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Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. * 4
    #28335902 - 05/26/23 05:33 PM (7 months, 29 days ago)

Researchers at the University of Minnesota (UMN) are conducting an anonymous online survey to gather information about individuals living with spinal cord injury (SCI) who have used psychedelic drugs after their SCI. Participation involves completing an online survey. This survey will take about 20-40 minutes to complete, depending on how you respond.

Link: https://redcap.ahc.umn.edu/surveys/?s=4W9CJNENCAFEL99D



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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007]
    #28336206 - 05/26/23 09:54 PM (7 months, 29 days ago)

with spinal cord injury leading to quadriplegia or paraplegia, psychedelics are unlikely to do anything other than help with personal emotional disposition, as mind over matter does not work with broken wiring.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] * 4
    #28336246 - 05/26/23 10:17 PM (7 months, 29 days ago)

You've outed yourself as not knowing much about spinal cord injuries.
1) a tiny percentage of spinal cord injuries have a completely severed cord. Most involve a crushing/ breaking of the vertebrae which cuts the cord but not necessarily entirely.
In the past 10 years we've learned SOOOO much about neuroplasticity/ regeneration. Psilocybin has been shown to lead to neural growth and more rapid neural connections in mice. For that reason alone, this is worth looking into.

2) once again, outed yourself for knowing very little about spinal cords. You immediately looked at it and said, essentially, the only thing worth studying about spinal cord injured folks is how to make them walk again. Look into the cocktail of drugs that many SCI folks are essentially dependent on for pain, for spasticity, to relax muscle groups. There's a very good chance this study has nothing to do with regeneration.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: SplendidSwimmer] * 2
    #28336282 - 05/26/23 10:35 PM (7 months, 29 days ago)

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You've outed yourself as not knowing much about spinal cord injuries.
1) a tiny percentage of spinal cord injuries have a completely severed cord. Most involve a crushing/ breaking of the vertebrae which cuts the cord but not necessarily entirely.
In the past 10 years we've learned SOOOO much about neuroplasticity/ regeneration. Psilocybin has been shown to lead to neural growth and more rapid neural connections in mice. For that reason alone, this is worth looking into.

2) once again, outed yourself for knowing very little about spinal cords. You immediately looked at it and said, essentially, the only thing worth studying about spinal cord injured folks is how to make them walk again. Look into the cocktail of drugs that many SCI folks are essentially dependent on for pain, for spasticity, to relax muscle groups. There's a very good chance this study has nothing to do with regeneration.




The neural growth occurs where synchronous activation is happening, not where long fibres are cut.

Separately some experimentation might be valid in the domain of pain and psychedelics generally, but in cases with pain and spinal injury, I would not recommend patients be exposed to signal feedback prologation which is the primary area of neural effects of psychedelics: the plasticity is as a result of prologation of synchronous signal feedback.

thanks for noting I out myself - are you really a new poster here, SpledidSwimmer?


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007] * 2
    #28337336 - 05/27/23 05:59 PM (7 months, 28 days ago)

Neurons that fire together wire together. I can imagine under certain circumstances LSD causing neurons in a partially severed spinal cord that don't normally talk to each other to wire together because they're firing at the same time as a result of patterned firing caused by LSD. Alternatively, LSD might be able to significantly amplify signals that are otherwise too small to make it through the injury, resulting in some gains. It's a long shot though, I'd imagine relatively small benefit confined to a small number of people. I have read a number of anecdotal accounts of zero improvement.

But that's just a wild guess, we won't know anything until studies like the one linked above are done. The fact that we won't know anything until we do the study is reason enough to do it.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #28337714 - 05/28/23 01:15 AM (7 months, 28 days ago)

the only neurons that wire together when firing together are the branches of pyramidal neurons and the primary cortical neurons that have feedback to the thalamus.

The spinal cord is formed once during intrauterine (or in egg) development, and changes very little through the life of vertebrates, except for those that can regenerate their tails.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] * 4
    #28344692 - 06/02/23 04:54 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

I experienced an incomplete spinal cord injury in the C2-C3 region as a result of a fall. I have found that magic mushrooms have had a positive impact on my condition. To manage the pain, I am currently taking two types of oxy tablets, one for depot pain and the other for regular pain. Additionally, I am prescribed Lyrica and Sarotex to alleviate neural pains. Unfortunately, I suffer from severe and persistent headaches, as well as a sensation of pressure on my neck that resembles a foot crushing it when I am standing or sitting up. To mitigate the pain on my skin and enable me to wear clothes, I use qutenza for numbing purposes. Despite my condition, I make it a point to walk 0.7-6 miles every day to stay in shape. I am eager to participate in your survey, and I hope that my involvement will contribute to your research.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28347830 - 06/05/23 04:59 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Except for Dr Strange. :frown:


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: SyntheticDreamer]
    #28347961 - 06/05/23 08:36 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Dr. Strange had help from Lobsang Rampa's cat


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28349977 - 06/06/23 06:53 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

I am very interested in this area, if it promotes firing of nerves, then by deduction, the misfiring could sync, is that correct.
I am interested in which species are being tested, and which are showing the beast results so far. And on what symptoms


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 4
    #28351161 - 06/07/23 05:06 PM (7 months, 17 days ago)

i'm loving the artwork. I have impaired mobility due to highly painful neuronal damage in my damaged feet, so i relate to living in a small world, and the great wealth of experience that entheogens offer to people with very limited capacity to undergo healthy fully immersive experiences iof the body and mind.

The word "trip" has a holiday atmosphere and indeed for the impaired more than regular people a trip can be a vacation away from confining disability.

I'm glad ketamine was included, because its especially important to include it in a study involving neuronal function.

Dissociatives are associated with neuroprotective and neuroregenberative effects, if there is pain such as my foot it shuts the pain mostly out of your brain, unlike serotonin psychedelics that tend to highlight pain, at least to me. Psychedelics too work by creating a hole in your perception and filling it with Meaning, even though much more paisley and kaleidoscopic.

psychedelics tend to highlight perception, dissociatives tend to dissociate you away from your body and into your consciousness, putting large parts of your brain on screensaver, you shut down like having a stroke or dying, yet fear is diminished. Psychedelics intensify your cnnection with your body and senses. This is great, but not so great if you have so much pain you squirm and try not to alarm your neighbors with agonized noises of anguish that cannot be helped.

i hope good things will come of this study. if your left foot feels like they started your crucifixion early :wink: tough titty, but that's peripheral. Spinal cord injury is so central and consequences branch out all the way downstream.

If you are someone using entheogens and has spinal cord injury, or know someone who does, pleasw help this study.

Some of these people are in a deep struggle.

Let's help.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007]
    #28353028 - 06/09/23 09:03 AM (7 months, 16 days ago)

I look forward to seeing how the new neural pathways that mushrooms can open up might improve spinal cord injuries, I read a story about a guy that had a spinal cord injury and after he took cubensis he was able to walk better and doctors said it was because of opening up new neural pathways in the brain, very fascinating!

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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Lucis]
    #28353237 - 06/09/23 12:52 PM (7 months, 16 days ago)

New connections in the brain relate to pathways that already exist being flipped on as part of new memory by having ARC protein deposits at points with synchronous activation. Most of plasticity is this. Basically learning. And in this case, learning by doing, while not inhibited.

New connections in the spinal cord, however, may follow new findings in regeneration in amphibians and reptiles, yet to be discovered. These animals do regenerate nerve tissue, but it is not clear if a spinal cord can be fixed with this type of approach. Otherwise some new robotic prosthetics may come into common usage.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #28356178 - 06/11/23 08:13 PM (7 months, 13 days ago)

I had my SCI in 2018. Car accident. The only time I am pain free is when I’m tripping. It is the most magical part of the experience for me, getting my body back for a few hours. I filled it out, hope the info is valuable.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: MojaveMyc] * 2
    #28365248 - 06/19/23 09:16 AM (7 months, 6 days ago)

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I had my SCI in 2018. Car accident. The only time I am pain free is when I’m tripping. It is the most magical part of the experience for me, getting my body back for a few hours. I filled it out, hope the info is valuable.




i had my SCI in 2019, accident. been micor-dosing 200mg to 300mg every day since 2020, that magical moment during trpping "pain free", brother its like that but every day.
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i filled it out and even gave names of pain meds i will never use again.

pain free for three years and counting.

surgery is too complicated to get but at least life is pain free :snoopyes:


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa] * 2
    #28366535 - 06/20/23 01:56 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

So glad to hear of your relief Pesa.

most people are blessed enough not to realize what pain free of chronic pain means, because they never encountered it.

A friend had ALS it was unbeareable for him.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28366888 - 06/20/23 09:46 AM (7 months, 5 days ago)

i didn't knew different brain process pain and intensity of pain in different way.:shrug:
till i got MRI and found out this golden thing of brain pain processing.

i was on codeine searching for heroin or anything to make it stop, i went through "pain insanity" phase

got on marijuana same thing.

i grew shrooms while on codeine using disinformation of pf-tek and all that and got few pf cakes to birth and fruit. i didnt knew shroomery exists back then.

i took shrooms to make peace with death.

but its amazing how chain of events lead to something amazing.

:laugh2: i let go of trip while triping and enjoy pain free moment after a year.

i can imagine how painful ALS can get, nerve pain is the worse pain
its the most worse hell i ever face and i am glad its coming to end.

all i am saying is people give chance to opioids knowing its addictive then they give chance to synthetic opioids so called non addictive but its still dependency,

morphine,Gabapentina then comes the psychological issue with SCI then begins the prozac, zoloft and list goes on and on all of the meds either attacking liver,stomach, muscles. ibuprofen damages liver its right there on the side effect section.


one of the side effects of zoloft is being on 40 beers 24 hours a day, week later soul begs you stop drinking.


if you know a good doctor give shrooms a chance.

yeah triping is great and all that but micro-dosing
shrooms makes you happy,hungry,sleepy and enlightened pain free without side effect of being drunk as in zoloft all the time or being high as kite as Gabapentina.

the only side effect i observe on shrooms they change your mind,perception,thought process, imagination forever in a good way.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa] * 1
    #28368181 - 06/21/23 04:55 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #28368632 - 06/21/23 11:44 AM (7 months, 4 days ago)

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I love mushrooms forever





Mushrooms are my gateway to everything good about m,y life, what they made possible for me by healing my broken traumatized mind.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28375372 - 06/26/23 02:26 PM (6 months, 30 days ago)

I'll have to read through everything later. I had a long-term c4 quadriplegic patient who claimed that he took mushrooms one time post accident and it made him feel like he was overheating to a dangerous point and he stated he would never take it again. It is notable that he did not have a normal sweat response to heat. Just thought I would share. I had brought it up to him because I met another guy through here who had had some kind of spinal cord injury from going to war in Afghanistan that he claims he found significant relief from with shrooms


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Asante]
    #28375662 - 06/26/23 06:17 PM (6 months, 29 days ago)

imo, shrooms react differently to every brain, so when they make meds the side effect is part of meds, not all people get those side effects, its like a group of people that will get side effect no matter what other are in maybe category

in case of zoloft some people actually and i shit you not enjoy being drunk on 40 beers and some people plain simply vomit.

regarding shrooms they got there side effects, like some people do vomit no matter what they do its part of their trip the "purge"

and some other Common physical effects include dilated pupils, increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, dizziness, sweating, and changes in body temperature. Nausea, stomach discomfort, and vomiting are also possible.

and some people with SCI of lower back frequent urination

many people dont experience all the side effects.

before you hit on shrooms might wanna check on your blood pressure and heart, sensation of burning on shrooms is a thing.




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Mushrooms are my gateway to everything good about m,y life, what they made possible for me by healing my broken traumatized mind.





the amazing part of shrooms trauma and healing,:raisemyglass:


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
    #28377205 - 06/27/23 11:26 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

How does this apply to nerve damage due to herniated disk that pinch nerves? Is that a part of this study?


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
    #28377208 - 06/27/23 11:29 PM (6 months, 28 days ago)

LOL you forgot massive diarrhea. Unless I do tea I get massive diarrea right off the bat and sometimes vomiting. But still, I'd rather that than the nerve pain.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: MushroomNSwiss]
    #28377696 - 06/28/23 11:37 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

the survey is about spinal cord injury, and i guess they are collecting all kind of data related to SCI.

thanx for pointing out lol shrooms causing diarrhea.


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    #28378834 - 06/29/23 10:02 AM (6 months, 27 days ago)

Psychedelics are a grapeshot, not just is there neurological activity but psychologically it can be helpful in making the unbearable, livable.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: MushroomNSwiss]
    #28378953 - 06/29/23 12:26 PM (6 months, 27 days ago)

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LOL you forgot massive diarrhea. Unless I do tea I get massive diarrea right off the bat and sometimes vomiting. But still, I'd rather that than the nerve pain.



Try truffles. I find it's the chitin in caps that mess with the gi track. I go back and forth with all of it, micro and macro doses, caps and truffles, days in a row and days off. I can't find 1 correct thing to help the pain, depression, neuro deficits, sleep and GI problems. Theres no doubt they do help though, with all of it.


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007]
    #28380026 - 06/30/23 10:25 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

One thing I rarely see in these discussions is the qualified sourcing of the mushrooms; the race of the mushrooms, or the production protocols from which the mushrooms were obtained. Mushrooms contain various known and unknown compounds that can vary greatly from one race (strain) of mushroom to the next and also from one mushroom to another even in cloned samples.

Probably the most important part of the tedious production process of mushrooms is the end stage; being that regardless of growth conditions it is very important that the mushrooms be pasteurized and then stored properly.
Given all the variables in clandestine operations and the fact that most mushrooms are not produced in a "kosher food type atmosphere", it is very important to attempt to limit undesirable microbes in the final product before it is offered for consumption.

Failing the pasteurization of the final product can most definitely lead to explosive diarrhea, vomiting, etc, etc. However these occurrences vary greatly among individuals, most likely directly relating to an individual's microbiome.

The "side effects" or more accurately stated; the "undesirable effects" of any substance can vary greatly from one individual to another and this is a demonstrated factual occurrence well known but not well considered by all of science.


Back on subject matter topic, there is no doubt that the known and unknown substances contained in varying amounts in p.cub races do stimulate neural activity to varying degrees when consumed, however the study of this will likely be inconclusive as there are too many unknown variables.

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    #28380084 - 06/30/23 11:43 AM (6 months, 26 days ago)

So my understanding is that there is now going to be functional magnetic resonance imaging that is at the five microns scale which is 64 million times higher in resolution. My understanding is that it is only been used on lizard scale animals.

However if it were possible to image spinal cord injury at this scale, would it not be possible to simply insert electrical wiring to connect the broken ends of the two nerves? Obviously they would need some kind of voltage gating mechanism but as long as you can get the scale down I don't see any reason why it couldn't be done especially with nano robotic technology becoming increasingly part of surgery.



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    #28380135 - 06/30/23 12:11 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

i have mentioned in lot of my posts P. natalensis,AA+, penis envy, i used mixture of this for the past three years its the best cockatiel of pin-killer i have ever taken coming from person who use to be on codeine F**k codeine,
very few doctors prepare their patient for the coming depression from SCI and depression is like a upside down tree it brings in a lot of other issues. 

i think this explains very well what i am trying to say is

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Psychedelics are a grapeshot, not just is there neurological activity but psychologically it can be helpful in making the unbearable, livable.




i guess there is a lab out of South Africa that broke the news about P. natalensis,AA+ having anti-inflamatory properties back in 2021

but now more data came out, P. natalensis do contain anti-inflamatory,anti-virus-antibacterial the heck "they killed HIV virus" using extract of P.natalensis and thats not a claim thats a fact backed by lab work and report

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Compounds-identified-in-the-cold-water-hot-water-and-70-ethanol-extracts-of-P_tbl1_343999450

what else shrooms can do other than making a person that is laying on bed for year suffering,shit and piss on the same bed, giving that person 15g and during trip he walks, for the first time in a year mf that hits on level.......when you achieve something
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three years later, i can even run and best part my hand dont shake.

imo shoormery community helped a lot of people, to get out of clandestine grow conditions and storage conditions.

we give a lot of BS a chance, i know i did i dated rainbow of pain-killers,spine injections in the end na mate shrooms is one pill for 90% of your problems.

edit: also one of effect of P. natalensis anti-diarrhoeal, you can eat them raw and wont get diarrhea


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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
    #28380157 - 06/30/23 12:29 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Aminopyridine

Only tangentially related but the same individual I mentioned with c4 quadriplegia resulting from a specific accident during late adolescence who cannot sweat to thermoregulate and who stated that he 'felt like he was dangerously overheating' is using this drug that is typically prescribed for multiple sclerosis to retard the rate of muscle degeneration. It does so apparently by increasing lateral traffic between the ascending and descending columns of the spinal tract. So while it does not repair damaged nerves it can simulate them being there to an extent in order to prevent muscle atrophy and contraction over time

My understanding is that it's only recently been tried out on spinal cord patients


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    #28380208 - 06/30/23 01:28 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

I think to fix broken nerves we need nanite micromachines.
It's not like just gluing the axons back together, because those parts distal from the cell body will likely become nonfunctional.
However, the path of the nonfunctional broken end of each axon in a spinal injury could be followed by nanites (not yet invented) trailing a regenerating stub of the original affected neuron.
Just putting it out there.
This could be a great neuroregenerative approach, follow the broken fibre trail while regenerating nerve endings.


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    #28380375 - 06/30/23 04:34 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

Most excellent replies.



Much to consider on this topic, since the shoormery is built to facilitate this type of discourse most of you will share the pride I feel in the knowledge that we are part of it.


I have some personal first hand and second hand knowledge that mushrooms can repair neural connections in a miraculous way (miraculous meaning unexplainable by current scientific standards).

I also have first hand knowledge that magic mushrooms definitely provide generation of neural plasticity as well as physical brain matter growth/repair and belive there is no reason this won't extend to spinal cord repair and functionality.


The true fact of the matter is that magic mushrooms did not aquire their name by any mistake or folly.




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    #28380394 - 06/30/23 04:52 PM (6 months, 26 days ago)

something people don't talk about, people who got SCI they get erectile dysfunction and its part of SCI package deal depression, crippling pain,anxiety and erectile dysfunction and with lower back urge to pee all the time, shrooms take care of that too.

the reason i am putting it out there because when you get those damn things urethra tube and makes your wonder :laugh2: "its all over moment"
and then that awkward conversation between doctor and patient, "will it ever stand", "will it ever work".

mf didnt knew this part of the shrooms they are god dman aphrodisiac+viagra after the trip this will happen.

many more will come to this conclusion in time, science is when facts after fact comes out the same.

shrooms are god damn amazing.

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    #28380474 - 06/30/23 05:52 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Note, men get an erection during REM sleep, without any sex image or idea at all.
it is a side effect of that dreaming state of mind. I am not surprised that Shrooms can generate the same effect because they can do the waking dream thing too.


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    #28380581 - 06/30/23 07:36 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

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SCI they get erectile dysfunction and its part of SCI package deal depression,



this is only halfway true....

The erection is largely a reflex in the same way that intestinal peristalsis or your heart pumping are a reflex. You cannot make your heart pump at 60 beats per minute simply by wanting it to. You can do various other things that may result in your heartbeat going to that rate, but you cannot simply make it 60 by willing it to be.

The patient I know of who had c4 quadriplegia could still very much get erections. He did maintain a prescription for Viagra in case he knew that he was going to be having a date that might result in sex. And yes, this quadriplegic man did have sex, with more different people and more often than I have to be frank.

Sometimes he would spontaneously become erect during the course of everyday care. The guy was very much straight as am I but he could not have a bowel movement on his own because he can't control his anal sphincter. So I would literally have to insert a finger into his rectum to stimulate the nerve there to make the sphincter contract and produce a bowel movement.

This area just so happens to be right by the prostate and it kind of doesn't matter whether you're straight or gay, if your prostate gets hit in the right way you just might get an erection.

I could also always tell when he had gotten laid the previous night or was about to get laid later that day because the frequency of the 'spontaneous' erections would increase. It was clearly unrelated to anything I was doing because I would just do the same things every day, and seemed clearly related to either his memories of the previous night or his expectations of what was to come

In any case perhaps too much information but long story shorts people with severe spinal cord injuries can still be as if not more sexually functional as their 'non disabled' counterparts. Generally speaking this isn't the case simply because there's a lot of logistical problems associated with dating or having sex with somebody who can't move their muscles. But his was not the general case.


The depression that results from spinal cord injury can be related to change in sex life but more often it's just related to the change in circumstances such that the person is now completely dependent upon others for most things. In many cases they cannot even commit suicide if they want to without finding somebody who will be complicit


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    #28380584 - 06/30/23 07:37 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

true,

we got way to less data on shrooms, its like handful of labs that conducted experiments and got some results, i guess in coming years, we will find out whats the real magic behind shrooms.


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    #28380589 - 06/30/23 07:41 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

I mean they sort of Just cause a pseudo seizure in some parts of the nervous system while suppressing activity in other parts. This could be useful in some ways but it doesn't seem well targeted enough to be the best approach possible, if it helps at all


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    #28380600 - 06/30/23 07:47 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

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SCI they get erectile dysfunction and its part of SCI package deal depression,



this is only halfway true....


The patient I know of who had c4 quadriplegia could still very much get erections. He did maintain a prescription for Viagra in case he knew that he was going to be having a date that might result in sex. And yes, this quadriplegic man did have sex, with more different people and more often than I have to be frank.

Sometimes he would spontaneously become erect during the course of everyday care. The guy was very much straight as am I but he could not have a bowel movement on his own because he can't control his anal sphincter. So I would literally have to insert a finger into his rectum to stimulate the nerve there to make the sphincter contract and produce a bowel movement.

The depression that results from spinal cord injury can be related to change in sex life but more often it's just related to the change in circumstances such that the person is now completely dependent upon others for most things. In many cases they cannot even commit suicide if they want to without finding somebody who will be complicit





C4 is neck area,
i am talking about lower back like L1 to L5.

this person got C4 injury and maintain prescription for Viagra thats what i am saying, SCI people need something to keep it erect and one of the definition of erectile dysfunction the dick wont reamin hard.

i got diagnose with depression after SCI it was not sex life in my case mf laying on bed 24 hours a day 7 days a week stuck with laptop and crippling pain. turns out human are not design to lay on bed for month after month.

i use to be on 8 pills now i just take micro-dose of 300mg of shrooms every day like med and get on with my life.


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    #28380692 - 06/30/23 08:43 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Well the guy could be lying but from what he told me as long as the reflex happened and then stimulation continued then the Viagra was not really necessary, but that he liked having it around because being able to keep his dick hard pretty much indefinitely, along with having a gigantic dick to begin with, compensated for his inability to move.


I should add though that this guy clearly always had super high testosterone levels. He had been an All-Star football player in Texas, 6 ft 3" 260 lb of pure muscle, blonde... The works, like I said, pornstar status dick, and I've seen hundreds at work. He's been paralyzed for almost 9 years but retains a lot of muscle mass and sex drive in part because he claims he had so much to begin with and in parts because of other things like taking the amino pyridine and regularly using haptic feedback

For whatever it's worth he's an active spinal cord injury researcher at a premiere institution


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    #28380693 - 06/30/23 08:43 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

I can relate to that.


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    #28380697 - 06/30/23 08:48 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

I could be totally wrong but I thought that if you got a severe or total injury at some portion of your cervical spine then anything peripheral/nervous below would be compromised

Or like let's just say you happened to sever only the descending columns of your spinal tract at c4. My understanding was that you would not suddenly see working descending columns in the thoracic spine or lower

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    #28380734 - 06/30/23 09:16 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

i don't drink no more don't smoke no more because no one told me shrooms will take that away eventually its matter of time so enjoy your drinks and smoke, its that one trip that mf one trip and when you wake up huh you just don't wanna smoke anymore
and then you get dreams of smoking after six months and doctor say its normal withdrawal symptom

i was on weed for a brief period of time didnt work out.

in the end shroom is something that does what 8 pills and capsules partially do.

i guess this was part of john hopkins psychedelic research "what single dose of shroom does to brain in case of chronic depression zoloft and prozc do that in a week"

like all meds it takes time to build up in your system for example it takes 1 week for zoloft or prozac to start effecting the brain in some cases a month or doc will change the meds completely.

shroom takes 30 minutes to do that.

micro-dose is between 100mg to 400mg i found my sweet spot 300mg in the first two year now 100mg

effects are like getting HD vision a bit high like gabapentin 300mg minus the suicidal depression instead better mood and thats about it. like all meds there are no instance result, i saw my first changes on day 40.

no more pain you can do any thing you want like you use to do before SCI.

you can get back to programming,painting or simply appreciate life.


the shocking part is a lot of things are BS but shrooms work too well to point of scary.

in the end of the day what matter is you get your life back in order, could sleep at night without insomnia, eat bath by yourself.


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    #28380834 - 06/30/23 11:10 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

That's pretty cool man. The patient I had did use cannabis in a vape pen. I actually had to help him use it because of course you can't use his arms, which was technically against the law for me to do but hey.... The law can suck on my blunt whenever it needs to.

He would wake up with extreme clonus. The cannabis did not come close to relieving an entirely but there was an obvious effect on how quickly I could relieve the clonus by haptic feedback if he did use it

I think you're talking about a very different kind of spinal cord injury though. His spinal cord was essentially severed entirely. Clearly there's a bit of it remaining but almost none


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    #28380836 - 06/30/23 11:11 PM (6 months, 25 days ago)

Bit late response but, anecdotally I don't find much difference in results between varieties or cultures. Also no reports of it from "patients" for lack of better word, the people I help for medical issues primarily not just fun. Many say they don't like the high potency stuff, harder to dose and just not the same for them; I guess this is where other compounds are having affect. I just use whatever I'm growing at the time, no dedicated variety for medicine and Never used bacterial or moldy tub's fruits for medicine.


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    #28381899 - 07/01/23 10:25 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

Very intriguing, thank you for sharing


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    #28383681 - 07/03/23 01:08 PM (6 months, 23 days ago)

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Bit late response but, anecdotally I don't find much difference in results between varieties or cultures. Also no reports of it from "patients" for lack of better word, the people I help for medical issues primarily not just fun. Many say they don't like the high potency stuff, harder to dose and just not the same for them; I guess this is where other compounds are having affect. I just use whatever I'm growing at the time, no dedicated variety for medicine and Never used bacterial or moldy tub's fruits for medicine.




i guess this thing goes around the world on my side of the world, when i was put marijuana edibles i took it only once and never again due to high potency, the heck its like back on gabapentina and being stuck high.

imo micro-dose is best the effects are way too less and you can get to work without a issue also variety does not matter but some variety are back by data now :shrug:


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    #28392133 - 07/11/23 06:33 AM (6 months, 15 days ago)

What about fresh ones, did you chew them properly, was there contaminants? Was there clay in the substrate, did you consume substrate?


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    #28407536 - 07/25/23 07:59 AM (6 months, 1 day ago)

Pain can be a problem, normally i take mushrooms for anxiety


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    #28409949 - 07/27/23 06:56 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

Shromolo best of luck on your recovery


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    #28410016 - 07/27/23 08:31 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

My brother in law with SCI in his neck due to aging degeneration of the bone and crushing compression of the spinal cord is getting surgery next week.

3 vertebrae and discs will be replaced with man made materials, and neuroprotective and neuroregenerative strategies will be employed using Oligodendrogenic precursor (stem) cells, Neural precursor (stem) cells and biogenic Neuro-Spinal Scaffold which will be applied to fill gaps left over.

The effective results will follow remyelination of axons that have suffered loss of insulation while compressed by the SCI. Most of that effect will be natural and augmented by the Oligodendrogenic cells.

the docs say he will be free of the numbness and will probably be a tennis champ in a few months again.


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    #28412955 - 07/29/23 02:39 PM (5 months, 28 days ago)

I haven´t read everything but wow... Some people had it bad and i am glad mushrooms managed to help them to an extent. For me mushrooms only helped me mentally. Managing my depression and such. They were a big part of me becoming "sane" again in the past. I could not have done it without them.

There was talk about pain and mushrooms. I never really thought about it, since pain has been part of my life since my knees gave when i was in my early 20s and more pain, mostly back pain, joined over time. But in this questionaire for the first time it became clear to me, that i am pain free when i am tripping. I never thought about that. I always regarded a trip just as a short holiday from myself and never really appreciated the full scope of the effects.




Interlude

In late 2020 i had a disc operation in my neck gone wrong... It ended in paraplegia. In the german operative report it got called "Querschnitt C7" - "cross section C7". Which is weird, because they replaced the disc between C5 and C6. The MRI pictures also show the bleeding in that area and not further down at C7. There is nothing C7 about it at all, but what do i know? I am not a doctor who tries to cover his butt in a report.

Long story short i experienced the most intense pain in my life. Moving a knee-joint dry is probably somewhere between a 9 and a 10 on the pain scale. It is no joke. Don´t ask how i know. But blood slowly crushing your spinal cord is in a completely different ballpark(!)
You guys know box jellyfish and what people say about the pain before they die? Pain that tells you: it is over. There is no point in resisting anymore. This is it. Game over. There is no coming back from this. That was the feeling. Pain that weirdly calms you while you hyperventilate without realising it.

Since then i know i am 100% opiate resistant. They gave me everything they had and all they were allowed to give me without killing me, i guess. I had constant arguments with the anesthetist and finally when i couldnt feel my legs anymore, she believed me. She probably thought i was a junkie, so she was understandably hesitant to give me more. But she did everytime anyways. Not that it helped the pain in any way.

On the MRI pictures they took after i already lost feeling of my whole body, my spinal cord was already pinched (crushed?) to half of its original width. It took another hour to get me on to the operating table again and the second operation saved my life. Who knows how much more pressure my spinal cord had to endure. They removed the implant, got rid of the bleeding and fused the vertebras. I was first able to kind of stand up 2 days after and i left the hospital after a week on my own two legs. Don´t ask about the next 1 1/2 years and the long rehabilitation. No fun. Seriously. Not beeing able to properly wipe your own ass, cut bread or open doors with a key is something else.

ALL the doctors, therapists and otherwise "experts" i interacted with had the exact same look on their face. They look at the operative report and MRI pictures, then at me, at the pictures again, at me again... I got called a medical miracle more often than i am comfortable with by now.

Almost 3 years later i am back to ~70% of MY original abilities - which translates to maybe 95% if i were average. I can move everything more or less well, apart from the three last fingers on my right hand. They are done, all corresponding muscles have completely atrophied. I can feel about 80% of my skin and i am back to my old weight again. Spasms in my arms and hands are getting better over time, pain is pretty much constant but manageable with therapy. Some days drive me crazy, some days are good.
Note that i do not have the option to just take pills for the pain. They don´t work on me. NOT AT ALL. NOTHING WORKS ON ME. I consulted a specialist that tried everything in his arsenal on me and his conclusion was: well, it seems you are one of the very rare cases that don´t respond to anything. When he later injected me in the back with lidocaine and it worked, he congratulated me on actually having a human nervous system. What a jerk. I like him.
Over all i am good, but still somewhat angry. Sports is something i have to take very, very slowly. Convincing my muscles to work in unison is still a long-term project. Every wrong move has a chance of resulting in pain for the next two weeks.




So, how do mushrooms come into play in my injury story?
After about a year of struggle, still more or less confined to my home, still somewhat dependant on help regarding everyday activities, i kind of grabbed the wrong bottle from my fridge, realised my mistake, doubled down and had a pretty intense trip. I took the opportunity to get in touch with my right hand. Fingers 3, 4 and 5 are non-responsive. I am left with thumb and index finger. It was a long, intense and mentally challenging trip. I did not reconnect with anything missing in my right hand. There was just no connection anymore. Spinal cord damage.
It was some sort of last resort, "help me" thing, talking to my hand while on mushrooms. But i tried. And it didn´t really hurt. Only for a night. And only in my head.


I hope something usefull comes out of this study. By now i spent pretty much my whole saturday evening in answering the questionaire and writing this. =D


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    #28413496 - 07/30/23 04:26 AM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Fascinating

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    #28417700 - 08/02/23 05:45 PM (5 months, 23 days ago)

@zwinst;
amazing story,
even more amazing that you got up again and walked
and even more amazing that you are coping and progressing
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    #28419984 - 08/04/23 03:09 AM (5 months, 22 days ago)

In this article,
the break in the spinal cord is bypassed
movement and feeling are restored cybernetic-ally
https://greekreporter.com/2023/08/03/ai-brain-implant-regain-feeling-movement/

it does not bypass phantom pain, but is new hope for quadriplegics to regain their freedom and abilities.


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    #28424414 - 08/07/23 02:40 PM (5 months, 19 days ago)

I have a spinal cord injury and find this thread very interesting. I began microdosing for the effects of polio. I'm actually fighting polio's later in life post-polio syndrome. In 1956, as a child, I got polio. Like a SCI, polio is a neurological disease. My polio affected my left lower leg. Most of my life I was very athletic. In my early sixties I could still slalom waterski. I began to notice muscle wasting and a loss of strength in my mid-sixties. I'm now seventy and have a fairly severe loss of muscle and strength. Polio attacks the nerves and kills them. Secondary nerves generate after your initial attack of polio. It seems the polio virus can go to sleep but unfortunately, it can also, wake up. It's called post-polio syndrome. I'm happy I found this site. I believe in microdosing for my SCI but will be very interested to see if it can help in the regeneration of nerves in my lower leg or at least stop the muscle wasting.


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    #28425007 - 08/07/23 09:33 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

thankx for this thread, its very informative


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    #28425008 - 08/07/23 09:33 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

do you have any links?


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    #28425067 - 08/07/23 09:56 PM (5 months, 18 days ago)

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I have a spinal cord injury and find this thread very interesting. I began microdosing for the effects of polio. I'm actually fighting polio's later in life post-polio syndrome. In 1956, as a child, I got polio. Like a SCI, polio is a neurological disease. My polio affected my left lower leg. Most of my life I was very athletic. In my early sixties I could still slalom waterski. I began to notice muscle wasting and a loss of strength in my mid-sixties. I'm now seventy and have a fairly severe loss of muscle and strength. Polio attacks the nerves and kills them. Secondary nerves generate after your initial attack of polio. It seems the polio virus can go to sleep but unfortunately, it can also, wake up. It's called post-polio syndrome. I'm happy I found this site. I believe in microdosing for my SCI but will be very interested to see if it can help in the regeneration of nerves in my lower leg or at least stop the muscle wasting.


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    #28427123 - 08/09/23 12:59 PM (5 months, 17 days ago)

I know it will be a very slow process if it happens at all but I as many others on here are trail blazing and may find the medical reason mushrooms were put on the earth. I truly believe I get relief already with neuropathic pain and I take capsules everyday. Wouldn't it be amazing to find a cure for muscle wasting through nerve regeneration.


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