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Etymology 3
#28343237 - 06/01/23 03:22 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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This thread is for anything etymology related! Over the past year or so I really had developed a fascination with finding out the origins of last names and first names , and that had ultimately led to word etymology across the board!
If you would like to share any cool tidbits of etymology please share! Any language is fine!
I'll share the one I learned today, what had lead me to it was I've been learning Spanish recently and I saw on a spray paint can the word , contiene ( I've been randomly trying to read Spanish on products that have translations)
Which tiene/tienes in Spanish is has/have , con is with , with-having it's obvious our word contains and contiene have a Latin origin and thusly
contain (v.) c. 1300, "restrain (someone), control (oneself), behave (in a certain way)," from Old French contein-, tonic stem of contenir, from Latin continere (transitive) "to hold together, enclose," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + tenere "to hold" (from PIE root *ten- "to stretch").
I will add some more etymology later! I've got many in mind that I've already discovered that I think are worth adding

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Re: Etymology [Re: Hertz] 2
#28344506 - 06/02/23 01:50 PM (7 months, 22 days ago) |
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The etymology of etymology
That John allegro story is quite interesting, seems he isn't considered an "scholar" or "academic" after his book he has an interesting theory though
Thanks for joining hertz! Gnarly etymology book please share some of your favorites!
I will share a few here
Who loves to paint on a
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canvas (n.) "sturdy cloth made from hemp or flax," mid-14c., from Anglo-French canevaz, Old North French canevach, Old French chanevaz "canvas," literally "made of hemp, hempen," noun use of Vulgar Latin adjective *cannapaceus "made of hemp," from Latin cannabis, from Greek kannabis "hemp," a Scythian or Thracian word (see cannabis).
 
I work with automated robotic machines and a coworker told me this one that he knew! (He's definitely a "bookworm" so to speak)
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robot (n.) 1923, "mechanical person," also "person whose work or activities are entirely mechanical," from the English translation of the 1920 play "R.U.R." ("Rossum's Universal Robots") by Karel Capek (1890-1938), from Czech robotnik "forced worker," from robota "forced labor, compulsory service, drudgery," from robotiti "to work, drudge," from an Old Czech source akin to Old Church Slavonic rabota "servitude," from rabu "slave" (from Old Slavic *orbu-, from PIE *orbh- "pass from one status to another;" see orphan).
Now for some spiritual related textbook etymology!
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The Sanskrit term Upaniṣad originally meant “connection” or “equivalence,[27] but came to be understood as "sitting near a teacher,"[27] from upa "by" and ni-ṣad "sit down",[28] "sitting down near", referring to the student sitting down near the teacher while receiving spiritual knowledge.(Gurumukh)[29] Other dictionary meanings include "esoteric doctrine" and "secret doctrine". Monier-Williams' Sanskrit Dictionary notes – "According to native authorities, Upanishad means setting to rest ignorance by revealing the knowledge of the supreme spirit."[30]
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Wow very interesting on the forage and foray
According to ancestry I have some ~40% Scottish ancestry
So if I'm reading that correctly, it was raids or expeditions as in pillaging others land and produce etc .
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Nice! Interesting 
It's contradictory in a way and I like that , conceal being contradictory to the make someone aware or introduce
So to keep secret or to spread this beautiful knowledge? I've come to the liking of the term "finding breadcrumbs" of the divine nature of the cosmos I think that's a good way to put it , we are all in this together no matter what we know think or believe , yet we can all find these little breadcrumbs left throughout all the ancient books and philosophical knowledge to lead us back home to the source
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Nectar is derived from Greek νεκταρ, the fabled drink of eternal life. Some derive the word from νε- or νη- "not" plus κτα- or κτεν- "kill", meaning "unkillable", thus "immortal". The common use of the word "nectar" to refer to the "sweet liquid in flowers", is first recorded in AD 1600.
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Etymology. Amrita is composed of the negative prefix, अ a from Sanskrit meaning 'not', and mṛtyu meaning 'death' in Sanskrit, thus meaning 'not death' or 'immortal/deathless'. The concept of an immortality drink is attested in at least two ancient Indo-European languages: Ancient Greek and Sanskrit.
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1798, "common hemp," from Cannabis, Modern Latin plant genus named (1728), from Greek kannabis "hemp," a Scythian or Thracian word. That word is also source of Armenian kanap', Albanian kanep, Russian konoplja, Persian kanab, Lithuanian kanapės "hemp," and English canvas and possibly hemp. In reference to use of the plant parts as an intoxicant, from 1848. Related: Cannabic. also from 1798
Old English hænep "hemp, cannabis sativa," from Proto-Germanic *hanapiz (source also of Old Saxon hanap, Old Norse hampr, Old High German hanaf, German Hanf), probably a very early Germanic borrowing of the same Scythian word that became Greek kannabis (see cannabis). As the name of the fiber made from the plant, by c. 1300. Slang sense of "marijuana" dates from 1940s; scientific applications for the narcotic derived from hemp date to 1870.
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Greek
Old English Grēcas ‘the Greeks’, from Latin Graeci, the name given by the Romans to the people who called themselves the Hellenes, from Greek Graikoi, which according to Aristotle was the prehistoric name of the Hellenes.
I kinda wanna learn old anglisch it would be kinda kewl
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Re: Etymology [Re: syncro]
#28349602 - 06/06/23 01:36 PM (7 months, 18 days ago) |
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What does it say  
That could be fun?
I do know the þ(thorn) is pronounced "th" as in there or through or thorn
Funny Google translate detects Icelandic but doesn't translate it at all
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Inglis of Old: Request
User Can you speak in old English?
ChatGPT Of course! I can certainly try my best to emulate Old English for you. However, please keep in mind that my knowledge is based on modern English, so my imitation may not be completely accurate. Nevertheless, I shall endeavor to assist you in a manner befitting the archaic tongue. Pray, how may I be of service?
User How do you say , why is the world here at all
ChatGPT Verily, the question thou dost pose is one of profound nature. In the ancient tongue of Old English, one might express thy query thusly:
"Forþon hwi is þes werold hér ealra þinga?"
Mayhaps this rendition captures the essence of thy inquiry. Pray, let me know if there is aught else I may aid thee with.
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User Can you tell me how to pronounce that ?
ChatGPT Certainly! Here is a guide to pronouncing the Old English phrase:
"Forþon hwi is þes werold hér ealra þinga?"
"Forþon" is pronounced as "for-thon" with a soft "th" sound like in "thin." "hwi" is pronounced as "hwee" with a long "ee" sound. "is" is pronounced as "ees" with a long "ee" sound. "þes" is pronounced as "thes" with a soft "th" sound. "werold" is pronounced as "weh-rold" with a short "eh" sound. "hér" is pronounced as "hayer" with a long "ay" sound. "ealra" is pronounced as "eh-al-ra" with a short "eh" sound. "þinga" is pronounced as "thing-ga" with a hard "g" sound. Please note that this is a rough approximation based on modern English pronunciation conventions, as the original pronunciation of Old English may have varied.
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Re: Etymology [Re: Lithop] 2
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weird /wird/ Origin Old English wyrd ‘destiny’, of Germanic origin. The adjective (late Middle English) originally meant ‘having the power to control destiny’, and was used especially in the Weird Sisters, originally referring to the Fates, later the witches in Shakespeare's Macbeth ; the latter use gave rise to the sense ‘unearthly’ (early 19th century).
jinx /jiNGks/ Origin
early 20th century (originally US): probably a variant of jynx ‘wryneck’ (because the bird was used in witchcraft).
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Re: Etymology [Re: Lithop] 1
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Interesting! IIRC buddhi also means intellect 
Edit-Buddhi (Sanskrit: बुद्धि) is derived from the Vedic Sanskrit root Budh (बुध् ), which literally means "to wake, be awake, observe, heed, attend, learn, become aware of, to know, be conscious again".[1] The term appears extensively in Rigveda and other Vedic literature.[1] Buddhi means, states Monier Williams, the power to "form, retain concepts; intelligence, reason, intellect, mind", the intellectual faculty and the ability to "discern, judge, comprehend, understand" something.[1][3]
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I (pron.) 12c., a shortening of Old English ic, the first person singular nominative pronoun, from Proto-Germanic *ek (source also of Old Frisian ik, Old Norse ek, Norwegian eg, Danish jeg, Old High German ih, German ich, Gothic ik), from PIE *eg- "I," nominative form of the first person singular pronoun (source also of Sanskrit aham, Hittite uk, Latin ego (source of French Je), Greek ego, Russian ja, Lithuanian aš).
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Anybody ever tried a cybs salt tek?
context (n.) early 15c., "a composition, a chronicle, the entire text of a writing," from Latin contextus "a joining together," originally past participle of contexere "to weave together," from assimilated form of com "with, together" (see con-) + texere "to weave, to make" (from PIE root *teks- "to weave," also "to fabricate").
A classic that I cannot believe I've forgot to include!
psychedelic (adj.) occasionally psychodelic, "producing expanded consciousness through heightened awareness and feeling," 1956, of drugs, suggested by British-born Canadian psychiatrist Humphry Osmond in a letter to Aldous Huxley and used by Osmond in a scientific paper published the next year; from Greek psykhē "mind" (see psyche) + dēloun "make visible, reveal" (from dēlos "visible, clear," from PIE root *dyeu- "to shine").
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Re: Etymology [Re: syncro] 2
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Nice syncro! Very cool 
Ahh yes -slav I learned that one from my research into Scandinavian history , it has to do with the enslavement of the Slavic people by the Norsemen IIRC
existence (n.) late 14c., "reality," from Old French existence, from Medieval Latin existentia/exsistentia, from existentem/exsistentem (nominative existens/exsistens) "existent," present participle of Latin existere/exsistere "stand forth, come out, emerge; appear, be visible, come to light; arise, be produced; turn into," and, as a secondary meaning, "exist, be;" from ex "forth" (see ex-) + sistere "cause to stand," from PIE *si-st-, reduplicated form of root *sta- "to stand, make or be firm."
To add on to the, to expand
Sanskrit (ब्रह्मन्) Brahman (an n-stem, nominative bráhma, from a root bṛh- "to swell, expand, grow, enlarge") is a neuter noun to be distinguished from the masculine brahmán—denoting a person associated with Brahman, and from Brahmā, the creator God in the Hindu Trinity, the Trimurti. Brahman is thus a gender-neutral concept that implies greater impersonality than masculine or feminine conceptions of the deity. Brahman is referred to as the supreme self. Puligandla states it as "the unchanging reality amidst and beyond the world",[24] while Sinar states Brahman is a concept that "cannot be exactly defined".[25]
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Re: Etymology [Re: syncro] 1
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Yes Brahmin is specifically a priestly caste (a varna https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varna_(Hinduism) While Brahman denotes more of a concept
I suppose one would say , he is a brahmin and he is brahman
Though being a brahmin is just a superimposition on consciousness 
 
I suppose even aham brahmasi is a superimposition, it's kind of like nirvana or the concept of letting things go and negating all concepts , which is itself a damned concept ! desiring to not desire
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path (n.) Old English paþ, pæþ "narrow passageway or route across land, a track worn by the feet of people or animals treading it," from West Germanic *patha- (source also of Old Frisian path, Middle Dutch pat, Dutch pad, Old High German pfad, German Pfad "path"), a word of uncertain origin, not attested in Old Norse or Gothic.
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Re: Etymology [Re: syncro] 1
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Definitely one of the reasons I think reality is so , paradoxical it's almost as if it's meant to not make total sense
concept (n.) "a general notion, the immediate object of a thought," 1550s, from Medieval Latin conceptum "draft, abstract," in classical Latin "(a thing) conceived," from concep-, past-participle stem of concipere "to take in and hold; become pregnant," from con-, here perhaps an intensive prefix (see con-), + combining form of capere "to take" (from PIE root *kap- "to grasp"). In some 16c. cases a refashioning of conceit, perhaps to avoid negative connotations that had begun to cling to that word.
conceive (v.) late 13c., conceiven, "take (seed) into the womb, become pregnant," from stem of Old French conceveir (Modern French concevoir), from Latin concipere (past participle conceptus) "to take in and hold; become pregnant" (source also of Spanish concebir, Portuguese concebre, Italian concepere), from con-, here perhaps an intensive prefix (see con-), + combining form of capere "to take" (from PIE root *kap- "to grasp").
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sneak (v.) 1550s (implied in sneakish), "creep or steal about privately; move or go in a stealthy, slinking way" (intransitive); perhaps from some dialectal survival of Middle English sniken "to creep, crawl" (c. 1200), which is from Old English snican "to sneak along, creep, crawl," from Proto-Germanic *sneikanan, which is related to the root of snail and snake (n.).
I think of the ouroborus
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Re: Etymology [Re: syncro] 3
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material (adj.) mid-14c., "real, ordinary; earthly, drawn from the material world" (contrasted with spiritual, mental, supernatural), a term in scholastic philosophy and theology, from Old French material, materiel (14c.) and directly from Late Latin materialis (adj.) "of or belonging to matter," from Latin materia "matter, stuff, wood, timber" (see matter (n.)).
Interesting 
matter (n.) c. 1200, materie, "the subject of a mental act or a course of thought, speech, or expression," from Anglo-French matere, Old French matere "subject, theme, topic; substance, content; character, education" (12c., Modern French matière) and directly from Latin materia "substance from which something is made," also "hard inner wood of a tree." According to de Vaan and Watkins, this is from mater "origin, source, mother" (see mother (n.1)). The sense developed and expanded in Latin in philosophy by influence of Greek hylē (see hylo-) "wood, firewood," in a general sense "material," used by Aristotle for "matter" in the philosophical sense.
Is it matter? Does it matter ? It's my mater ! Can I measure it?
measure (v.) early 14c., mesuren, "to exercise moderation;" mid-14c., "to deal out or divide up by measure," also "to ascertain spatial dimensions, quantity, or capacity of by comparison with a standard;" from Old French mesurer "measure; moderate, curb" (12c.), from Late Latin mensurare "to measure," from Latin mensura "a measuring, a measurement; thing to measure by," from mensus, past participle of metiri "to measure," from PIE root *me- (2) "to measure." The native verb is mete. Intransitive sense of "to be of a (specified) measure" is from 1670s. To measure up "have the necessary abilities" is 1910, American English. Related: Measured; measuring.
also from early 14c.
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catastrophe (n.) 1530s, "reversal of what is expected" (especially a fatal turning point in a drama, the winding up of the plot), from Latin catastropha, from Greek katastrophē "an overturning; a sudden end," from katastrephein "to overturn, turn down, trample on; to come to an end," from kata "down" (see cata-) + strephein "turn" (from PIE root *streb(h)- "to wind, turn"). The extension to "sudden disaster" is attested from 1748.
Absolutely cool , love the connection into drama and playwriting!
person (n.) c. 1200, persoun, "an individual, a human being," from Old French persone "human being, anyone, person" (12c., Modern French personne) and directly from Latin persona "human being, person, personage; a part in a drama, assumed character," originally "a mask, a false face," such as those of wood or clay, covering the whole head, worn by the actors in later Roman theater. OED offers the general 19c. explanation of persona as "related to" Latin personare "to sound through" (i.e. the mask as something spoken through and perhaps amplifying the voice), "but the long o makes a difficulty ...." Klein and Barnhart say it is possibly borrowed from Etruscan phersu "mask." De Vaan has no entry for it.
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ketchup (n.) 1680s, also spelled catsup which form first appeared in Jonathan Swift's 1730 poem A Panegyrick on the D--n. This spelling is still in use in U.S., influenced by cat and sup.
In some of the earliest uses described as an East Indian sauce made with fruits and spices, with spelling catchup. If this stated origin is correct, it might be from Tulu kajipu, meaning "curry" and said to derive from kaje, "to chew." Yet the word, usually spelled ketchup, is also described in early use as something resembling anchovies or soy sauce. It is said in modern sources to be from Malay (Austronesian) kichap, a fish sauce, possibly from Chinese koechiap "brine of fish," which, if correct, perhaps is from the Chinese community in northern Vietnam [Terrien de Lacouperie, in "Babylonian and Oriental Record," 1889, 1890].
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