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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: mycosis]
    #28357195 - 06/12/23 02:44 PM (7 months, 12 days ago)

I couldn't vote yet but I probably would have supported these losers in 96 and 2000:




I was a weird kid.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28357226 - 06/12/23 03:04 PM (7 months, 12 days ago)

My girlfriend was big in the Buchanan Youth as I like to call it.

It’s hard to believe we’ve made it together so long.
She says I’m the crunchiest most granola dude she ever dated.

I did trick her into voting Obama in 2008 though. An accomplishment I’m most proud of.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: mycosis]
    #28357237 - 06/12/23 03:10 PM (7 months, 12 days ago)

I couldn't vote, but '96 would have been a tough year.  That was post NAFTA which would have made voting Clinton harder, but he was way better than Bob Dole and voting 3rd party would not have happened after I had seen this:


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Ice9]
    #28359347 - 06/14/23 09:14 AM (7 months, 10 days ago)

Now that Cornel West got shamed into distancing himself from the People’s Party and is running as a Green, he’ll have my vote.

Not that it will matter because the GOP nominee will win Florida by 200k votes but yeah. Been saying it for 20 years but maybe a third party candidate will finally reach 5% of the national vote and get that federal funding. Bernie got shit for running as a Dem but the primary debates and coverage is the only reason he skyrocketed in popularity. It’s gonna be difficult for West to make hay, because the entire media apparatus will ignore him.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28359351 - 06/14/23 09:18 AM (7 months, 10 days ago)

People’s Party is definitely stoked about it





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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
    #28359462 - 06/14/23 11:20 AM (7 months, 10 days ago)

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A President has no ability to change the Constitution, dude.




I asked, "Did Obama address eliminating the electoral college?"

Did Obama promote the idea that eliminating the electoral college is a noble, fair, and righteous goal?  I don't know the answer, which is why I asked.  If a president thinks the constitution should be changed, they should present their rationale to the US citizens. 

Has Biden ever admitted he'd like to get rid of the electoral college?


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28359473 - 06/14/23 11:29 AM (7 months, 10 days ago)

The power of the president, besides the unilateral authority to decimate all life on earth, largely resides in the bully pulpit.

Sure, Obama can’t just sign an EO that abolishes the EC, but he can absolutely promote its abolition.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28359476 - 06/14/23 11:33 AM (7 months, 10 days ago)

And has Obama or Biden ever promoted the abolition of the electoral college?


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #28359481 - 06/14/23 11:35 AM (7 months, 10 days ago)

Yeah, but a sitting president has benefited personally from the electoral system by definition and thus has less incentive to advocate an overhaul.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28359483 - 06/14/23 11:36 AM (7 months, 10 days ago)

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And has Obama or Biden ever promoted the abolition of the electoral college?




They probably made a couple token statements on the campaign trail or in passing, but actually promoted? No.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28360162 - 06/14/23 08:56 PM (7 months, 10 days ago)

UPDATED STATS
2 REPUBLICAN
7 DEMOCRAT
9 INDEPENDENT
2 NO VOTE

Yo, if all the fkn dems would just vote 3rd party we could potentially see a 3rd party president within the next 10 years. As it stands, if it was up to the shroomery, according to this poll so far, a 3rd party candidate is still in the lead and would win.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28360167 - 06/14/23 08:59 PM (7 months, 10 days ago)

Sorry nobody won 270 electoral votes so the election goes to the house who votes for the Republican candidate. Thanks electoral college


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
    #28360173 - 06/14/23 09:07 PM (7 months, 10 days ago)

I hear your point. If I recall correctly the electoral college was put in place as a compromise between the large and the small states or something like that yeah? A way to 'balance' the power between the 'powerful' and the 'weak' so to speak. Then again it seems to have the power to do the opposite as well. Especially when those electors aren't righteous and don't truly respect their role. Still, I think that if the popular vote for a 3rd party candidate begins to steadily increase over the next few decades we could see a shift in American politics. We'll never know if we don't try. And tbh from what I can tell america goes back and forth between the reds and the blues every 4-8 years regardless, so does it really matter to a red if the blues win or the blues if the reds win. shit stays gridlocked for the most part anyways. most of all this political shit is show and bluster is it not? That said, i'd like to at least try for a 3rd party. At least then in the future it would force the reds and the blues to actually do something for people rather than just accuse the other side of being 'evil' and that they will destroy america if they win again. lol feel me koods? or nah? probably nah... lol :tongue2:


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28360184 - 06/14/23 09:12 PM (7 months, 10 days ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

Enlil said:

A President has no ability to change the Constitution, dude.




I asked, "Did Obama address eliminating the electoral college?"

Did Obama promote the idea that eliminating the electoral college is a noble, fair, and righteous goal?  I don't know the answer, which is why I asked.  If a president thinks the constitution should be changed, they should present their rationale to the US citizens. 

Has Biden ever admitted he'd like to get rid of the electoral college?



Obama certainly did


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
    #28360604 - 06/15/23 08:57 AM (7 months, 9 days ago)

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Sorry nobody won 270 electoral votes so the election goes to the house who votes for the Republican candidate. Thanks electoral college




Ideally we abolish the electoral college and the senate, and adopt a parliamentary system to avoid all that shit.

Pragmatically, the only way a third party run for president stands a chance in hell of succeeding is by first building the party to the point it represents a sizeable chunk of the legislature.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28360734 - 06/15/23 11:49 AM (7 months, 9 days ago)

If we were have 3 equally competitive parties and the vote was split 3 ways 66 to 70% of the voters would always feel like they are getting screwed .


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28360764 - 06/15/23 12:05 PM (7 months, 9 days ago)

That won't happen for a bunch of reasons but thats probably why he mentioned a parliamentary system


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #28360826 - 06/15/23 01:05 PM (7 months, 9 days ago)

Yeah it forces you to build a coalition. [Third party] builds coalition with Democrats in return for single payer healthcare, etc. No more holding the (relatively) progressive voter base hostage with two right wing parties.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28360827 - 06/15/23 01:06 PM (7 months, 9 days ago)

is Bernie running again?


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #28361442 - 06/15/23 08:21 PM (7 months, 9 days ago)

No


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