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#28339030 - 05/29/23 04:24 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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I been doin gig work lately, because it pays really well... one of the things I do sometimes is deliver amazon packages that the trucks can't get to or w/e.
I deliver to a lot of moderately wealthy people's houses, and these motherfuckers have their whole neighborhoods gated off. Then they have gates to their little corner of the already gated community. What the fuck are people so fucking scared of? You know, if I planned on robbing these motherfuckers, no gate is gonna fuckin stop me.
For all you gate-havers, you're fooling yourselves. Criminals don't even live in your zip code... it's fucking retarded.
Do gates make people feel safe, or just prevent people from doing their fucking job?
This is political.
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I agree that gated communities are a political thing. They should be outlawed.
That said, gated communities with one large fence around several housing units are the least safe. Those with the large gate and the individual gates are on par with no gates. There is quite a lot of information about this in numerous urban geography study's. A lot of developers love the idea of gated communities. It is a cheap way to upsell a property because most people feel safer with a gate even when in many cases they actually increase crime. Fences and gates are relatively cheap. Gated communities tend to be a lot less community oriented, as you might tell by the fact that they are trying to avoid the community, and that overall reduces willingness to monitor the surroundings, self police, etc.. Also, rich people are afraid they might be less rich, while poor people don't have much to lose. It's why a lot of poor people are more charitable than the rich.
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some people want the entire country gated
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Bigbadwooof said: I been doin gig work lately, because it pays really well... one of the things I do sometimes is deliver amazon packages that the trucks can't get to or w/e.
I deliver to a lot of moderately wealthy people's houses, and these motherfuckers have their whole neighborhoods gated off. Then they have gates to their little corner of the already gated community. What the fuck are people so fucking scared of? You know, if I planned on robbing these motherfuckers, no gate is gonna fuckin stop me.
For all you gate-havers, you're fooling yourselves. Criminals don't even live in your zip code... it's fucking retarded.
Do gates make people feel safe, or just prevent people from doing their fucking job?
This is political.
I have a buddy who used to slang bricks of H in some of the sketchiest parts of Jersey. He told me his clients were usually rich people that were in gated communities right in the ghetto. He said he'd be on the ghetto side of the fence (literally), throwing bricks over to lawyers and drs who could easily have him offed if he ever opened his mouth. He said no one fucked with their culture de sac bacause everyone in the shitty part of town kind of relied on the drugs to keep pumping through the rich side.
Idk how true that is for every gated community in America, but it was weird to me that the reason this place was safe was because of that dynamic, and the fence really didn't protect them from shit.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: mushboy] 2
#28339226 - 05/29/23 09:33 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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Lots of gates everywhere in the world. People are suckers and will pay for a false sense of security. The stereotypical "guard shack" which never seems to be occupied/staffed.
Like the gates/ cages that are bolted around the windows too. Yeah, not a fire hazard. Dont watch my six because I have a gate around me, I am protected.
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Egress issues haunt me. I have seen some nasty shit. I had to do a case study on egress issues in school and it gets real bad real fast in some scenarios. I'm so glad to be out of the safety industry.
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christopera said: Egress issues haunt me. I have seen some nasty shit. I had to do a case study on egress issues in school and it gets real bad real fast in some scenarios. I'm so glad to be out of the safety industry.
You mean egress windows... for basement bedrooms? What kind of safety issues?
I really liked your previous post, btw. I thought this thread was just going to be a bunch of vapid ridiculous posts arguing on behalf of gates just for the sake of arguing with me... like most of my threads lmao.
That must be it though. The reason for gates, is because it's a selling point for developers, of course. I can't imagine more people would actively pursue something so stupid, if it wasn't offered as an extra perk, or whatever. Then again, as someone else posted, there is a large proportion of Americans who think a boarder wall is a good idea lol.
Look at that, it was even a selling point for the most shady, sheisty "developer" in American history, which he used to win himself the presidency.
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christopera said: Egress issues haunt me. I have seen some nasty shit. I had to do a case study on egress issues in school and it gets real bad real fast in some scenarios. I'm so glad to be out of the safety industry.
You mean egress windows... for basement bedrooms? What kind of safety issues?
I really liked your previous post, btw. I thought this thread was just going to be a bunch of vapid ridiculous posts arguing on behalf of gates just for the sake of arguing with me... like most of my threads lmao.
That must be it though. The reason for gates, is because it's a selling point for developers, of course. I can't imagine more people would actively pursue something so stupid, if it wasn't offered as an extra perk, or whatever. Then again, as someone else posted, there is a large proportion of Americans who think a boarder wall is a good idea lol.
Look at that, it was even a selling point for the most shady, sheisty "developer" in American history, which he used to win himself the presidency.
How do gates increase crime, though? I wonder if they make the gated communities more of a target, because it looks like they've got more to protect.. or something? Or maybe because there is less community policing/involvement?
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You know, if I planned on robbing these motherfuckers, no gate is gonna fuckin stop me.
I like how they do security walls in South America , you could probably get over it somehow , I would probably look for one with smaller pieces of glass though .
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If you'd ever lived in one, you'd know why they exist.
Walls keep out a lot of problems, so do fences, whatever. You can live in a total shit area, but if you're in a gated community, it's like you're living in a great area, zero problems.
We have walls because people suck and walls work. Don't hate the walls, hate the people that make them necessary. Fences work, walls work, it is what it is.
It is a night and day difference living in a shit area without a fence, and living in a shit area with a fence, I'll tell you that. If you don't believe me, try it sometime. It isn't all about keeping robbers out. 99% of the shit that goes down in shit areas is gone when you put up a fence.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: Psilynut2]
#28340047 - 05/29/23 10:32 PM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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You know, if I planned on robbing these motherfuckers, no gate is gonna fuckin stop me.
I like how they do security walls in South America , you could probably get over it somehow , I would probably look for one with smaller pieces of glass though .

A pair of welding gloves/some thick leather... It wouldn't be difficult at all.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: nooneman]
#28340073 - 05/29/23 11:03 PM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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nooneman said: If you'd ever lived in one, you'd know why they exist.
Walls keep out a lot of problems, so do fences, whatever. You can live in a total shit area, but if you're in a gated community, it's like you're living in a great area, zero problems.
We have walls because people suck and walls work. Don't hate the walls, hate the people that make them necessary. Fences work, walls work, it is what it is.
It is a night and day difference living in a shit area without a fence, and living in a shit area with a fence, I'll tell you that. If you don't believe me, try it sometime. It isn't all about keeping robbers out. 99% of the shit that goes down in shit areas is gone when you put up a fence.
Are you talking about a fence, like a fenced in back yard? Because that I completely understand. I'm talking about gated communities, and I guess... People who have gates at the end of very long driveways, and the whole perimeter is fenced in.
There was one I was supposed to deliver to the other day, where they had a gate blocking the road, and the customer gave me the wrong access code. I could have easily driven my car on the freshly mowed grass that provided about two car-widths worth of space, on both sides of the fence, and driven to the customer's house, but instead, I decided to mark the package undeliverable, because if they are going to inconvenience me with their insecurity, and stupidity, then I'm not going out of my way to make their day.
I enjoy making them resent the gate. If at all possible.
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I’m at my friends place in a gated community rn. It’s not really gated in the way these other places being described. There are only a few houses “inside” the gate. Most of the houses ARE the gate. Connected townhouses enclose an area that is only accessible through a secured gate. There are some tall walls that define the perimeter of the community but that’s mainly because it’s built on a steep hill that was terraced so the neighborhood would be flat. My friends place front door is outside the gate, his back patio is inside the gate
Anyways it’s a pretty weird example of a gated community, and it’s really the only gated community I can think of anywhere in the DC area. It’s pretty rare for even the largest mansions in the most upscale neighborhoods to even have a fence around them. If someone has a fence, it usually just the backyard and usually because they have a pool that is required to be fenced in. I’ve stealthily been picking mushrooms for the past month on a billionaires estate.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: koods]
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The thought is most thiefs take the path of least resistance not the most. Yeah I've lived in a gated community most my life and I literally could not lock my doors all those Years and it would've been fine. Almost 0 crime there
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I don’t live in a gated community and there has been an unlocked door somewhere at my house for almost every moment of the past 20 years
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My buddy's mom lives in Tucson Estates, it's an upscale age restricted community. It's gated, not so much for safety or security but exclusivity. It's just a bar going across the drives to enter the community, no fences anywhere. Tucson Estates started out as a mobile home park but has spread out into a lot of houses there too, they have a golf course, community pool and other amenities. She has a very nice house there with private access to Golden Gate mountain
I really don't see anything wrong with that kind of gated community
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When Christopera uses egress issues and safety inspector in the same post, it's fair to say he does not mean basement windows. I would think he means issues arising when people must egress (leave) a building such as a school quickly. Like a fire. Hence how it can get bad fast. Seeing a pile of burned children at a door that got blocked because there were not enough exits or it was not wide enough for the number of people or other reason must be traumatizing. I remember seeing footage of that nightclub that burnt down where people piled up in the doorway and there was nothing anyone could do.
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Bigbadwooof said: How do gates increase crime, though? I wonder if they make the gated communities more of a target, because it looks like they've got more to protect.. or something? Or maybe because there is less community policing/involvement?
It's usually easier to commit crime when 1) people have a presumption that crime is lower, meaning people aren't vigilant, and 2) when the property/people is separated from the community at large meaning others aren't available to be vigilant.
Put this in the context of the American police force. How often do the police stop crime while it is in progress? Probably a fraction of a single percent, the rest of the time they just react. What really prevents crime in good communities is the ability for the community at large to police their space. No police needed. Many gated communities are simply walled off from access to the greater community, and thus do not benefit from that self policing. Instead they rely on a fence/wall/gate and sometimes a private police force. Of course there are many types of gated communities, so you can't get too crazy trying to make distinctions without writing a huge paper. Anyways, there is very little proof that gated communities are actually safer, and in many cases they are worse. However, they provide the perception of being safer, and people of course want that. Climbing a fence, or cutting a whole in it, or driving around the gate, isn't exactly rocket science. Just like busting a window and climbing through it isn't hard. That's why having good community around is generally the safer bet. People tend to pick up on odd behaviors faster than a fence realizes it was climbed.
As far as egress, ICE got it.
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i think Trayvon Martin is a good example of why gated communities are dangerous.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: mushboy]
#28340337 - 05/30/23 06:58 AM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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That example gets used quite often, actually. I don't think it is particularly noteworthy, outside of being a big news event. There have been some studies of Chinese gated communities where they looked at hundreds of gated communities in one study and the evidence is fairly clear. To be as safe as open communities, your house has to be individually gated and fenced inside a gated community. Kind of silly, isn't?
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: mushboy]
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i think Trayvon Martin is a good example of why gated communities are dangerous.
BTW, remember when The New York Times referred to George Zimmerman as a "white Hispanic" in an attempt to make it look like a white supremacist murder?
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He literally is a white hispanic. What race do you think he is?
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: koods]
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Race is a social construct.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: Enlil]
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He believes the construct, so I’m curious what race he thinks Zimmerman is. White, black or Asian?
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: koods]
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Because it's a social construct, his belief system could literally have 1000s of different races. For all we know, hispanic could be a race in his society.
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A new trend I'm seeing with gated communities is the targeted extortion of service workers under the guise of safety. I've had more than 1 community hit me up for a security badge fee, ostensibly to background check me or whatever. Apparently only people in trucks or vans are dangerous. Anyone in a sedan or crossover SUV is safe and thus exempt from the fee.
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Gotta pay for the golf course somehow.
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I'm sure the associations pitch it as a way to avoid raising HOA fees or some such at the meeting "Gotta repave G street this year and we need a new motor for the service entrance guard shack gate. Should we raise fees or just toll it from the landscapers?"
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That should be passed on to the customer anyway
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: Enlil]
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Pretty sure I'd just add it as a line item but mark it up 15%. Make it very obvious the resident is paying extra tax for getting standard services.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: A new trend I'm seeing with gated communities is the targeted extortion of service workers under the guise of safety. I've had more than 1 community hit me up for a security badge fee, ostensibly to background check me or whatever. Apparently only people in trucks or vans are dangerous. Anyone in a sedan or crossover SUV is safe and thus exempt from the fee.
The looks I get in my 87 Crown Vic, would make a pearl clutcher blush, especially around schools and gated communities. If I had a pod car/SUV,as you stated...poof, I am a law abiding citizen.
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the laws around HOA fees are a mess. last week tonight did a really scary episode on HOAs which end up forclosing on houses based on arbitrary fees.
i dont know how common that is, but it seems like making an otherwise home-owner homeless because of too many or too few shrubs in their yard is completely fucked up and a plight to society.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: rxb]
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In Los Angeles County alone, there are several homes sold at auction each month for just that thing.
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I think I've decided to create "gate access fee" of 1.5% of each transaction inside a community that charges me for the privilege of serving their residents.
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Re: Gated Communities [Re: ballsalsa]
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To be fair, there is an associated cost with dealing the gated community's bullshit.
Ever since I got laid off in January I have been a shop manager that leans heavily towards high end mechanic. I charged a woman $135 an hour when I went to her home and worked on her car. She was not pleased. I had to explain to her that the garage barely functions when I am not there, meaning it made no money. Realistically I should have charged three or four times that. But the $490 paycheck was sweet.
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I think gates in gated communities mainly serve to keep door 2 door types and people who might not live there but are trying to use the communities benefits like a pool or parks. Some people, and I am going to generalize and say non-traditional american cultures, do not see private property in the same way and will use it for themselves if nothing is stopping them. I think the fact that most of europe allows trekking on private property is part of this mentality and it is forgivable. Then there are the shameless americans who know they are not entitled to the clubhouse that people pay fees to maintain but will sneak in with kids in tow if allowed.
The other point that hasn't been brought up is gated and fenced communities keep wildlife out. In a place like Florida which is king of gated communities the fences keep big gators, bears, even coyotes and panthers from snatching people's little dogs when let them out to pee.
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Lol no, a lady got eaten by a gator in a gated community a few months ago. Walked her little dog right up to the edge of the pond. Maybe she also thought that gates stop gators?
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Psilynut2
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Quote:
The other point that hasn't been brought up is gated and fenced communities keep wildlife out. In a place like Florida which is king of gated communities the fences keep big gators, bears,
They don't keep wildlife out , especially not Florida wildlife .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/06/21/watch-black-bear-gated-florida-neighborhood/7686317001/
https://www.news-press.com/story/news/local/south-fort-myers/2014/09/25/hogs-invade-gated-community-rip-lawns/16241631/
Edited by Psilynut2 (07/04/23 04:46 PM)
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I think people do not realize just how powerful a decent sized gator is. Fence isn't stopping this bad boy
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