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Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. 4
#28335902 - 05/26/23 05:33 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Researchers at the University of Minnesota (UMN) are conducting an anonymous online survey to gather information about individuals living with spinal cord injury (SCI) who have used psychedelic drugs after their SCI. Participation involves completing an online survey. This survey will take about 20-40 minutes to complete, depending on how you respond.
Link: https://redcap.ahc.umn.edu/surveys/?s=4W9CJNENCAFEL99D
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007]
#28336206 - 05/26/23 09:54 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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with spinal cord injury leading to quadriplegia or paraplegia, psychedelics are unlikely to do anything other than help with personal emotional disposition, as mind over matter does not work with broken wiring.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] 4
#28336246 - 05/26/23 10:17 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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You've outed yourself as not knowing much about spinal cord injuries. 1) a tiny percentage of spinal cord injuries have a completely severed cord. Most involve a crushing/ breaking of the vertebrae which cuts the cord but not necessarily entirely. In the past 10 years we've learned SOOOO much about neuroplasticity/ regeneration. Psilocybin has been shown to lead to neural growth and more rapid neural connections in mice. For that reason alone, this is worth looking into.
2) once again, outed yourself for knowing very little about spinal cords. You immediately looked at it and said, essentially, the only thing worth studying about spinal cord injured folks is how to make them walk again. Look into the cocktail of drugs that many SCI folks are essentially dependent on for pain, for spasticity, to relax muscle groups. There's a very good chance this study has nothing to do with regeneration.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: SplendidSwimmer] 2
#28336282 - 05/26/23 10:35 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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SplendidSwimmer said: You've outed yourself as not knowing much about spinal cord injuries. 1) a tiny percentage of spinal cord injuries have a completely severed cord. Most involve a crushing/ breaking of the vertebrae which cuts the cord but not necessarily entirely. In the past 10 years we've learned SOOOO much about neuroplasticity/ regeneration. Psilocybin has been shown to lead to neural growth and more rapid neural connections in mice. For that reason alone, this is worth looking into.
2) once again, outed yourself for knowing very little about spinal cords. You immediately looked at it and said, essentially, the only thing worth studying about spinal cord injured folks is how to make them walk again. Look into the cocktail of drugs that many SCI folks are essentially dependent on for pain, for spasticity, to relax muscle groups. There's a very good chance this study has nothing to do with regeneration.
The neural growth occurs where synchronous activation is happening, not where long fibres are cut.
Separately some experimentation might be valid in the domain of pain and psychedelics generally, but in cases with pain and spinal injury, I would not recommend patients be exposed to signal feedback prologation which is the primary area of neural effects of psychedelics: the plasticity is as a result of prologation of synchronous signal feedback.
thanks for noting I out myself - are you really a new poster here, SpledidSwimmer?
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007] 2
#28337336 - 05/27/23 05:59 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Neurons that fire together wire together. I can imagine under certain circumstances LSD causing neurons in a partially severed spinal cord that don't normally talk to each other to wire together because they're firing at the same time as a result of patterned firing caused by LSD. Alternatively, LSD might be able to significantly amplify signals that are otherwise too small to make it through the injury, resulting in some gains. It's a long shot though, I'd imagine relatively small benefit confined to a small number of people. I have read a number of anecdotal accounts of zero improvement.
But that's just a wild guess, we won't know anything until studies like the one linked above are done. The fact that we won't know anything until we do the study is reason enough to do it.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: nooneman] 2
#28337714 - 05/28/23 01:15 AM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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the only neurons that wire together when firing together are the branches of pyramidal neurons and the primary cortical neurons that have feedback to the thalamus.
The spinal cord is formed once during intrauterine (or in egg) development, and changes very little through the life of vertebrates, except for those that can regenerate their tails.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] 4
#28344692 - 06/02/23 04:54 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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I experienced an incomplete spinal cord injury in the C2-C3 region as a result of a fall. I have found that magic mushrooms have had a positive impact on my condition. To manage the pain, I am currently taking two types of oxy tablets, one for depot pain and the other for regular pain. Additionally, I am prescribed Lyrica and Sarotex to alleviate neural pains. Unfortunately, I suffer from severe and persistent headaches, as well as a sensation of pressure on my neck that resembles a foot crushing it when I am standing or sitting up. To mitigate the pain on my skin and enable me to wear clothes, I use qutenza for numbing purposes. Despite my condition, I make it a point to walk 0.7-6 miles every day to stay in shape. I am eager to participate in your survey, and I hope that my involvement will contribute to your research.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28347830 - 06/05/23 04:59 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: SyntheticDreamer]
#28347961 - 06/05/23 08:36 AM (7 months, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28349977 - 06/06/23 06:53 PM (7 months, 18 days ago) |
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I am very interested in this area, if it promotes firing of nerves, then by deduction, the misfiring could sync, is that correct. I am interested in which species are being tested, and which are showing the beast results so far. And on what symptoms
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Anonymous #1] 4
#28351161 - 06/07/23 05:06 PM (7 months, 17 days ago) |
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i'm loving the artwork. I have impaired mobility due to highly painful neuronal damage in my damaged feet, so i relate to living in a small world, and the great wealth of experience that entheogens offer to people with very limited capacity to undergo healthy fully immersive experiences iof the body and mind.
The word "trip" has a holiday atmosphere and indeed for the impaired more than regular people a trip can be a vacation away from confining disability.
I'm glad ketamine was included, because its especially important to include it in a study involving neuronal function.
Dissociatives are associated with neuroprotective and neuroregenberative effects, if there is pain such as my foot it shuts the pain mostly out of your brain, unlike serotonin psychedelics that tend to highlight pain, at least to me. Psychedelics too work by creating a hole in your perception and filling it with Meaning, even though much more paisley and kaleidoscopic.
psychedelics tend to highlight perception, dissociatives tend to dissociate you away from your body and into your consciousness, putting large parts of your brain on screensaver, you shut down like having a stroke or dying, yet fear is diminished. Psychedelics intensify your cnnection with your body and senses. This is great, but not so great if you have so much pain you squirm and try not to alarm your neighbors with agonized noises of anguish that cannot be helped.
i hope good things will come of this study. if your left foot feels like they started your crucifixion early tough titty, but that's peripheral. Spinal cord injury is so central and consequences branch out all the way downstream.
If you are someone using entheogens and has spinal cord injury, or know someone who does, pleasw help this study.
Some of these people are in a deep struggle.
Let's help.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007]
#28353028 - 06/09/23 09:03 AM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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I look forward to seeing how the new neural pathways that mushrooms can open up might improve spinal cord injuries, I read a story about a guy that had a spinal cord injury and after he took cubensis he was able to walk better and doctors said it was because of opening up new neural pathways in the brain, very fascinating!
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Lucis]
#28353237 - 06/09/23 12:52 PM (7 months, 16 days ago) |
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New connections in the brain relate to pathways that already exist being flipped on as part of new memory by having ARC protein deposits at points with synchronous activation. Most of plasticity is this. Basically learning. And in this case, learning by doing, while not inhibited.
New connections in the spinal cord, however, may follow new findings in regeneration in amphibians and reptiles, yet to be discovered. These animals do regenerate nerve tissue, but it is not clear if a spinal cord can be fixed with this type of approach. Otherwise some new robotic prosthetics may come into common usage.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#28356178 - 06/11/23 08:13 PM (7 months, 13 days ago) |
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I had my SCI in 2018. Car accident. The only time I am pain free is when I’m tripping. It is the most magical part of the experience for me, getting my body back for a few hours. I filled it out, hope the info is valuable.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: MojaveMyc] 2
#28365248 - 06/19/23 09:16 AM (7 months, 6 days ago) |
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MojaveMyc said: I had my SCI in 2018. Car accident. The only time I am pain free is when I’m tripping. It is the most magical part of the experience for me, getting my body back for a few hours. I filled it out, hope the info is valuable.
i had my SCI in 2019, accident. been micor-dosing 200mg to 300mg every day since 2020, that magical moment during trpping "pain free", brother its like that but every day.

i filled it out and even gave names of pain meds i will never use again.
pain free for three years and counting.
surgery is too complicated to get but at least life is pain free
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa] 2
#28366535 - 06/20/23 01:56 AM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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So glad to hear of your relief Pesa.
most people are blessed enough not to realize what pain free of chronic pain means, because they never encountered it.
A friend had ALS it was unbeareable for him.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Asante] 1
#28366888 - 06/20/23 09:46 AM (7 months, 5 days ago) |
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i didn't knew different brain process pain and intensity of pain in different way. till i got MRI and found out this golden thing of brain pain processing.
i was on codeine searching for heroin or anything to make it stop, i went through "pain insanity" phase
got on marijuana same thing.
i grew shrooms while on codeine using disinformation of pf-tek and all that and got few pf cakes to birth and fruit. i didnt knew shroomery exists back then.
i took shrooms to make peace with death.
but its amazing how chain of events lead to something amazing.
i let go of trip while triping and enjoy pain free moment after a year.
i can imagine how painful ALS can get, nerve pain is the worse pain its the most worse hell i ever face and i am glad its coming to end.
all i am saying is people give chance to opioids knowing its addictive then they give chance to synthetic opioids so called non addictive but its still dependency,
morphine,Gabapentina then comes the psychological issue with SCI then begins the prozac, zoloft and list goes on and on all of the meds either attacking liver,stomach, muscles. ibuprofen damages liver its right there on the side effect section.
one of the side effects of zoloft is being on 40 beers 24 hours a day, week later soul begs you stop drinking.
if you know a good doctor give shrooms a chance.
yeah triping is great and all that but micro-dosing shrooms makes you happy,hungry,sleepy and enlightened pain free without side effect of being drunk as in zoloft all the time or being high as kite as Gabapentina.
the only side effect i observe on shrooms they change your mind,perception,thought process, imagination forever in a good way.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa] 1
#28368181 - 06/21/23 04:55 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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I love mushrooms forever
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#28368632 - 06/21/23 11:44 AM (7 months, 4 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: I love mushrooms forever
Mushrooms are my gateway to everything good about m,y life, what they made possible for me by healing my broken traumatized mind.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Asante] 1
#28375372 - 06/26/23 02:26 PM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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I'll have to read through everything later. I had a long-term c4 quadriplegic patient who claimed that he took mushrooms one time post accident and it made him feel like he was overheating to a dangerous point and he stated he would never take it again. It is notable that he did not have a normal sweat response to heat. Just thought I would share. I had brought it up to him because I met another guy through here who had had some kind of spinal cord injury from going to war in Afghanistan that he claims he found significant relief from with shrooms
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