh. You're so shallow, 336.
Let me show you how an intelligent voter decides who to vote for:
What values do I believe in that I want to look for in a candidate?:
1. equality for all, including the LGBTQ+ community. 2. gun control 3. green energy/climate research to combat global warming/climate change 4. women's right to an abortion
Those are the four that come to mind right now. Which candidate posses all or most of those values? Biden. Thus, I vote for Biden.
You see how I did that, 336? You should try that, too, it'll open your eyes more.
edit - any Americans who don't want to risk losing their country to an authoritarian dictator (Trump) should vote Democrat. Trump is clearly a national security danger, as evident by his recent 37 count indictment, including ESPIONAGE! Voting third party in this case is allowing authoritarianism to possibly win. You have to vote Democrat if you want our country saved.
edit 2 - look at how most of the Republican party is still supporting Trump after the 37 count federal indictment. McCarthy released a pre-recorded video condemning the indictment before he even read the indictment. The Republican party, at this moment in time, doesn't care about the rule of law. They are full-blown in support of authoritarianism. Don't think they will stop if Trump isn't their nominee. That would be ignorant.
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I could not agree with your edit 2 any more then I do now. Republican leadership as a whole got rid of their platform at the last convention and just supported trump. They are dirty. Trump tweeted get rid of the constitution. Nuff-said. Cheers gww
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
#28356974 - 06/12/23 11:37 AM (7 months, 12 days ago) |
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You have to get rid of the electoral college system, but republicans will never allow that because it’s the only way they can win
During his 8 years in power, did Obama address eliminating the electoral college?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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A President has no ability to change the Constitution, dude.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
#28357139 - 06/12/23 02:00 PM (7 months, 12 days ago) |
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Thanks, Obama
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28357144 - 06/12/23 02:05 PM (7 months, 12 days ago) |
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I voted for Ralph Nader in ‘96 and again in 2000 and holy shit what a mistake that was.
My girlfriend voted for Bush in Florida in 2000 and I like to fuck with her that her vote counted hundreds of times.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: mycosis]
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I couldn't vote yet but I probably would have supported these losers in 96 and 2000:


I was a weird kid.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
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My girlfriend was big in the Buchanan Youth as I like to call it.
It’s hard to believe we’ve made it together so long. She says I’m the crunchiest most granola dude she ever dated.
I did trick her into voting Obama in 2008 though. An accomplishment I’m most proud of.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: mycosis]
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I couldn't vote, but '96 would have been a tough year. That was post NAFTA which would have made voting Clinton harder, but he was way better than Bob Dole and voting 3rd party would not have happened after I had seen this:
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Ice9]
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Now that Cornel West got shamed into distancing himself from the People’s Party and is running as a Green, he’ll have my vote.
Not that it will matter because the GOP nominee will win Florida by 200k votes but yeah. Been saying it for 20 years but maybe a third party candidate will finally reach 5% of the national vote and get that federal funding. Bernie got shit for running as a Dem but the primary debates and coverage is the only reason he skyrocketed in popularity. It’s gonna be difficult for West to make hay, because the entire media apparatus will ignore him.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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People’s Party is definitely stoked about it

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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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A President has no ability to change the Constitution, dude.
I asked, "Did Obama address eliminating the electoral college?"
Did Obama promote the idea that eliminating the electoral college is a noble, fair, and righteous goal? I don't know the answer, which is why I asked. If a president thinks the constitution should be changed, they should present their rationale to the US citizens.
Has Biden ever admitted he'd like to get rid of the electoral college?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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The power of the president, besides the unilateral authority to decimate all life on earth, largely resides in the bully pulpit.
Sure, Obama can’t just sign an EO that abolishes the EC, but he can absolutely promote its abolition.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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And has Obama or Biden ever promoted the abolition of the electoral college?
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Yeah, but a sitting president has benefited personally from the electoral system by definition and thus has less incentive to advocate an overhaul.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: And has Obama or Biden ever promoted the abolition of the electoral college?
They probably made a couple token statements on the campaign trail or in passing, but actually promoted? No.
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UPDATED STATS 2 REPUBLICAN 7 DEMOCRAT 9 INDEPENDENT 2 NO VOTE
Yo, if all the fkn dems would just vote 3rd party we could potentially see a 3rd party president within the next 10 years. As it stands, if it was up to the shroomery, according to this poll so far, a 3rd party candidate is still in the lead and would win.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Sorry nobody won 270 electoral votes so the election goes to the house who votes for the Republican candidate. Thanks electoral college
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
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I hear your point. If I recall correctly the electoral college was put in place as a compromise between the large and the small states or something like that yeah? A way to 'balance' the power between the 'powerful' and the 'weak' so to speak. Then again it seems to have the power to do the opposite as well. Especially when those electors aren't righteous and don't truly respect their role. Still, I think that if the popular vote for a 3rd party candidate begins to steadily increase over the next few decades we could see a shift in American politics. We'll never know if we don't try. And tbh from what I can tell america goes back and forth between the reds and the blues every 4-8 years regardless, so does it really matter to a red if the blues win or the blues if the reds win. shit stays gridlocked for the most part anyways. most of all this political shit is show and bluster is it not? That said, i'd like to at least try for a 3rd party. At least then in the future it would force the reds and the blues to actually do something for people rather than just accuse the other side of being 'evil' and that they will destroy america if they win again. lol feel me koods? or nah? probably nah... lol
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A President has no ability to change the Constitution, dude.
I asked, "Did Obama address eliminating the electoral college?"
Did Obama promote the idea that eliminating the electoral college is a noble, fair, and righteous goal? I don't know the answer, which is why I asked. If a president thinks the constitution should be changed, they should present their rationale to the US citizens.
Has Biden ever admitted he'd like to get rid of the electoral college?
Obama certainly did
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koods said: Sorry nobody won 270 electoral votes so the election goes to the house who votes for the Republican candidate. Thanks electoral college
Ideally we abolish the electoral college and the senate, and adopt a parliamentary system to avoid all that shit.
Pragmatically, the only way a third party run for president stands a chance in hell of succeeding is by first building the party to the point it represents a sizeable chunk of the legislature.
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If we were have 3 equally competitive parties and the vote was split 3 ways 66 to 70% of the voters would always feel like they are getting screwed .
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That won't happen for a bunch of reasons but thats probably why he mentioned a parliamentary system
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Yeah it forces you to build a coalition. [Third party] builds coalition with Democrats in return for single payer healthcare, etc. No more holding the (relatively) progressive voter base hostage with two right wing parties.
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is Bernie running again?
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i dont understand the point of the electorial college at all.
the things i have heard stated is that it gives power back to states that would otherwise be powerless.
but 1) i dont see how wyoming is powerless they didnt get the president they wanted but they still have power.
2) i dont understand why people in wyoming should have a greater influance with their vote than someone in california. it should be a simple popularity contest...1 person 1 vote. but as it is someone in wyoming has more than double the effect on an election as a person in california.... which is unjust and unfair.
we need ranked choice simple voting for everything no electorial college.
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It exists because of white supremacy, same reason the senate does.
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Same reason the nation does, frankly.
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As I observe American culture, we've now entered an age of black supremacy.
Being "white" is the new N-word. White males are even more horrendous.
The world would be a good place if we could eliminate white males.
White heterosexual males are the equivalent of Satan.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Tone down the racism, please. I'd hate to have to moderate you.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said: As I observe American culture, we've now entered an age of black supremacy.
Being "white" is the new N-word. White males are even more horrendous.
The world would be a good place if we could eliminate white males.
White heterosexual males are the equivalent of Satan.
i live in the same world you do. and yet this sounds stupid and hyperbolic to me.
to me it sounds like you actually do feel guilty for some racist shit and you are deferring it by being a more racist fuck.
the truth is we treated black people horribly...for 200 years and now people see it clearly that the school in the blacker area of the county gets way less funding than the school in the whiter area of the county and many people think thats wrong.
so it gets brought up and idiots and bigots go... its always been that way and you better not change a dime because we dont want to educate those black people properly.
and that is obtuse... and creates an economic gap and an equality gap, and animosity and crime.
its a stupid as fuck attitude to have and now we just have this idea that being conservative means you dont like gay people or anyone who is lgbtq... hell they dont like the term lgbtq because they want to just call them all q's and they want queer to be a bad word and they hate that some people proudly call it that.
what absurdity... in the next breath they say something about the constitution... but the constitution grants people the freedom of expression and yet you have a bunch of people running around saying they are constitutionalists who are against some how this group being able to express themselves when their expression HURTS NO ONE.
the problem with this is it pushes every logical person twoard libralism and removes the checks and balances... to the point whee you have active representatives saying that we should establish a national christian religion... as the one true faith.
which is also an affront to the constitution.... the fake right wing wants everyone to conform to their idea of right and wrong down to skin color and who they sleep with and its gone WAY too far.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Yeah it forces you to build a coalition. [Third party] builds coalition with Democrats in return for single payer healthcare, etc. No more holding the (relatively) progressive voter base hostage with two right wing parties.
Hypothetically, I think that progressive 3rd party would lead to a center right 4th party which could easily be the most popular given American tastes. The least progressive Democrats might not really want e.g. single payer and see more common ground with moderate Republicans. If that party didn't win the extreme right would. Also if that 4th party had a chance they would get corporate funding, and money is always a barrier for the left.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
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a strong center right would be a good thing if they kept tothe ideals of the center right..instead of MAGA
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
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Eh, there are some black nationalists that may actually hold those views, but it's a tiny group of weirdos that nobody takes seriously. We are certainly not in an 'age of black supremacy'.
I've been in a college classroom where someone said "Yea, fuck those straight white men!" ... but it was a white gay man who said it so.. and that's the real thing going on here. RJ doesn't realize he's getting trolled.
There is important academic discourse about critical race theory and whiteness, but by the time it filters down to twitter, you're left with the worst takes from idiot teenagers who have no idea what they're talking about.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Lynnch]
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: It exists because of white supremacy, same reason the senate does.
Pretty sure it was the result of a compromise between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists (more-or-less the larger states (by population) and the small states) who refused to join the Union if such a measure wasnʻt put into place, fearing that their state would loose all power and authority to the more populated states. Originally it was set up as a form of "checks and balances". Today my biggest qualm isnʻt even with the electoral college, as nearly every time they go with the popular vote anyways. However, it is a little concerning how they seem to be a group of unknown individuals.
So long as we continue to use the electoral college system they should probably be voted in by the people. Or at the very least they need to be publicly known. Then again there could be some argument made to the effect that their anonymity allows for less interference and manipulation of their vote, but that could just as easily be untrue behind the scenes. Itʻs hard to say what is the right course of action, because in some ways this American system does make it quite difficult for true tyrannical dictators to take over (despite how people and the media portray the presidents).
I feel the electoral college is less important of a thing that needs change than the simple fact that we have too few political parties. Iʻm saying we need a 3rd party, but if I was honest I would like to see more. Maybe even 50 parties (each from their respective state). So as to make it more difficult for them to manipulate the people into this left/right us/them paradigm while also making them more responsible for their actions as they would have less of a leg to stand on when trying to blame the other party for their shortcomings. Kinda hard to blame 49 other groups for your fuck up and still be taken seriously. lol
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Tone down the racism, please. I'd hate to have to moderate you.
pretty sure he was being facetious, ya old fart.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28362099 - 06/16/23 12:39 PM (7 months, 8 days ago) |
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You never answered my question about which specific public school system you claim is teaching that distorted black history to. Could someone else ask RJtubs? They may have me ignored.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Enlil said: Tone down the racism, please. I'd hate to have to moderate you.
pretty sure he was being facetious, ya old fart. 
No, he's not.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Enlil said: Tone down the racism, please. I'd hate to have to moderate you.
pretty sure he was being facetious, ya old fart. 
That doesn't make it any less vile of racist drivel.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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Which part? lmao
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28362112 - 06/16/23 12:47 PM (7 months, 8 days ago) |
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All of it.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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lol
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28362373 - 06/16/23 05:04 PM (7 months, 8 days ago) |
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i didnt read it as satire either.
maybe it was good satire. but idk... seemed real enough.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28380932 - 07/01/23 03:01 AM (6 months, 24 days ago) |
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UPDATED STATS
INDEPENDENTS = 10 DEMOCRATS = 7
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28381135 - 07/01/23 08:21 AM (6 months, 24 days ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Yeah it forces you to build a coalition. [Third party] builds coalition with Democrats in return for single payer healthcare, etc. No more holding the (relatively) progressive voter base hostage with two right wing parties.
Hypothetically, I think that progressive 3rd party would lead to a center right 4th party which could easily be the most popular given American tastes. The least progressive Democrats might not really want e.g. single payer and see more common ground with moderate Republicans. If that party didn't win the extreme right would. Also if that 4th party had a chance they would get corporate funding, and money is always a barrier for the left.
The democrats already exist, though. They don’t have the historical bona fides of socialism like Labour does in the UK.
Regardless, you’re right. A viable third party won’t suddenly defuse capital’s stranglehold on electoral politics. It will just make things slightly more democratic.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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I don't profess to believe that a 3rd party president will do much; especially at the start. But perhaps it will give Americans hope again that change can happen. Albeit likely too slow for most of us.
At a certain point when you have two abusive parents someone else might need to step in to help calm things down. That's my hope.
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#28381912 - 07/01/23 10:44 PM (6 months, 23 days ago) |
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There won't be one
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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no disrespect, but how old are you Sir?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Old enough to know what he's talking about.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
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Not to disrespect history and wisdom, they are more favorite subjects, and I'm probably gonna get a degree in anthropology (here beofre teh anthropology degree is trash jokes); however, many old man have failed to see the way of the future.
It's only natural as they have been so conditioned to the past.
Similar to a prisoner who has been institutionalized.
Or someone experiencing Stockholm syndrome.
And I mean no disrespect, for I surely had been fooled by Alex Jones for quite some time.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#28382079 - 07/02/23 05:46 AM (6 months, 23 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Old enough to know what he's talking about.
most of the time he just googles definitions in an attempt to derail otherwise good discussions dont make it more than it is...
in this one case enlil, isnt wrong, its unlikely that we will have a 3rd party president. it would take someone with alot of charm...more than trump.
i doubt obama could have pulled it off. the money in politics keeps the 3rd rail off the tracks for fear they could no longer control the masses if the masses controlled them.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
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A prisoner who has been institutionalized is a good metaphor. But when it comes to actual voting numbers we're all locked in.
You're right about the money. It only makes sense for big donors to fund the two parties that have the power to make policy. Money and power are always related, sometimes more directly and other times less like having all the judges. How many judges have the Green Party appointed or gotten elected?
The one thing the two parties agree the most on is that there shouldn't be more than two parties.
The 3rd party idea gets danced around every 4 years and gets no results (only exception being George Wallace winning 43 electoral votes for unapologetic racism). The concept seems to be new ideas, except they aren't new. Just the same old "new" ideas that didn't win elections before.
A lot of charm helps, but it's not enough to effect much real change. Bernie Sanders wasn't going to win even if he looked and sounded like------insert name of most charming actor or public figure. JFK did edge out Nixon because of charm, but we'll never know if he would have produced real change or was just good at talking about it like Obama.
I'm assuming the discussion about 3rd parties was in reference to the progressive possibilities it might offer. This country resists that period. Major shifts to the right aren't so unlikely. Trump could have a viable 3rd party chance of winning, even though it would just be about him and not another party. It could happen if Biden seems healthy enough until he's not, and it's too late for plan B.
I think historically, 3rd party candidates have done better when they're essentially running for President, without an actual party. Other than John Anderson they made up a party name as a formality but didn't really try to form a party. This leaves the two party system intact.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
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To be viable, the 3rd party has to soak up enough voters from one of the majors to kill it off and replace it. It has happened but it isn't like it happens all the time and that just resets the collusion clock, it doesn't eliminate the duopoly.
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I'll vote for RFK in the primary just to fuck with Biden's numbers
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ballsalsa said: To be viable, the 3rd party has to soak up enough voters from one of the majors to kill it off and replace it...
It's arguable that Trump did just that, the republicans have been shifted into the Trump party.
Maybe if both Trump and Biden died right before the election, and a charismatic 3rd party candidate popped up just in time, maybe it could happen.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Lynnch]
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ballsalsa said: To be viable, the 3rd party has to soak up enough voters from one of the majors to kill it off and replace it...
It's arguable that Trump did just that, the republicans have been shifted into the Trump party.
Maybe if both Trump and Biden died right before the election, and a charismatic 3rd party candidate popped up just in time, maybe it could happen.
I would agree, Trump divided the republican party and exposed the reality that chuck schumer and mitch mcconnel are equally invested in the status quo
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336 said: Not to disrespect history and wisdom, they are more favorite subjects, and I'm probably gonna get a degree in anthropology (here beofre teh anthropology degree is trash jokes); however, many old man have failed to see the way of the future.
It's only natural as they have been so conditioned to the past.
Similar to a prisoner who has been institutionalized.
Or someone experiencing Stockholm syndrome.
And I mean no disrespect, for I surely had been fooled by Alex Jones for quite some time.
Even if everything you say above is correct, that does not amount to a viable argument that I'm incorrect. A paranoid person can actually have people against him/her. A schizophrenic can actually hear real voices. A racist can love a person of another race.
All you're doing is attempting to cast doubt on my opinion based on an irrelevant personal trait of mine. That is the very definition of an ad hominem argument.
Do better.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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The 2 party system doesn't want 3 parties ...fact
They do agree on one other thing atleast which us the military industrial complex... both sides are Gung ho fund new toys at great costs ...
Third party would question some things ... spending ...being at yhe top and waste coming in second ... they can't pass a real audit but mutually corrupt audits go well
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The MIC employs a lot of Americans. Without it, entire towns would fail.
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Why can't the government fund the manufacture of non-military widgets?
Edit: Personally, I think the government should take some missile money and subsidize private pond improvements that reduce or eliminate the conditions necessary for mosquito reproduction. It's like, for public health and stuff
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Are you saying they can't fund the manufacture of non-military widgets?
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My neighbor has one of those damn mosquito ponds!
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Write your congressman and tell em you want him to divert some sweet military money to your neighbor. Everyone wins, nobody dies.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: The MIC employs a lot of Americans. Without it, entire towns would fail.
im not saying that we stop making the toys.
im saying we go back to MIT making the toys instead of boeing.... when the missiles are made by MIT then kids get good instruction for free.
when missiles are made by lockheed... lockheed executives get yachts for free.
one of these things benefits the country a lot more... neither put whole towns out of business like you say with a complete lack of thought or experience.
we did the same shift in the 50s... feeder programs for bell labs closed and were shifted into new sectors....overtime the money dried up and college wasnt free anymore... same can happen in reverse. when its free it does a better job at capturing academics and creating new ideas. money into the university systems would fuel progress.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28382810 - 07/02/23 04:23 PM (6 months, 23 days ago) |
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There you go putting words in my mouth again...
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
#28382836 - 07/02/23 04:47 PM (6 months, 23 days ago) |
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Enlil said: There you go putting words in my mouth again...
there you go misrepresenting facts again...
the same number of americans would be employed in my schenerio, maybe even an increase in jobs...
this place was great last week...btw.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28390927 - 07/09/23 11:22 PM (6 months, 15 days ago) |
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UPDATED STATS
INDEPENDENTS STILL IN THE LEAD 10-7
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28470335 - 09/15/23 05:43 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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So on the real tho, who else gonna vote 3rd party with me? I've voted democrat and republican both twice now. I think it's time for me at least to give another group a chance.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336] 1
#28470345 - 09/15/23 05:57 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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Nah... you got it covered
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
#28470530 - 09/15/23 09:48 PM (4 months, 10 days ago) |
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shoooooot
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28470690 - 09/16/23 03:04 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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3rd Parties. Idealistically yes. Realistically no. Same as it ever was.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28470697 - 09/16/23 03:23 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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yah but extrapolate 100 years into the future where people vote more and more for other parties than the dems and reps. in time change could happen. but not if we surrender and focus all our efforts on destroying "our enemy"...
p.s. i'm like 10 shots of rum in, so yah...
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28470710 - 09/16/23 04:10 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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I don't think there's any favorable data to extrapolate. p.s. I'm mixing bloody marys into my beer rotation, and just recut my last 3 lines to make them into 4.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
#28470741 - 09/16/23 06:16 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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hhahahahah i'm drinking rum like crazy; did a line of crystal (over a few hours bumping it) and I agree the chance of a 3rd party winning this election is close to zero. But, perhaps over multiple campaigns, the percentage might increase and lead the USA into a political position of more than two parties. otherwise i fear another civil war is inevitable. tho it might by more cyber and economic / etc. than physical.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336] 1
#28470753 - 09/16/23 06:34 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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the people in power do not want to dilute the power they have because then certain voices would be heard that they would like to supress.
so 3rd parties have a long ways to go before any would be allowed to be relivant.
it would take mostly a threat of uprising, or the removal of a sector of society before 3rd parties were allowed to speak freely without being squashed by the machanisms in place to prevent things "from getting out of control"
you knwo whatever that means.
if a third party gets 30 percent then they will panic and start putting up further barriers.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28470759 - 09/16/23 06:46 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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If a third party gets 30% they will panic. No argument with that. The establishment is also not losing any sleep over it. When did they get 10%?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#28470784 - 09/16/23 07:32 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: If a third party gets 30% they will panic. No argument with that. The establishment is also not losing any sleep over it. When did they get 10%?
ross perot got like 18 percent and made both parties panic.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28470786 - 09/16/23 07:37 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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infact ross perot is a fine example of how 3rd party oppression will and does happen.
ross perot would have won the election if he was given fair treatment. but as an loser shook the foundations of the system but then people realized how much money it cost to get 18 percent of the vote and calmed the fuck down.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28470841 - 09/16/23 08:49 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Perot had no actual chance of winning. He had some bold ideas and solid rhetoric, but he also came across as really wacky at times. Even his supporters were saying things like, "he can hire someone to handle international relations." In the end, the nation wasn't ready for that level of crazy. Trump got in at the right time.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
#28470848 - 09/16/23 08:55 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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Enlil said: Perot had no actual chance of winning. He had some bold ideas and solid rhetoric, but he also came across as really wacky at times. Even his supporters were saying things like, "he can hire someone to handle international relations." In the end, the nation wasn't ready for that level of crazy. Trump got in at the right time.
your perception of his wackiness is just the examples of the suppression of his voice.
people in power use all kinds of tactics to keep the power balance where they are comfortable. if you are unaware of this you arent very self aware.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28470852 - 09/16/23 08:57 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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its always funny when the idiots quote the propaganda as the reason the propaganda isnt the proaganda.
i needed a good laugh.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28470854 - 09/16/23 08:58 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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your perception of his wackiness is just the examples of the suppression of his voice.
Suppression? I heard him talk. He was wacky. Where's the suppression?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
#28470863 - 09/16/23 09:05 AM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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your perception of his wackiness is just the examples of the suppression of his voice.
Suppression? I heard him talk. He was wacky. Where's the suppression?
and you heard a bunch of people make a zeitgeist about how wacky it was...blah blah blah
again, maybe you have no clue that advertisements on tv are brainwashing you... maybe you think that log cabin corn syrupt IS better than the real thing....
who knows.
im sure you arent brainwashed one bit enlil.... how could you be... you so smart
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28471653 - 09/16/23 08:46 PM (4 months, 9 days ago) |
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What people, and what did they say? What evidence do you have that I heard anyone say a single fucking thing about Perot?
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
#28471914 - 09/17/23 05:43 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Brian Jones said: If a third party gets 30% they will panic. No argument with that. The establishment is also not losing any sleep over it. When did they get 10%?
ross perot got like 18 percent and made both parties panic.
You got me. He got almost 19% which was highest since 1902. He didn't get any electoral votes. The Perot effect did cause Clinton to get well under a majority of the popular vote, although a huge win over H. Bush in the electoral college.
I don't know what you mean by Perot would have won if given fair treatment. He was a billionaire. I'm agreeing with Enlil's two assessments that Perot would have done better in current political conditions with no favorable candidates from the major parties, and that Perot hurt himself with wacky statements. Bill Clinton had tons of charisma and Bush had a quick victory in the first gulf war. Perot said that the Viet Cong hired the Black Panthers to assassinate him in the 60's. There was no supporting evidence. During the campaign he said that Bush and the Republican Party conspired to disrupt his daughter's wedding in Texas. So he dropped out of the race for several weeks and then returned.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28471918 - 09/17/23 05:51 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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If you live in a predominant blue or red state where your vote is already drowned out you really should vote 3rd party just to upset the balance.
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I do not understand the big impetus to disrupt? I would think picking of our choices to make it work as well as possible would be a much better goal. Disruption might be a bit over rated if it gives no clue of what you end up with. It seems that was kind of tried with trump and we ended up with the worst president yet.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: gww] 1
#28472016 - 09/17/23 07:48 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Around half the population thought we shouldn't disrupt the status quo regarding Parliament and the monarchy. It's always a judgement call and you'll never know until after the fact whether it was a good idea at a given time and place but nibbling around the margins doesn't produce big progress on human lifetime timescales. Voting unconditionally doesn't hold anyone accountable. To some degree you have to be willing to take the hit if you want any political entity to represent your interests. Sometimes that will play out in your favor long term and sometimes you'll end up with Trump.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28472021 - 09/17/23 07:59 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Was it a good thing? We would have socialized healthcare, slavery would have been abolished in 1833 as opposed to 1865.
Real talk about the revolution, a bunch of rich dudes were pissed that a company got to undercut their illegal tea smuggling operation. Lot of poor people died so rich people could get richer.
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Lot of poor people died so rich people could get richer
That's an accurate description of probably every war ever.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Ice9]
#28472035 - 09/17/23 08:09 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28472047 - 09/17/23 08:20 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Around half the population thought we shouldn't disrupt the status quo regarding Parliament and the monarchy. It's always a judgement call and you'll never know until after the fact whether it was a good idea at a given time and place but nibbling around the margins doesn't produce big progress on human lifetime timescales. Voting unconditionally doesn't hold anyone accountable. To some degree you have to be willing to take the hit if you want any political entity to represent your interests. Sometimes that will play out in your favor long term and sometimes you'll end up with Trump.
I agree with everything you said. The question here is what is currently affecting your life so bad that it is worth the risk of disruption that might effect you in real ways. Are the problems now able to be addressed playing the margins with out added risk? Health care? Is one party making enough incremental improvement to just keep pegging away at it or taking the chance with pure disruption are you really sabotaging your own position. It is all math.
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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
#28472231 - 09/17/23 10:21 AM (4 months, 8 days ago) |
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Enlil said: What people, and what did they say? What evidence do you have that I heard anyone say a single fucking thing about Perot?
i see you trolling. and im ackknowledging it, just so you know im not ignoring YOU... but im ignoring it when you troll senselessly and make the world a much worse place. if you are going to argue from ignorance i not going to engage with you about it... talk like adults do casually.. or just stop responding to me at all. or you'll keep getting nothing from me when you troll. unless THIS reply is what you are after and if so... kodos... you got it
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