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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: Asante]
#28375662 - 06/26/23 06:17 PM (6 months, 29 days ago) |
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imo, shrooms react differently to every brain, so when they make meds the side effect is part of meds, not all people get those side effects, its like a group of people that will get side effect no matter what other are in maybe category
in case of zoloft some people actually and i shit you not enjoy being drunk on 40 beers and some people plain simply vomit.
regarding shrooms they got there side effects, like some people do vomit no matter what they do its part of their trip the "purge"
and some other Common physical effects include dilated pupils, increased heart rate, increased blood pressure, dizziness, sweating, and changes in body temperature. Nausea, stomach discomfort, and vomiting are also possible.
and some people with SCI of lower back frequent urination
many people dont experience all the side effects.
before you hit on shrooms might wanna check on your blood pressure and heart, sensation of burning on shrooms is a thing.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
#28377205 - 06/27/23 11:26 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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How does this apply to nerve damage due to herniated disk that pinch nerves? Is that a part of this study?
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
#28377208 - 06/27/23 11:29 PM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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LOL you forgot massive diarrhea. Unless I do tea I get massive diarrea right off the bat and sometimes vomiting. But still, I'd rather that than the nerve pain.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: MushroomNSwiss]
#28377696 - 06/28/23 11:37 AM (6 months, 28 days ago) |
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the survey is about spinal cord injury, and i guess they are collecting all kind of data related to SCI.
thanx for pointing out lol shrooms causing diarrhea.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa] 1
#28378834 - 06/29/23 10:02 AM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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Psychedelics are a grapeshot, not just is there neurological activity but psychologically it can be helpful in making the unbearable, livable.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: MushroomNSwiss]
#28378953 - 06/29/23 12:26 PM (6 months, 27 days ago) |
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MushroomNSwiss said: LOL you forgot massive diarrhea. Unless I do tea I get massive diarrea right off the bat and sometimes vomiting. But still, I'd rather that than the nerve pain.
Try truffles. I find it's the chitin in caps that mess with the gi track. I go back and forth with all of it, micro and macro doses, caps and truffles, days in a row and days off. I can't find 1 correct thing to help the pain, depression, neuro deficits, sleep and GI problems. Theres no doubt they do help though, with all of it.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: bryguy27007]
#28380026 - 06/30/23 10:25 AM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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One thing I rarely see in these discussions is the qualified sourcing of the mushrooms; the race of the mushrooms, or the production protocols from which the mushrooms were obtained. Mushrooms contain various known and unknown compounds that can vary greatly from one race (strain) of mushroom to the next and also from one mushroom to another even in cloned samples.
Probably the most important part of the tedious production process of mushrooms is the end stage; being that regardless of growth conditions it is very important that the mushrooms be pasteurized and then stored properly. Given all the variables in clandestine operations and the fact that most mushrooms are not produced in a "kosher food type atmosphere", it is very important to attempt to limit undesirable microbes in the final product before it is offered for consumption.
Failing the pasteurization of the final product can most definitely lead to explosive diarrhea, vomiting, etc, etc. However these occurrences vary greatly among individuals, most likely directly relating to an individual's microbiome.
The "side effects" or more accurately stated; the "undesirable effects" of any substance can vary greatly from one individual to another and this is a demonstrated factual occurrence well known but not well considered by all of science.
Back on subject matter topic, there is no doubt that the known and unknown substances contained in varying amounts in p.cub races do stimulate neural activity to varying degrees when consumed, however the study of this will likely be inconclusive as there are too many unknown variables.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: george castanza]
#28380084 - 06/30/23 11:43 AM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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So my understanding is that there is now going to be functional magnetic resonance imaging that is at the five microns scale which is 64 million times higher in resolution. My understanding is that it is only been used on lizard scale animals.
However if it were possible to image spinal cord injury at this scale, would it not be possible to simply insert electrical wiring to connect the broken ends of the two nerves? Obviously they would need some kind of voltage gating mechanism but as long as you can get the scale down I don't see any reason why it couldn't be done especially with nano robotic technology becoming increasingly part of surgery.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: george castanza]
#28380135 - 06/30/23 12:11 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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i have mentioned in lot of my posts P. natalensis,AA+, penis envy, i used mixture of this for the past three years its the best cockatiel of pin-killer i have ever taken coming from person who use to be on codeine F**k codeine, very few doctors prepare their patient for the coming depression from SCI and depression is like a upside down tree it brings in a lot of other issues.
i think this explains very well what i am trying to say is
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i guess there is a lab out of South Africa that broke the news about P. natalensis,AA+ having anti-inflamatory properties back in 2021
but now more data came out, P. natalensis do contain anti-inflamatory,anti-virus-antibacterial the heck "they killed HIV virus" using extract of P.natalensis and thats not a claim thats a fact backed by lab work and report
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Compounds-identified-in-the-cold-water-hot-water-and-70-ethanol-extracts-of-P_tbl1_343999450
what else shrooms can do other than making a person that is laying on bed for year suffering,shit and piss on the same bed, giving that person 15g and during trip he walks, for the first time in a year mf that hits on level.......when you achieve something
three years later, i can even run and best part my hand dont shake.
imo shoormery community helped a lot of people, to get out of clandestine grow conditions and storage conditions.
we give a lot of BS a chance, i know i did i dated rainbow of pain-killers,spine injections in the end na mate shrooms is one pill for 90% of your problems.
edit: also one of effect of P. natalensis anti-diarrhoeal, you can eat them raw and wont get diarrhea
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
#28380157 - 06/30/23 12:29 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Aminopyridine
Only tangentially related but the same individual I mentioned with c4 quadriplegia resulting from a specific accident during late adolescence who cannot sweat to thermoregulate and who stated that he 'felt like he was dangerously overheating' is using this drug that is typically prescribed for multiple sclerosis to retard the rate of muscle degeneration. It does so apparently by increasing lateral traffic between the ascending and descending columns of the spinal tract. So while it does not repair damaged nerves it can simulate them being there to an extent in order to prevent muscle atrophy and contraction over time
My understanding is that it's only recently been tried out on spinal cord patients
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: morrowasted] 2
#28380208 - 06/30/23 01:28 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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I think to fix broken nerves we need nanite micromachines. It's not like just gluing the axons back together, because those parts distal from the cell body will likely become nonfunctional. However, the path of the nonfunctional broken end of each axon in a spinal injury could be followed by nanites (not yet invented) trailing a regenerating stub of the original affected neuron. Just putting it out there. This could be a great neuroregenerative approach, follow the broken fibre trail while regenerating nerve endings.
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#28380375 - 06/30/23 04:34 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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Most excellent replies.
Much to consider on this topic, since the shoormery is built to facilitate this type of discourse most of you will share the pride I feel in the knowledge that we are part of it.
I have some personal first hand and second hand knowledge that mushrooms can repair neural connections in a miraculous way (miraculous meaning unexplainable by current scientific standards).
I also have first hand knowledge that magic mushrooms definitely provide generation of neural plasticity as well as physical brain matter growth/repair and belive there is no reason this won't extend to spinal cord repair and functionality.
The true fact of the matter is that magic mushrooms did not aquire their name by any mistake or folly.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: george castanza]
#28380394 - 06/30/23 04:52 PM (6 months, 26 days ago) |
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something people don't talk about, people who got SCI they get erectile dysfunction and its part of SCI package deal depression, crippling pain,anxiety and erectile dysfunction and with lower back urge to pee all the time, shrooms take care of that too.
the reason i am putting it out there because when you get those damn things urethra tube and makes your wonder "its all over moment" and then that awkward conversation between doctor and patient, "will it ever stand", "will it ever work".
mf didnt knew this part of the shrooms they are god dman aphrodisiac+viagra after the trip this will happen.
many more will come to this conclusion in time, science is when facts after fact comes out the same.
shrooms are god damn amazing.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa] 2
#28380474 - 06/30/23 05:52 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Note, men get an erection during REM sleep, without any sex image or idea at all. it is a side effect of that dreaming state of mind. I am not surprised that Shrooms can generate the same effect because they can do the waking dream thing too.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28380581 - 06/30/23 07:36 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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SCI they get erectile dysfunction and its part of SCI package deal depression,
this is only halfway true....
The erection is largely a reflex in the same way that intestinal peristalsis or your heart pumping are a reflex. You cannot make your heart pump at 60 beats per minute simply by wanting it to. You can do various other things that may result in your heartbeat going to that rate, but you cannot simply make it 60 by willing it to be.
The patient I know of who had c4 quadriplegia could still very much get erections. He did maintain a prescription for Viagra in case he knew that he was going to be having a date that might result in sex. And yes, this quadriplegic man did have sex, with more different people and more often than I have to be frank.
Sometimes he would spontaneously become erect during the course of everyday care. The guy was very much straight as am I but he could not have a bowel movement on his own because he can't control his anal sphincter. So I would literally have to insert a finger into his rectum to stimulate the nerve there to make the sphincter contract and produce a bowel movement.
This area just so happens to be right by the prostate and it kind of doesn't matter whether you're straight or gay, if your prostate gets hit in the right way you just might get an erection.
I could also always tell when he had gotten laid the previous night or was about to get laid later that day because the frequency of the 'spontaneous' erections would increase. It was clearly unrelated to anything I was doing because I would just do the same things every day, and seemed clearly related to either his memories of the previous night or his expectations of what was to come
In any case perhaps too much information but long story shorts people with severe spinal cord injuries can still be as if not more sexually functional as their 'non disabled' counterparts. Generally speaking this isn't the case simply because there's a lot of logistical problems associated with dating or having sex with somebody who can't move their muscles. But his was not the general case.
The depression that results from spinal cord injury can be related to change in sex life but more often it's just related to the change in circumstances such that the person is now completely dependent upon others for most things. In many cases they cannot even commit suicide if they want to without finding somebody who will be complicit
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: redgreenvines]
#28380584 - 06/30/23 07:37 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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true,
we got way to less data on shrooms, its like handful of labs that conducted experiments and got some results, i guess in coming years, we will find out whats the real magic behind shrooms.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
#28380589 - 06/30/23 07:41 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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I mean they sort of Just cause a pseudo seizure in some parts of the nervous system while suppressing activity in other parts. This could be useful in some ways but it doesn't seem well targeted enough to be the best approach possible, if it helps at all
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#28380600 - 06/30/23 07:47 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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SCI they get erectile dysfunction and its part of SCI package deal depression,
this is only halfway true....
The patient I know of who had c4 quadriplegia could still very much get erections. He did maintain a prescription for Viagra in case he knew that he was going to be having a date that might result in sex. And yes, this quadriplegic man did have sex, with more different people and more often than I have to be frank.
Sometimes he would spontaneously become erect during the course of everyday care. The guy was very much straight as am I but he could not have a bowel movement on his own because he can't control his anal sphincter. So I would literally have to insert a finger into his rectum to stimulate the nerve there to make the sphincter contract and produce a bowel movement.
The depression that results from spinal cord injury can be related to change in sex life but more often it's just related to the change in circumstances such that the person is now completely dependent upon others for most things. In many cases they cannot even commit suicide if they want to without finding somebody who will be complicit
C4 is neck area, i am talking about lower back like L1 to L5.
this person got C4 injury and maintain prescription for Viagra thats what i am saying, SCI people need something to keep it erect and one of the definition of erectile dysfunction the dick wont reamin hard.
i got diagnose with depression after SCI it was not sex life in my case mf laying on bed 24 hours a day 7 days a week stuck with laptop and crippling pain. turns out human are not design to lay on bed for month after month.
i use to be on 8 pills now i just take micro-dose of 300mg of shrooms every day like med and get on with my life.
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
#28380692 - 06/30/23 08:43 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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Well the guy could be lying but from what he told me as long as the reflex happened and then stimulation continued then the Viagra was not really necessary, but that he liked having it around because being able to keep his dick hard pretty much indefinitely, along with having a gigantic dick to begin with, compensated for his inability to move.
I should add though that this guy clearly always had super high testosterone levels. He had been an All-Star football player in Texas, 6 ft 3" 260 lb of pure muscle, blonde... The works, like I said, pornstar status dick, and I've seen hundreds at work. He's been paralyzed for almost 9 years but retains a lot of muscle mass and sex drive in part because he claims he had so much to begin with and in parts because of other things like taking the amino pyridine and regularly using haptic feedback
For whatever it's worth he's an active spinal cord injury researcher at a premiere institution
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Re: Research into psychedelics use in spinal cord injury, please take the survey. [Re: pesa]
#28380693 - 06/30/23 08:43 PM (6 months, 25 days ago) |
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I can relate to that.
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