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Of course etymology must again be included. I'm looking at them more often from when you guys started mentioning it.
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The word "etymology" is derived from the Greek term "etymologia," which combines two Greek roots: "etymon" (meaning "true sense" or "original meaning") and "logia" (meaning "study" or "discourse").
In Greek, "etymologia" referred to the study of the true or original meanings of words. It involved analyzing the roots, components, and historical development of words to understand their inherent meanings and linguistic connections.
The Greek root "etymon" can be further traced back to the Greek verb "etymos," which means "true" or "real." The concept of etymology revolves around uncovering the true or genuine origins and meanings of words.
Over time, the term "etymology" entered the English language and came to signify the study of the historical development, origins, and changes in word meanings and forms. It encompasses the investigation of linguistic evolution, word derivations, borrowings, and semantic shifts.
The etymology of "etymology" itself reflects the fundamental nature of the field, which is concerned with tracing the true sense and historical roots of words.
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That reminded of the Mrityunjaya mantra; jaya, being victory, over death, mrityu, a widely used mahamantra to Shiva, for healing, liberation, etc.
"Doesn't change the fact that I think people are hiding the truth under the rug about this thing."
I was almost making a post in the spiritual amnesia thread today considering the hiding influences within, the dynamics of forgetfulness, not to forget they are also without, if there is a difference.
Reminded of the quote, "What is this social base of perception, don Juan?" "The physical certainty that the world is made of concrete objects. I call this a social base because a serious and fierce effort is put out by everybody to guide us to perceive the world the way we do."
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þæt gehyrdþ wel lystig!
(totally cheated with AI)
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'That could be fun?' yeah, I thought lol. I have no idea what AI is doing here.
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"That is heard well brings joy and delight. Liveliness has the power to hold and accompany good thoughts, and it brings mirth to the soul. When one hears a clear sound, the mind is filled with happiness and appreciation. However, when something is heard well, it should also be protected and remembered for its craftsmanship and musicality, so that the work does not perish but continues to bring joy and harmonious song. Hearing is a good thing, but thought, understanding, and goodwill cannot be contained by it alone; they must follow if one desires or requires them or wishes to discern. Thus, one should share that which is heard with those in need, and lead liveliness in communal creation, so that good hearing may be well nurtured and heard."
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Þæt gehyrdþ wel lystig, þonne is gódum geþance and gelimpan. Lystignes hæfð anweald tó gehealdenne heortan and geferan, and þæt cennþ gleow on sefan. Þonne man gehyrþ þæt geholene sweg, þonne swengeþ þæt mód mid blisse and geþance. Ac þæt gehyrdþ wel, þonne sceal man þæt eac bewarian and gemunan þæs timbres and þæs sangcraeftes, þæt þæt geweorc ne losige, ac forþbringe lystum and sange gleawlice and smeðe. Gehyrdnes is gód ðing, ac geþanc and gewitnes and gódes willan ne mæg þæt ánhaga healdean, ac sceal him fylgan, gif hé þæt lyst and lufaþ, oþþe forðon þe hé hit behófaþ oþþe gesceadwisaþ. Þus cweþende, man sceal þæt gehyrd þearfum dælan, and lystignesse lædan on gesiþcundre gesceapenunge, þæt gehyrdnes wel geboren and gehýred weorþe. User pls respond in english
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That's weird.
Solstice, today! 
'The term "solstice" has its roots in Latin. It is derived from two Latin words: "sol" meaning "sun" and "sistere" meaning "to stand still." When combined, "solstice" literally translates to "sun stands still."'

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Holy cow. It reminds me when we were trying to figure what was meant by tantra, and a concept found was a weaving together.
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The term "tantra" has its origins in ancient Indian traditions and has been a subject of various interpretations and meanings over the centuries. The etymology of the word "tantra" is derived from Sanskrit, an ancient Indo-Aryan language.
The term "tantra" is believed to come from the root word "tan," which means "to expand," "to extend," or "to weave." This root word reflects the idea of weaving together different aspects of existence to create a holistic understanding or experience. It implies the weaving together of various techniques, practices, and concepts to achieve spiritual growth, liberation, or enlightenment.
Additionally, "tantra" can also be understood as a combination of two words: "tanoti" and "trayati." "Tanoti" means "to expand," "to stretch," or "to liberate," while "trayati" means "to protect" or "to free from bondage." This interpretation further emphasizes the idea of liberation or freedom from limitations through the expansion of consciousness.
Overall, the etymology of the term "tantra" suggests a concept of expanding and weaving together various aspects of life, practices, and knowledge to attain spiritual growth, liberation, and transcendence.
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As well, brahmin referring to the priestly class or kind of yogi. I didn't register at first but I guess we do use brahman to refer to a person high in that, different from the former and use of brahman as the ultimate itself.
Is that true? :headscratch: Saying that guy is a brahman, distinct from he is a brahmin.
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Re: Etymology [Re: syncro] 1
#28397403 - 07/16/23 09:11 AM (6 months, 9 days ago) |
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Re: Brahman, also we have

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The pathless path
Look, it cannot be seen - it is beyond form. Listen, it cannot be heard - it is beyond sound. Grasp, it cannot be held - it is intangible. These three are indefinable; Therefore they are joined in one
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The term "Tao" has its roots in Chinese philosophy and is associated with Taoism, also known as Daoism. The etymology of "Tao" can be traced back to ancient Chinese characters.
The character for "Tao" is 道 in simplified Chinese or 道 in traditional Chinese. It consists of two parts: 辶 (chuo) on the left side, representing walking or moving, and 首 (shou) on the right side, which originally meant "head" but later took on the meaning of "chief" or "beginning."
The character 道 (Tao) is a combination of these two elements, and its original meaning refers to a path, a way, or a road. In the context of Taoism, it represents the fundamental principle or the underlying cosmic order that governs the universe. It is often translated as "the Way" or "the Way of Nature."
The concept of Tao in Taoism encompasses notions of harmony, balance, naturalness, and the interconnectedness of all things. It implies living in accordance with the natural order and finding one's place within it. The Tao is often associated with the concept of non-action (wu wei), which emphasizes the idea of spontaneous and effortless action in harmony with the flow of the Tao.
Overall, the etymology of "Tao" reflects its fundamental meaning as a path or a way, and it encompasses a broader philosophical and metaphysical concept in Taoist philosophy.
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Or is pathless path more attributed to zen?
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The term "Zen" has its origins in East Asian Buddhism, particularly in the Chinese Chan tradition (known as "Seon" in Korean and "Thiền" in Vietnamese). The etymology of "Zen" can be traced back to its Chinese counterpart, "Chan" (禪).
The Chinese character 禪 (Chan) is composed of two parts: 示 (shi) on the left side, representing "altar" or "spiritual matters," and 䍃 (dan) on the right side, which originally meant "to work with silk threads." Together, they convey the idea of focusing one's mind on spiritual matters or engaging in meditation.
"Chan" was later introduced to Japan, where it became known as "Zen." The term "Zen" is derived from the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese character 禪 (Chan). Over time, Zen Buddhism developed its unique characteristics and practices in Japan, influenced by both Chinese Chan Buddhism and indigenous Japanese culture.
The essence of Zen is the direct experience and realization of one's true nature or Buddha nature through meditation and mindfulness. Zen emphasizes direct insight into the nature of reality beyond conceptual thinking, often through intensive meditation practices such as zazen (seated meditation) and koan study (paradoxical questions or statements meant to provoke insight).
In summary, "Zen" is the Japanese term for the Chinese word "Chan," which refers to a specific branch of Buddhism that emphasizes direct experiential insight and meditation. Its etymology suggests the focus on spiritual matters and the practice of meditation to attain profound realization.
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Re: Etymology [Re: syncro]
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"I suppose even aham brahmasi is a superimposition, it's kind of like nirvana or the concept of letting things go and negating all concepts , which is itself a damned concept ! desiring to not desire"
The correct concepts are cool to keep and use. (loving-like is eternal)
Judging them by their fruits, it is seen the good ones lead to peace or manolaya, annihilation (of superimposition), etc.
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Those sneaky concepts.
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I had recently been perusing materials seeing ouroboros.
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The origins of the Ouroboros symbol are not attributed to a specific time or culture, as similar symbols have appeared independently in various ancient civilizations throughout history. Here are some notable instances of the Ouroboros across different cultures:
Ancient Egypt: The Ouroboros symbol can be traced back to ancient Egyptian mythology and iconography. It is associated with the god Atum-Ra, who was often depicted as a serpent or a dragon biting its own tail. The Ouroboros represented the concept of cyclic renewal, creation, and the eternal nature of the universe.
Norse Mythology: In Norse mythology, the Ouroboros-like symbol called "Jormungandr" appears as a gigantic sea serpent that encircles the world and bites its own tail. Jormungandr is a prominent figure in Norse cosmology and is seen as a symbol of chaos, destruction, and the cycle of life and death.
Greek and Gnostic Traditions: The Ouroboros is closely associated with ancient Greek mythology and philosophy. It is believed to have originated from the teachings of the ancient Greek philosopher Heraclitus, who spoke of the eternal cyclical nature of the universe. The Gnostics, a mystical sect influenced by both Greek and Egyptian traditions, also adopted the Ouroboros as a symbol representing the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth.
Chinese and Hindu Mythologies: Similar circular serpent motifs can be found in Chinese and Hindu mythologies, although they are not strictly identical to the Ouroboros. In Chinese mythology, the dragon symbolizes cosmic power and often appears in a circular or coiled form. In Hindu mythology, the cosmic serpent Shesha, upon which the god Vishnu rests, is depicted in a circular or coiled shape.
The recurring theme of a serpent or dragon biting its own tail and symbolizing cyclic renewal and the interconnectedness of all things is found in diverse cultures worldwide. The specific term "Ouroboros" emerged from the ancient Greek tradition and has since been used to describe this symbol in various contexts.
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mother (n.1)
"female parent, a woman in relation to her child," Middle English moder, from Old English modor, from Proto-Germanic *mōdēr (source also of Old Saxon modar, Old Frisian moder, Old Norse moðir, Danish moder, Dutch moeder, Old High German muoter, German Mutter), from PIE *mater- "mother" (source also of Latin māter, Old Irish mathir, Lithuanian motė, Sanskrit matar-, Greek mētēr, Old Church Slavonic mati). Watkins writes that this is "based ultimately on the baby-talk form *mā- (2); with the kinship term suffix *-ter-." The spelling with -th- dates from early 16c., though that pronunciation is probably older (compare father (n.)).
The sense of "that which has given birth to anything" is from late Old English; as a familiar term of address to an elderly woman, especially of the lower class, by c. 1200.
Mother Nature as a personification is attested from c. 1600; mother earth as an expression of the earth as the giver of life is from 1580s. Mother tongue "one's native language" is attested from late 14c. Mother country "a country in relation to its colonies" is from 1580s. Mother-love "such affection as is shown by a mother" is by 1854. Mother-wit "native wit, common sense" is from mid-15c.
Mother of all ________ (1991), is Gulf War slang, from Saddam Hussein's use in reference to the coming battle; it is an Arabic idiom (as well as an English one); Ayesha, second wife of Muhammad, is known as Mother of Believers; the figure is attested in English in 19c. (Virginia is called mother of commonwealths from 1849). Mother Carey's chickens is late 18c. sailors' nickname for storm petrels, or for snowflakes.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/mother
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substance (n.)
c. 1300, "essential nature, real or essential part," from Old French sustance, substance "goods, possessions; nature, composition" (12c.), from Latin substantia "being, essence, material," from substans, present participle of substare "stand firm, stand or be under, be present," from sub "up to, under" (see sub-) + stare "to stand," from PIE root *sta- "to stand, make or be firm."
Latin substantia translates Greek ousia "that which is one's own, one's substance or property; the being, essence, or nature of anything." Meaning "any kind of corporeal matter" is first attested mid-14c. Sense of "the matter of a study, discourse, etc." first recorded late 14c. also from c. 1300
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sauciness (n.) -> saucy (adj.)
c. 1500, "resembling sauce" (a sense now obsolete), later, of persons, words, etc., "impertinent in speech or conduct, flippantly bold, cheeky" (1520s), from sauce (n.) + -y (2). The connecting notion is sauce in the figurative sense of "that which adds intensity, piquancy in words or actions."
Compare Skelton's have eaten sauce for "be abusive." Also compare sauce malapert "impertinence" (1520s), and sauce (n.) in its obsolete use as a vocative for "impudent person" (1530s). In Shakespeare, with overtones of "wanton, lascivious," it was "a term of serious condemnation" [OED]. Also compare salty in similar senses. also from c. 1500
petulance (n.)
c. 1600, "insolence, immodesty, rudeness," from French pétulance (early 16c.), from Latin petulantia "sauciness, impudence," abstract noun from petulantem (see petulant). Meaning "peevishness" is recorded by 1784, from influence of pettish, etc. It displaced earlier petulancy (1550s in the first sense, 1712 in the second).
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quality (n.)
c. 1300, qualite, "temperament, character, disposition," from Old French calite, qualite "quality, nature, characteristic" (12c., Modern French qualité), from Latin qualitatem (nominative qualitas) "a quality, property; nature, state, condition" (said [Tucker, etc.] to have been coined by Cicero to translate Greek poiotēs), from qualis "what kind of a" (from PIE root *kwo-, stem of relative and interrogative pronouns).
In early use, and for long thereafter, with awareness of the word's use in Aristotelian philosophy. From late 14c. as "an inherent attribute," also "degree of goodness or excellence." Meaning "social rank, position" is c. 1400, hence "nobility, gentry." From 1580s as "a distinguished and characteristic excellence."
Noun phrase quality time "time spent giving undivided attention to another person to build a relationship" is recorded by 1977. Quality of life "degree to which a person is healthy and able to participate in or enjoy life events" is from 1943. Quality control "maintenance of desired quality in a manufactured product" is attested from 1935. - Guṇa (Sanskrit: गुण) is a concept in Hinduism and Sikhism, which can be translated as "quality, peculiarity, attribute, property".[1][2]
The concept is originally notable as a feature of Samkhya philosophy.[3] The guṇas are now a key concept in nearly all schools of Hindu philosophy.[4] There are three guṇas, according to this worldview, that have always been and continue to be present in all things and beings in the world.[4] These three guṇas are called: sattva (goodness, calmness, harmonious), rajas (passion, activity, movement), and tamas (ignorance, inertia, laziness).[5] All of these three guṇas are present in everyone and everything, it is the proportion that is different, according to Hindu worldview. The interplay of these guṇas defines the character of someone or something, of nature and determines the progress of life.[4][6]
In some contexts, it may mean "a subdivision, species, kind, quality", or an operational principle or tendency of something or someone.[6] In human behavior studies, Guna means personality, innate nature and psychological attributes of an individual.[7][8][9]
Like all Sanskrit technical terms, guṇa can be difficult to summarize in a single word. Its original and common meaning is a thread, implying the original materials that weave together to make up reality. The usual, but approximate translation in common usage is "a quality" (wiki)
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Alan Watts is taking the not doing sadhana a little too far. He's pushing my buttons but I liked his acknowledgement and description. The distinction I think is around the collapsing of time. In linear time, we do our stuff for a result, sort of, maybe less so.

remember (v.)
mid-14c., remembren, "keep or bear (something or someone) in mind, retain in the memory, preserve unforgotten," from Old French remembrer "remember, recall, bring to mind" (11c.), from Latin rememorari "recall to mind, remember," from re- "again" (see re-) + memorari "be mindful of," from memor "mindful" (from PIE root *(s)mer- (1) "to remember").
The meaning "recall to mind, bring again to the memory" is from late 14c.; the sense of "to mention" is from 1550s. Also in Middle English "to remind" (someone), "bring back the memory of" (something to someone); "give an account, narrate," and in passive constructions such as hit remembreth me "I remember." An Anglo-Saxon verb for it was gemunan.
The insertion of -b- between -m- and a following consonant (especially where a vowel has dropped out) is regular: compare number (n.), chamber (n.), humble (adj.).
Remember implies that a thing exists in the memory, not that it is actually present in the thoughts at the moment, but that it recurs without effort. Recollect means that a fact, forgotten or partially lost to memory, is after some effort recalled and present to the mind. Remembrance is the store-house, recollection the act of culling out this article and that from the repository. He remembers everything he hears, and can recollect any statement when called on. The words, however, are often confounded, and we say we cannot remember a thing when we mean we cannot recollect it. [Century Dictionary, 1895]
In complimentary messages, "remember (one) to (another), recall one to the remembrance of another," as in remember me to your family, is attested from 1550s.
abide (v.)
Middle English abiden, from Old English abidan, gebidan "remain, wait, wait for, delay, remain behind," from ge- completive prefix (denoting onward motion; see a- (1)) + bidan "bide, remain, wait, dwell" (see bide).
Originally intransitive (with genitive of the object: we abidon his "we waited for him"); the transitive senses of "endure, sustain, stay firm under," also "tolerate, bear, put up with" (now usually with a negative) are from c. 1200. To abide with "stay with (someone); live with; remain in the service of" is from c. 1300.
Related: Abided; abiding. The historical conjugation was abide, abode, abidden, but in Modern English the formation generally is weak.
concentrate (v.)
1630s, "to bring or come to a common center," from concenter (1590s), from Italian concentrare, from assimilated form of Latin com "with, together" (see con-) + centrum "center" (see center (n.)).
Meaning "condense" is from 1680s; that of "intensify the action of" is from 1758. Sense of "mentally focus" is from 1860s, on the notion of "concentrate the mind or mental powers." Related: Concentrated; concentrating. also from 1630s
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It as celebration does pretty well in resolving it.
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I'll take it! The sentiment. Thank you. It is given and multiplied.
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I think, where there is obscuration, ignorance of ourselves, need of healing, then something is needed to change it, be the obscurations illusory, and if the method is non-method as just pointing at the moon. There are healthy and 'enlightening' acts and means, psychedelics, sadhana, study.
These are all sadhana, actions for results. Only Brahman doesn't need sadhana, but there is only Brahman! We have already set up the dualism in obscurations. To say, just Be, or just witness, and to hear it, is sadhana, like saying Tat Tvam Asi, Thou Art That. 
Those greatest adherents to sadhana also address using means, or mind to 'kill' mind, as using a thorn to remove another thorn.
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