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Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish?
    #28334586 - 05/25/23 06:25 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)




would you?


i'm not talking of those pea protein vegan miracles, not talking insect burgers but actual bovine and tuna flesh, lab grown tissue?

lets say, it looks good, smells good, has the right consistency anbd mouth feel, it is nutritious delicious and passes through you better than the real thing, costing less than the real thing, without animal cruelty.

To avoid Trees going Kramer in my ratings: this is not a trap, there is no right answer or intent to shame people.

please mention your meateater status and why you would or wouldnt.

in this group, please be philosophical about discussing merits and objections. its a very profound concept, animal tissues without animals.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28334617 - 05/25/23 06:45 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)

Let’s be honest.
I’m sure we’ve all eaten worse.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Pluviophile]
    #28334784 - 05/25/23 09:39 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)

Yogurt
Tofu
Wine
Cheese
If it tastes good and provides nutrition and doesn't make you sick
It's better than killing the animals


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28334829 - 05/25/23 10:44 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)

Not only would I eat it, I'd love to try and make it myself.  Think about that's an industry that might have future application in space exploration?  People gotta eat


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28334830 - 05/25/23 10:50 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)

Lacto veg for many years. I don't think I'd eat it because not appealing.

In terms of why some yogis don't consume it, which is essentially those toxins, subtle or not, from fear and other unwanted states of the animal, I wonder if meat like that would still be considered having some carry, as they say there is no life without spirit, so something of the nature would be in it. Meat is considered tamasic, of inertia, darkness. Hindus generally may say no.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28334837 - 05/25/23 11:17 PM (7 months, 30 days ago)

If it tastes like the real thing, sure.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: nooneman]
    #28334945 - 05/26/23 02:41 AM (7 months, 30 days ago)

Growing or creating meat could be seen similar to growing a plant..

Time and effort..

3D organic printing..

A household printer where you can print a McDonald's burger.

If the cells are equal to that of naturally grown material.. then I see no reason not to embrace this technology.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28335027 - 05/26/23 04:27 AM (7 months, 30 days ago)

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would you?


i'm not talking of those pea protein vegan miracles, not talking insect burgers but actual bovine and tuna flesh, lab grown tissue?

lets say, it looks good, smells good, has the right consistency anbd mouth feel, it is nutritious delicious and passes through you better than the real thing, costing less than the real thing, without animal cruelty.

To avoid Trees going Kramer in my ratings: this is not a trap, there is no right answer or intent to shame people.

please mention your meateater status and why you would or wouldnt.

in this group, please be philosophical about discussing merits and objections. its a very profound concept, animal tissues without animals.




I would eat these, I think it's reasonable in regard to how many insects humans remove with insecticides to harvest our agricultural crops.

Be it lab grown, or insect processed, I like the idea of investing and continuing growth in both of them.

If we could efficiently capture the insects that feast on crops and harvest them for meat substitutes it'd be a sight to behold imo. Scale is adaptable.

I'd rather we capture the insects that feed on our crops, and eat them instead, rather than killing them with insecticides.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28335745 - 05/26/23 03:23 PM (7 months, 29 days ago)

I would be open to it. I'm skeptical of various things humans consume these days but not inherently against GM foods.

I eat lots of meat, beef, chicken, sardines, anchovies, occasionally salmon. I would eat GM meat if it was delicious. Would be interested in the fat profile, along with production cost and resource usage.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28347827 - 06/05/23 04:54 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Not a chance. If it didn’t have blood flowing in it’s veins, I don’t want it flowing in mine.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Mithorn]
    #28349081 - 06/06/23 02:32 AM (7 months, 19 days ago)

What the guy above said, but the opposite.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: psilocybinmansions]
    #28349093 - 06/06/23 02:54 AM (7 months, 19 days ago)



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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28353243 - 06/09/23 01:02 PM (7 months, 16 days ago)

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lets say, it looks good, smells good, has the right consistency anbd mouth feel, it is nutritious delicious and passes through you better than the real thing, costing less than the real thing, without animal cruelty.




For sure! But I'd take it even a step further, and do the same for fruits and veggies, and all the rest. Hell, let's build some Star Trek food replicators and synthesize all the food and drinks, and let nature be. Live symbiotically and in harmony with the rest of creation. One can only dream!


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28353976 - 06/10/23 02:26 AM (7 months, 15 days ago)

I'd eat it, sure, why not? If it were created in a high-tech laboratory which controlled its exact composition, taste, texture, and made environmental contamination impossible, it'd be safer to eat than real meat.

My understanding is because of the heat/energy and material inputs required, it's actually still much less efficient than current forms of livestock farming - albeit maybe better placed to hide these externalities - and there are many other issues to work out, including the physics of scaling to hypothetically make it cheap enough to be widely adopted by consumers.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Lion] * 1
    #28354045 - 06/10/23 05:12 AM (7 months, 15 days ago)

Lab grown meat it Not an alternative yet, cause you need insanely many liters of bovine fetal serum albumin for animal tissue culture, which is extracted from the blood of cow fetuses.
It's quiet cynical to call it an alternative imo lol

There should be more Research in substitutes for bovine fetal serum albumin, cause it's the magic key to ethical animal tissue culture...


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Mandrake Erpelmann]
    #28354201 - 06/10/23 08:06 AM (7 months, 15 days ago)

Fetus blood n milk baby :thumbup:


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #28356721 - 06/12/23 08:54 AM (7 months, 13 days ago)

If it tastes good/similar to regular animal meat, I don't really give a shit how it was created.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #28358313 - 06/13/23 11:22 AM (7 months, 12 days ago)

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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: FishOilTheKid] * 1
    #28358786 - 06/13/23 06:33 PM (7 months, 11 days ago)

you have catfood, dogfood, babyfood, it always appealed to me to have cans of humanfood, happy healthy human with good skin, clear eyes and shiny hair smiling on the tin, and in  it a delicious goop that has alkl nutrients in very healthy compositions, and you'd have different kinds like lowcarb, vegan, hard worker, pregnant etc. and a tongue in cheek brand name like Basic Bitch because you are skipping cooking


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28358832 - 06/13/23 07:07 PM (7 months, 11 days ago)

:thumbup:

I've thought I should be hooked up to some regimen of essential nutrients if I'm going to have people living inside my body and brain...!!:ifyoucanawe:


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28358849 - 06/13/23 07:18 PM (7 months, 11 days ago)

Ehh, there used to be consumer versions of comprehensive nutrition software. Now I can only find macro calculators. The human version of dog food is KFC and Doritos because that's what people want.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28359213 - 06/14/23 04:42 AM (7 months, 11 days ago)

I like sardines and dumplings with shrimp in my soup.

My wife is deathly anaphyllactically  allergic to peanuts, tree nuts, and beans, so no tofu here.

I fear lab grown stuff with have traces of tofu.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28363977 - 06/18/23 03:10 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

I would NOT eat that shit. I don't trust the government for shit. I definitely wouldn't trust them with my food.

But it doesn't surprise me that most of you would eat it considering 99% of you people also got the covid vaccine.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #28364329 - 06/18/23 12:30 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

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I would NOT eat that shit. I don't trust the government for shit. I definitely wouldn't trust them with my food.

But it doesn't surprise me that most of you would eat it considering 99% of you people also got the covid vaccine.


The government already regulates all the food you eat, unless you're just eating venison you've hunted and foraging for roots and berries.

And lab-grown meat would be produced and marketed by private companies, not the government. I can certainly understanding not wanting to try lab-grown meat, but your reasoning doesn't hold up.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Lion] * 1
    #28364363 - 06/18/23 12:58 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

There's a lot of shit I don't eat. I'm not going to simply trust lab grown meat... but I'm not opposed to it simply because it's GMO.

I also have read that lab grown meat currently isn't exactly eco-friendly due to the process/energy required to create clean growth media.

https://phys.org/news/2023-05-lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-potentially.html


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28370883 - 06/23/23 03:02 AM (7 months, 2 days ago)

Alright, people are working on substitutes for FBS (Fetal Bovine Serum) based on oilseed waste products instead of cow fetus blood for animal tissue culture.
thats quite straight forward, these protocols could be cool for other animal tissue cultures as well, like glands of the sonoran desert toad for 5 meo dmt, which would be a great thing for the species i guess...
regarding the upcoming alternatives for FBS, i would eat it for sure.
why not literally make beef steak fungus by the way? in terms of gene editing fungi to produce animal muscle protein.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28371266 - 06/23/23 11:58 AM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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I also have read that lab grown meat currently isn't exactly eco-friendly due to the process/energy required to create clean growth media.

https://phys.org/news/2023-05-lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-potentially.html




UC Davis is 10 miles down the road from me.  Davis is a nice place.

I've heard of this issue you bring up and am confused.  They state one of the challenges is they are currently using highly purified pharmaceutical media to cultivate lab grown meat - the type that is used in the biotechnology industry.

They say a goal of the industry is to "eventually create lab-grown meat using primarily food-grade ingredients or cultures without the use of expensive and energy-intensive pharmaceutical grade ingredients and processes."

Is pharmaceutical media a government regulatory requirement to grow meat?


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28371326 - 06/23/23 01:13 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

I'm not sure as the articles I've read aren't specific. I don't think the near term solution is FBS as the cost alone is prohibitive without refinement.

Here's an article that outlines several possible solutions: https://thespoon.tech/meet-three-startups-developing-growth-mediums-to-feed-cell-cultured-meat/


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28382129 - 07/02/23 06:44 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

If manufactured to scale for mass societal consumption, we will need autoclaves the size of Amazon distribution centers. Sounds pretty expensive to me. The whole question of artificial meat assumes there even is a breakeven point in terms of the environmental and capital costs to produce lab-meat.

What's wrong with eating more mushrooms?

I think lab-meat is going to be prohibitively expensive, but I'd eat it. Fresh sashimi with no parasites? Sign me up.

Once carniculturalists got the hang of growing, the flavor and texture quality could eventually be superior to the real thing.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28382155 - 07/02/23 07:08 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson] * 1
    #28382277 - 07/02/23 08:47 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

What's wrong with eating meat?


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz] * 2
    #28382728 - 07/02/23 02:14 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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What's wrong with eating meat?




I think it's still permitted as long as you don't use a gas stove or wood-fired pizza oven.

Also be sure to use grasshoppers.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #28382732 - 07/02/23 02:19 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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I would NOT eat that shit. I don't trust the government for shit. I definitely wouldn't trust them with my food.

But it doesn't surprise me that most of you would eat it considering 99% of you people also got the covid vaccine.




That's absolutely silly. The government won't grow the food, it will be grown for untaxed profits by subsidiaries of Pfizer, Astra-Zenica, GSK, and Merck.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28382738 - 07/02/23 02:21 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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I am at max mushrooms now




That sounds wonderful


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
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buuurpp


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    #28383066 - 07/02/23 10:30 PM (6 months, 23 days ago)

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buuurpp




Your voice has changed...
...but your breath still smells the same!


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28383183 - 07/03/23 05:16 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

I ate one and a half  funghi pizzas yesterday


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28383296 - 07/03/23 08:03 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

I eat meat.  I absolutely respect the choice of those who don't.

From what I've read and seen, some of the beef in particular those of you in the USA eat is already artificial, raised in factories where the cows never see grass, pumped with hormones to promote growth and antibiotics as a prophylactic.  By comparison, it's hard to imagine lab grown 'meat' being worse.

Real meat though is more than structured cells.  Even the flavour is dictated to some degree by bacteria, and the distribution of fat along with residual blood (apologies to anyone sickened by the thought) is vital.

Would I eat lab grown?  If they get to the stage where they produce a convincing steak, Sunday joint etc., then I'd give it a go.  Whilst it's pretty much burgers and mince, no thanks, I try to avoid the real versions.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Janus62]
    #28383406 - 07/03/23 09:45 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

I would eat it for animal rights reasons.  It spares animals from the the pain of being slaughtered.

I don't think the technology is quite there yet though.


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    #28383883 - 07/03/23 03:52 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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I eat meat.  I absolutely respect the choice of those who don't.

From what I've read and seen, some of the beef in particular those of you in the USA eat is already artificial, raised in factories where the cows never see grass, pumped with hormones to promote growth and antibiotics as a prophylactic.  By comparison, it's hard to imagine lab grown 'meat' being worse.





As an American beef farmer, I'm triggered by that generalization of American beef growers, and so offended... but since you can get arrested for offending me... instead of turning you in to the authorities, I am sending the balled eagle of hope your way to increase your testosterone until you are enlightened.

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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28384663 - 07/04/23 10:33 AM (6 months, 22 days ago)

How can we convince lions, eagles, and boa constrictors to switch to a plant-based diet?

I believe this is a problem the government should address.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28384698 - 07/04/23 10:56 AM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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Moses_Davidson said:
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Janus62 said:
I eat meat.  I absolutely respect the choice of those who don't.

From what I've read and seen, some of the beef in particular those of you in the USA eat is already artificial, raised in factories where the cows never see grass, pumped with hormones to promote growth and antibiotics as a prophylactic.  By comparison, it's hard to imagine lab grown 'meat' being worse.





As an American beef farmer, I'm triggered by that generalization of American beef growers, and so offended... but since you can get arrested for offending me... instead of turning you in to the authorities, I am sending the balled eagle of hope your way to increase your testosterone until you are enlightened.

https://i.redd.it/nplke05tmm231.jpg
(click link above)




Moses - I apologise without reservation and bow to your intimate knowledge of the industry.  In my defence, here in the UK we only get to hear about the beef factories and see tragic photos of production facilities without a blade of green.  It's refreshing to hear that it's not ubiquitous and I thank you for enlightening me (and for the awesome balled eagle!).

Stay safe and keep doing what you do :thumbup:


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Janus62]
    #28385468 - 07/04/23 10:23 PM (6 months, 21 days ago)

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Janus62 said:

Moses - I apologise without reservation and bow to your intimate knowledge of the industry.  In my defence, here in the UK we only get to hear about the beef factories and see tragic photos of production facilities without a blade of green.  It's refreshing to hear that it's not ubiquitous and I thank you for enlightening me (and for the awesome balled eagle!).

Stay safe and keep doing what you do :thumbup:




(Context for non-British humor people: I'm not really a beef farmer, and I don't really get offended by much!)

I'm glad the Eagle has inspired you. My work here is complete.

Actually 'Merica has some catching-up to do with the UK in terms of heraldic testosterone. Aren't there nearly ten dingalings in the Royal arms?


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