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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Asante]
    #28358849 - 06/13/23 07:18 PM (7 months, 11 days ago)

Ehh, there used to be consumer versions of comprehensive nutrition software. Now I can only find macro calculators. The human version of dog food is KFC and Doritos because that's what people want.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28359213 - 06/14/23 04:42 AM (7 months, 11 days ago)

I like sardines and dumplings with shrimp in my soup.

My wife is deathly anaphyllactically  allergic to peanuts, tree nuts, and beans, so no tofu here.

I fear lab grown stuff with have traces of tofu.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28363977 - 06/18/23 03:10 AM (7 months, 7 days ago)

I would NOT eat that shit. I don't trust the government for shit. I definitely wouldn't trust them with my food.

But it doesn't surprise me that most of you would eat it considering 99% of you people also got the covid vaccine.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #28364329 - 06/18/23 12:30 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

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I would NOT eat that shit. I don't trust the government for shit. I definitely wouldn't trust them with my food.

But it doesn't surprise me that most of you would eat it considering 99% of you people also got the covid vaccine.


The government already regulates all the food you eat, unless you're just eating venison you've hunted and foraging for roots and berries.

And lab-grown meat would be produced and marketed by private companies, not the government. I can certainly understanding not wanting to try lab-grown meat, but your reasoning doesn't hold up.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Lion] * 1
    #28364363 - 06/18/23 12:58 PM (7 months, 7 days ago)

There's a lot of shit I don't eat. I'm not going to simply trust lab grown meat... but I'm not opposed to it simply because it's GMO.

I also have read that lab grown meat currently isn't exactly eco-friendly due to the process/energy required to create clean growth media.

https://phys.org/news/2023-05-lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-potentially.html


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28370883 - 06/23/23 03:02 AM (7 months, 2 days ago)

Alright, people are working on substitutes for FBS (Fetal Bovine Serum) based on oilseed waste products instead of cow fetus blood for animal tissue culture.
thats quite straight forward, these protocols could be cool for other animal tissue cultures as well, like glands of the sonoran desert toad for 5 meo dmt, which would be a great thing for the species i guess...
regarding the upcoming alternatives for FBS, i would eat it for sure.
why not literally make beef steak fungus by the way? in terms of gene editing fungi to produce animal muscle protein.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28371266 - 06/23/23 11:58 AM (7 months, 2 days ago)

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Rahz said:

I also have read that lab grown meat currently isn't exactly eco-friendly due to the process/energy required to create clean growth media.

https://phys.org/news/2023-05-lab-grown-meat-carbon-footprint-potentially.html




UC Davis is 10 miles down the road from me.  Davis is a nice place.

I've heard of this issue you bring up and am confused.  They state one of the challenges is they are currently using highly purified pharmaceutical media to cultivate lab grown meat - the type that is used in the biotechnology industry.

They say a goal of the industry is to "eventually create lab-grown meat using primarily food-grade ingredients or cultures without the use of expensive and energy-intensive pharmaceutical grade ingredients and processes."

Is pharmaceutical media a government regulatory requirement to grow meat?


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #28371326 - 06/23/23 01:13 PM (7 months, 2 days ago)

I'm not sure as the articles I've read aren't specific. I don't think the near term solution is FBS as the cost alone is prohibitive without refinement.

Here's an article that outlines several possible solutions: https://thespoon.tech/meet-three-startups-developing-growth-mediums-to-feed-cell-cultured-meat/


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz]
    #28382129 - 07/02/23 06:44 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

If manufactured to scale for mass societal consumption, we will need autoclaves the size of Amazon distribution centers. Sounds pretty expensive to me. The whole question of artificial meat assumes there even is a breakeven point in terms of the environmental and capital costs to produce lab-meat.

What's wrong with eating more mushrooms?

I think lab-meat is going to be prohibitively expensive, but I'd eat it. Fresh sashimi with no parasites? Sign me up.

Once carniculturalists got the hang of growing, the flavor and texture quality could eventually be superior to the real thing.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28382155 - 07/02/23 07:08 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

I am at max mushrooms now


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson] * 1
    #28382277 - 07/02/23 08:47 AM (6 months, 24 days ago)

What's wrong with eating meat?


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Rahz] * 2
    #28382728 - 07/02/23 02:14 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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What's wrong with eating meat?




I think it's still permitted as long as you don't use a gas stove or wood-fired pizza oven.

Also be sure to use grasshoppers.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #28382732 - 07/02/23 02:19 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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I would NOT eat that shit. I don't trust the government for shit. I definitely wouldn't trust them with my food.

But it doesn't surprise me that most of you would eat it considering 99% of you people also got the covid vaccine.




That's absolutely silly. The government won't grow the food, it will be grown for untaxed profits by subsidiaries of Pfizer, Astra-Zenica, GSK, and Merck.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28382738 - 07/02/23 02:21 PM (6 months, 24 days ago)

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I am at max mushrooms now




That sounds wonderful


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28382789 - 07/02/23 03:31 PM (6 months, 23 days ago)

buuurpp


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28383066 - 07/02/23 10:30 PM (6 months, 23 days ago)

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buuurpp




Your voice has changed...
...but your breath still smells the same!


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Moses_Davidson]
    #28383183 - 07/03/23 05:16 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

I ate one and a half  funghi pizzas yesterday


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28383296 - 07/03/23 08:03 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

I eat meat.  I absolutely respect the choice of those who don't.

From what I've read and seen, some of the beef in particular those of you in the USA eat is already artificial, raised in factories where the cows never see grass, pumped with hormones to promote growth and antibiotics as a prophylactic.  By comparison, it's hard to imagine lab grown 'meat' being worse.

Real meat though is more than structured cells.  Even the flavour is dictated to some degree by bacteria, and the distribution of fat along with residual blood (apologies to anyone sickened by the thought) is vital.

Would I eat lab grown?  If they get to the stage where they produce a convincing steak, Sunday joint etc., then I'd give it a go.  Whilst it's pretty much burgers and mince, no thanks, I try to avoid the real versions.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Janus62]
    #28383406 - 07/03/23 09:45 AM (6 months, 23 days ago)

I would eat it for animal rights reasons.  It spares animals from the the pain of being slaughtered.

I don't think the technology is quite there yet though.


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Re: Would you eat artificially grown meat and fish? [Re: Janus62] * 1
    #28383883 - 07/03/23 03:52 PM (6 months, 22 days ago)

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I eat meat.  I absolutely respect the choice of those who don't.

From what I've read and seen, some of the beef in particular those of you in the USA eat is already artificial, raised in factories where the cows never see grass, pumped with hormones to promote growth and antibiotics as a prophylactic.  By comparison, it's hard to imagine lab grown 'meat' being worse.





As an American beef farmer, I'm triggered by that generalization of American beef growers, and so offended... but since you can get arrested for offending me... instead of turning you in to the authorities, I am sending the balled eagle of hope your way to increase your testosterone until you are enlightened.

https://i.redd.it/nplke05tmm231.jpg
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