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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28344737 - 06/02/23 05:44 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

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And then everyone clapped.



Like I said, no one clapped. In fact I was shunned afterwards for it.



That's because of your hypocrisy.  You claimed to not believe in division and to prove it you separated yourself from everyone both physically and by your virtue signaling.  You practiced division while simultaneously implicitly criticizing it in others.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
    #28344762 - 06/02/23 06:01 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

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And then everyone clapped.



Like I said, no one clapped. In fact I was shunned afterwards for it.



That's because of your hypocrisy.  You claimed to not believe in division and to prove it you separated yourself from everyone both physically and by your virtue signaling.  You practiced division while simultaneously implicitly criticizing it in others.




Touche. That is one interpretation of the event.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28344866 - 06/02/23 07:26 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

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Itʻs only a matter of time. An independent candidate isnʻt going to win if people keep refusing to vote for one. All I know is Iʻm sick of both the republicans and the democrats. Iʻm not gonna be fear mongered into voting for either of them again. even if my vote is ʻwastedʻ. lol



I get it more power to you but I think a 3rd party winning the DNC nomination or the RNC nomination will never happen. I don't trust either of those parties to "eventually" give up control to someone they can't control. I blame the 2 party system. I remember feeling like you did but I think it's an illusion.

Also you said you voted for Trump to stick it to the elitists that play the 2 party system but Trump was absolutely no different as much as he wanted you to believe no one was controlling him it was obvious that the moment he became president he fell lock step in line with the GOP and he himself is about as much of an elite as you can get.

I don't look down on you for your views I just don't think there's an "out" from this situation as much as you want there to be


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #28344884 - 06/02/23 07:40 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

I feel you. But I believe that itʻs possible. Itʻs just going to take time.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28345297 - 06/03/23 06:14 AM (7 months, 21 days ago)

3rd party's not going to happen. Our two party political system is deeply entrenched part and parcel American capitalism as a whole. And our's is completely interlinked with Western capitalism with Asian counterparts. Even China (and other Asian communists with major market economies) will for a long time see more benefits than not in our "unsustainable" system sustaining for decades at least. We are the consumer market for China et al, and China buys the bonds keeping us afloat.

If that seems off topic, it's not. I don't want to sound all Marxist, but history seems to show that our economic system dictates our two party political system, and depending on your point of view, an appearance of democracy or maybe quite a bit of democracy, but clearly within the boundaries of capitalist interests. 3rd parties would challenge those boundaries.

Same as always, a 3rd party could be a spoiler and help swing an election but that's all.
I'm only talking about real 3rd parties. Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul have always identified their ideological true identities, but pragmatically attach themselves Dems and GOP respectively. Despite some progressive voter's outrage, Bernie knew exactly what he was getting into running for President as a Democrat. Better some chance than no chance.

It's possible a candidate could last minute run as a "3rd party" and win because of our (particularly recently and especially right now) dismal choices, but that opportunism is different than a real 3rd party.

When/if our economy falls apart there's a power vacuum and anything's possible. IMO more reason to be fearful than hopeful. I've said this before and it's not popular, but our middle of the road has been our best defense against the far right, because we don't have the progressive/left organization or history that Western and Northern Europe has. Our right is ready for action.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28346277 - 06/03/23 07:57 PM (7 months, 21 days ago)

the two party system is ruining everythig.


3 more parties would fix alot.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28347075 - 06/04/23 01:09 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

UPDATED STATS:
0 REPUBLICANS
4 DEMOCRATS
5 INDEPENDENTS
2 NO VOTE


INDEPENDENTS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE LEAD.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28347099 - 06/04/23 01:32 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

I'm voting for Ythan. :crankey:


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
    #28347803 - 06/05/23 03:34 AM (7 months, 19 days ago)

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the two party system is ruining everythig.


3 more parties would fix alot.





So very true. Unless something changes to break the cycle ,everything will continue to decline.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Mithorn] * 1
    #28347822 - 06/05/23 04:43 AM (7 months, 19 days ago)

300 plus million people. Two political parties. 21st century.

Any wonder there’s a serious problem?

Change it. The United States is certainly not alone amongst comparable democracies vis a vee a leading tussle between two major blocks, but almost all of the rest have independent and greens/liberal parties who, at various times and points in history, garner meaningful levels of support—so much so as to deny a leviathan of another dose of ultra vanilla and force it to compromise, shift and even entirely alter certain policies—and from where I sit this can only be a good thing.

Choice or conflict. People don’t want left and right. They want up and down and twirling too. The whole world is technicolor, not red and blue or black and white.

A child understands this.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Milleresque]
    #28347918 - 06/05/23 07:47 AM (7 months, 19 days ago)

The majority of children do not.  It is very rare to find anyone under 20 who sees anything other than a dichotomy between competing extremes


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28348164 - 06/05/23 12:06 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

i think ranked choice would also step in the right direction.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: rxb]
    #28348363 - 06/05/23 02:46 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

It's also the only step we can take, mathematically speaking.

Until ranked choice voting becomes a thing, or even plurality voting, there will be only two parties. The only way a third party can exist under the current system is by cannibalizing one of the existing parties.

Which is why you often see a third party spoiler candidate designed to dilute votes for democrats.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Mithorn]
    #28348388 - 06/05/23 03:12 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

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the two party system is ruining everythig.


3 more parties would fix alot.





So very true. Unless something changes to break the cycle ,everything will continue to decline.




You have to get rid of the electoral college system, but republicans will never allow that because it’s the only way they can win


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
    #28348815 - 06/05/23 08:26 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

Without it, a lot of states would basically have no voice in who becomes president.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: Enlil]
    #28348871 - 06/05/23 09:07 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

One person one vote


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: koods]
    #28348908 - 06/05/23 09:47 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

That's how it's always been.


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28348993 - 06/05/23 11:45 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

UPDATED STATS
0 REPUBLICAN
4 DEMOCRAT
6 INDEPENDENT
2 NO VOTE

Yo... Could we actually elect an independent candidate sooner than I expected??


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: 336]
    #28349223 - 06/06/23 06:52 AM (7 months, 18 days ago)

Probably not


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Re: Anyone plan on voting 3rd party? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28349262 - 06/06/23 07:40 AM (7 months, 18 days ago)

Yeah, the actual stats are 4R, 4D, 4 No Vote


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