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OfflineTodcasil
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narrow mind, open mind
    #2832533 - 06/27/04 06:38 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

there is not just one way of doing things.or even, there are many ways of doing things, and not one of them is the correct way or incorrect way, they are all just "ways to go". many people conform to the idea of family and work as there meat in life. many conform to art and reflection as their meat. but in general, it can be said that *most* people are just slaves to thir checking account. they feel like they have to make money to survive. some people think that people who dont make a lot of money arent contributing properly, and i will agree with point, but in a different light... they are not contributing to your ethic. they are prescribing to a different idea about work and money, that is a lot healthier in the long run.

being poor doesnt make you an unproductive person, but it can. brimming with money and work and things to do with family, contrary to popular belief , *can* make you unproductive in someone elses eyes.

having NO money doesnt make you unproductive. having lots of money can make you unproductive, just living off of a lup sum of money (or maybe a steady flow of cash) so you can consume what other people make for their steady flow of cash. its a delicate balance really, everyone feeding off of each others greed.

and it seems to be the concensus of some people that if you dont work often then you must have no ethics... when really its just a different ethic.

money is the root of all evil. i think money is the root of shutting the doors of peoples minds, and that could be considered very evil.

you can achieve it, if you can convince people to give you the money for it! ~ my thoughts on a business loan.

you can achieve it if you have enough money to do it already! but if you dont, then youll never make more money, without hard work, or at least some kind of work. that is true, but only if you value money.

and weve all been brainwashed, that money is value.

i think the unpolluted definition of value has a lot more to do with your perspective then what you hold in your pocket.

money can buy you everything, a house a wife a car, even lonliness.


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Todcasil]
    #2833102 - 06/27/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

hey doesn't this belong in the "rest of your life" thread?


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Todcasil]
    #2833185 - 06/27/04 01:23 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Move to China or North Korea. They live the "utopia" you envision.


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Todcasil]
    #2833191 - 06/27/04 01:24 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Human existence requires productive human effort. To say so is not being "close-minded", it is acknowledging the metaphysical reality of human existence. If the productive human effort you undertake is insufficient to support your own existence, then you will die unless some of the values (food, goods, services) produced by other humans through their productive effort is transferred to you. Again, this is not my opinion, this is an inescapable fact of the human condition.

and it seems to be the concensus of some people that if you dont work often then you must have no ethics... when really its just a different ethic.


This may be the opinion of many people, but it isn't mine. As long as you produce enough to support yourself and your dependent children I couldn't care less if you work forty hours a week or one week out of forty.

money is the root of all evil.

Incorrect. Money is a medium of exchange. If people were to trade marijuana buds for goods rather than trading gold or silver or pieces of paper, would that make nugs the root of all evil?

you can achieve it, if you can convince people to give you the money for it!

As long as you can persuade people to give you their stuff through non-violent and non-fraudulent means, go for it.

but if you dont, then youll never make more money, without hard work, or at least some kind of work.

Correct.

that is true, but only if you value money.

Or even if you don't. See my opening preamble.

and weve all been brainwashed, that money is value.

Many people are unable to distinguish between currency and the values currency can normally be traded for, yes. But most can.

i think the unpolluted definition of value has a lot more to do with your perspective then what you hold in your pocket.

How so? A value is something of use to a living entity. Regardless of what your "perspective" is regarding cyanide or sarin gas, food is of value because it furthers your existence as a living being, poison is not of value as it terminates your existence as a living being.

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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Todcasil]
    #2833258 - 06/27/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"Money is a medium of exchange. If people were to trade marijuana buds for goods rather than trading gold or silver or pieces of paper, would that make nugs the root of all evil?"

I think that in a sense, it *would* make nugs the root of all evil.  They would just happen to be something you can also smoke.

I'm reminded of a piece of art I saw once.  The artist began with a HUGE canvas (we'll say.. 25ft tall x 100ft wide) and completely covered the entire thing with ballpoint pen scribble.  It took a long time.  Some people say 'what a waste of time'.  The artist was simply trying to point out that human energy and effort are really what we value.  That is what money represents to us.  When we go and spend 9 bucks at a movie (yuck, btw), we are really trading an hour or so of our energy for the opportunity to see the film.

I can't remember where I wanted to go with that but since I wrote it out I might as well post it.  :dancing:


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Phred]
    #2833521 - 06/27/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

about half of my post was sarcastic, but thats okay. im not really trying to convince somebody of anything, just posting thoughts.


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Todcasil]
    #2834075 - 06/27/04 06:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"i think money is the root of shutting the doors of peoples minds"

right on


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2834952 - 06/28/04 12:45 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"Move to China or North Korea. They live the "utopia" you envision. "

actually, China is market socialist and have just now legalized private property.


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Todcasil]
    #2835020 - 06/28/04 01:20 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Todcasil said:
money is the root of all evil. i think money is the root of shutting the doors of peoples minds, and that could be considered very evil.




It's my belief that the root of all this evil is planted in Americans' heads at a young age. Before we really start to see any value of money, people are told that when they grow up they should have a good job. At least for me personally.

The love of excessive and free consumption I think isn't directly related to money itself. Although you could argue either way on whether consumption and materialism are the cause of money, or an effect.

Regardless, I still can't see how consumption or money are inherently evil. However, our economic system and the distribution of wealth are evil. But is that another thread? :tongue2:


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: ArmFromTheAbyss]
    #2835068 - 06/28/04 01:37 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i can admit my ranting can be a bit misguided at times... but in this i was just being sarcastic: (sarcastic parts in italics now)

money is the root of all evil. i think money is the root of shutting the doors of peoples minds, and that could be considered very evil. (personally i feel it is the love of money that is the root of all evil that i see today, but then ive never been witness to a hate crime).

you can achieve it, if you can convince people to give you the money for it!

anyways

peace


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Todcasil]
    #2835103 - 06/28/04 01:50 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

What is evil is the intent of the person who uses it. Money can bring great good or evil. Be cautious that your mind is not so "open" you are only seeing one viewpoint for it's true worth..


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Re: narrow mind, open mind [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2835107 - 06/28/04 01:52 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

did you see in the above posts how i cleverly stated my view with a "could be" in front of it? yeah, pretty clever of me.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.


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