|
dusteye


Registered: 10/25/22
Posts: 22
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Starting a religion 1
#28324649 - 05/18/23 11:15 AM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
|
|
Hey, I can’t be the first one to think about starting an religion organization to preotect our self from the state when we practice our right to spirituals consuming substance that nature provides for us.
I am not talking about an actual religion, that is a terrible destiny, we know that. I am just talking about a piece of paper that one would show to protect them self against governmental oppression
|
dusteye


Registered: 10/25/22
Posts: 22
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: dusteye]
#28324693 - 05/18/23 11:54 AM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
|
|
Maybe call it The filosofers Stone
|
syncro
Registered: 01/14/15
Posts: 2,696
Last seen: 7 minutes, 7 seconds
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: dusteye] 1
#28325087 - 05/18/23 04:06 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
|
|
It is decreed at the shroomery Stonedhenge, with an Icon of gravitational lensing, now known as the Filosof.
|
Lucis
Nutritional Yeast

Registered: 03/28/15
Posts: 15,622
Last seen: 1 month, 28 days
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: syncro]
#28326038 - 05/19/23 09:27 AM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
|
|
gravitational lensing is interesting, as is the event horizon of a black hole.
I would look up stuff related to Ayahuasca churches, I bet they know how to go about getting the proper paper work one would need to start such a belief structure.
-------------------- ©️
|
BrendanFlock
Stranger


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 4,216
Last seen: 2 days, 7 hours
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: Lucis]
#28327005 - 05/20/23 12:12 AM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
|
|
Religions exist because people share the same beliefs.. or are consolidating belief structures amongst people who share the same culture..
Therefore because of this..
I'm asking what do I need to do to join or become part of this religion?
|
jack_straw2208
Doctor



Registered: 02/12/07
Posts: 3,115
Loc: Earth
|
|
Send me $69.99
-------------------- If you can’t tell what you desperately need, it’s probably sleep.
|
syncro
Registered: 01/14/15
Posts: 2,696
Last seen: 7 minutes, 7 seconds
|
|
T-shirts are being made.
|
saintdextro
Entheogen psychonaut



Registered: 01/03/15
Posts: 584
Last seen: 7 months, 9 days
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: syncro]
#28327624 - 05/20/23 02:03 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
|
|
It's a Human right to take substance's. We were designed by nature to do so. 1 + 1 = 2. Education and Temperance, set and setting, baby clean conscience and honesty is recommended.
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
Edited by saintdextro (05/20/23 02:07 PM)
|
saintdextro
Entheogen psychonaut



Registered: 01/03/15
Posts: 584
Last seen: 7 months, 9 days
|
|
... and also Mindfulness, Kindness and Resilience suggested.
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
Edited by saintdextro (05/20/23 02:14 PM)
|
Lucis
Nutritional Yeast

Registered: 03/28/15
Posts: 15,622
Last seen: 1 month, 28 days
|
|
Quote:
BrendanFlock said: Religions exist because people share the same beliefs.
That's one way of seeing it.
I think some people like religion because it allows certain people to feel like they fit in to a community, many seek the comforts of a community and feeling safe in that community so they often join a religious establishment.
If your ideals are present within a certain group then you will send your kids to schools related to the ideals of that group and take your family to gatherings which promote those ideals, I am thinking of Catholics when I am writing this because Catholics often have their houses of fellowship align with education.
Many stay in touch with a religion during their life because that religion makes them feel safe in their community and helps make their community better.
If you know your neighbors are Catholic you will probably feel safer around them which is why in certain communities we see people with similar beliefs acting at ease but when people come that upset the white picket fences then things can get interesting because it challenges the status-quo.
-------------------- ©️
|
PatrickKn


Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 20,560
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: dusteye] 2
#28328822 - 05/21/23 01:34 PM (8 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
I think starting a religion which you have no spiritual attachment to merely as a convenient excuse to take drugs is a terrible way to go about things.
For one, you probably wouldn't be granted any religious exemptions in most countries as there isn't any history of use in any culture you share necessarily, a common prerequisite for establishing traditional use.
Secondly, it bastardizes actual religious attempts at exemptions for use in cultures which do have a cultural foundation for use of some otherwise banned substances. You provide ammo for anti-drug lobbies to prevent such movements by being a insincere actor they can point to.
Thirdly, I think it convolutes legalization efforts which have no foundation in religious freedom. If you truly believe that people should have the right to take entheogenic or psychedelic substances on their own behalf, I suggest dropping the faux-religious veil entirely and working towards a philosophy that supports the legal right to imbibe without the need for religious protections.
|
Lucis
Nutritional Yeast

Registered: 03/28/15
Posts: 15,622
Last seen: 1 month, 28 days
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: PatrickKn]
#28329307 - 05/21/23 10:22 PM (8 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
that's a great response!
-------------------- ©️
|
syncro
Registered: 01/14/15
Posts: 2,696
Last seen: 7 minutes, 7 seconds
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: PatrickKn]
#28329594 - 05/22/23 07:03 AM (8 months, 3 days ago) |
|
|
nm
Edited by syncro (05/22/23 07:04 AM)
|
dusteye


Registered: 10/25/22
Posts: 22
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#28329660 - 05/22/23 08:23 AM (8 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
I think you make a loot of sense, except the first part. I am a spiritual person and I think many people doing psychedelics are, most even. It’s hard not to become at least aware that there are more then what you can see when in a normal state of consciousness, when you take this stuff.
Can only speak for me but I do mushrooms to search for deeper insights and to heal my self from this broken society that I live in and I think I am not alone. Sure I do mostly recreational doses and I like to feel good, but that I find heals me. I need something more then what the material world offers me or I get super depressed and anxious.
So the spiritual part it not a lie, it is my church. But I don’t believe in a hierarchical structures where you would have priests and leaders that speak as if they have some kind of authority of what the truth is. That’s why the church would more be a loosely fit piece of document that would maybe only have a broad range of ideas that everyone can agree on. I haven’t really been thinking to much about this so I’m not fully qualified to talk to much about it. I thought this would be a good place to flush things out.
However your points are absolutely valid and something one should absolutely avoid. Great input!
|
saintdextro
Entheogen psychonaut



Registered: 01/03/15
Posts: 584
Last seen: 7 months, 9 days
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: dusteye]
#28330193 - 05/22/23 03:59 PM (8 months, 2 days ago) |
|
|
maybe the Unitarian Universalist would accept us?
-------------------- "He who finds peace and joy And radiance within himself That man becomes one with God And vanishes into God's bliss." -Bhagavad Gita, 5.24 One 21 - Building Better Bombs One 21 - Pacified One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine "Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti
|
BrendanFlock
Stranger


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 4,216
Last seen: 2 days, 7 hours
|
|
On paper you are correct under the law of deserving happiness and prosperity.
|
Asante
Mage


Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,793
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: dusteye]
#28332560 - 05/24/23 01:13 PM (8 months, 19 hours ago) |
|
|
Quote:
dusteye said: Hey, I can’t be the first one to think about starting an religion organization to preotect our self from the state when we practice our right to spirituals consuming substance that nature provides for us.
I am not talking about an actual religion, that is a terrible destiny, we know that. I am just talking about a piece of paper that one would show to protect them self against governmental oppression
is it relatable to you that to someone devoted to God with great personal sacrifice, your post is offensive?
you want to create a deliberately fake religion, to exploit a religiouds freedom amendment given to the near genocided Native Americans, to hide behind God and these honorable people to use drugs.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
|
BrendanFlock
Stranger


Registered: 06/01/13
Posts: 4,216
Last seen: 2 days, 7 hours
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: Asante]
#28333297 - 05/24/23 08:45 PM (8 months, 11 hours ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Asante said:
Quote:
dusteye said: Hey, I can’t be the first one to think about starting an religion organization to preotect our self from the state when we practice our right to spirituals consuming substance that nature provides for us.
I am not talking about an actual religion, that is a terrible destiny, we know that. I am just talking about a piece of paper that one would show to protect them self against governmental oppression
is it relatable to you that to someone devoted to God with great personal sacrifice, your post is offensive?
you want to create a deliberately fake religion, to exploit a religiouds freedom amendment given to the near genocided Native Americans, to hide behind God and these honorable people to use drugs.
People want to use and buy drugs legally.
They will do anything..
|
WhoManBeing
PsychedelicYogi



Registered: 09/01/13
Posts: 3,773
Loc: Oregon
Last seen: 2 days, 15 hours
|
|
The church of the sixties claiming LSD sacrament with theme song,
Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, Life is but a dream.
-------------------- Hip, hip... WhoRAy!!! Eye was thinking the other day... ahh, thinking never done me no good.
|
FishOilTheKid
Ascended



Registered: 11/14/10
Posts: 5,401
Last seen: 19 hours, 48 minutes
|
|
|
dusteye


Registered: 10/25/22
Posts: 22
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: Asante]
#28341621 - 05/31/23 08:53 AM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
That was never my intention, English is not my native language and I did not formulate my self good it that was how you felt. I am a spiritual person and if you read my later comment you would have had some more insight on how I feel
|
dusteye


Registered: 10/25/22
Posts: 22
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
|
My intent was not to make an fake religion. I miss wrote or your just not getting my angle. I find using mushroom vary much brings me closer to the spiritual, I thought that was a given!? I wrote another comment where I explain my self a little more.
|
dusteye


Registered: 10/25/22
Posts: 22
Last seen: 1 month, 29 days
|
|
Thanks! Joined!
|
syncro
Registered: 01/14/15
Posts: 2,696
Last seen: 7 minutes, 7 seconds
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: dusteye]
#28341656 - 05/31/23 09:22 AM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
The humor of it is not in a religion but the state's imposition, likely for the sake of pharma, so making a religion around the Flintstones if desired may be a suitable response.
Plus it's having fun with assuming the authority (making t-shirts and selling memberships). People take a seminar and hold themselves as teachers, (charging money) etc. Not that I think OP is doing that.
And taking a seminar and teaching a method is not necessarily wrong in itself, to add to the confusion.
Edited by syncro (05/31/23 09:28 AM)
|
Buster_Brown
L'une


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 11,309
Last seen: 1 day, 21 hours
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: syncro]
#28342341 - 05/31/23 06:29 PM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
Remember the thread with "Go west young man"? Well I found a place amongst the freaks on Wisteria Island Key West The first thing I did was pluck and eat a cactus fruit resulting in barbs in my tongue. Is that karmic?
|
syncro
Registered: 01/14/15
Posts: 2,696
Last seen: 7 minutes, 7 seconds
|
|
Not sure which thread you mean? When I was a kid in the keys I sat on a cactus and needed to be dethorned. But yes I think any movement at all would be karmic, cause and effect.
|
Buster_Brown
L'une


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 11,309
Last seen: 1 day, 21 hours
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: syncro]
#28342812 - 06/01/23 07:55 AM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
|
|
Hmmm...barbed tongue
|
syncro
Registered: 01/14/15
Posts: 2,696
Last seen: 7 minutes, 7 seconds
|
|
Watch out for the Wisterion, the most powerful demon on the island of Morrowindl (Wisteria?), these brought in the effects of use of elven magic. You may be a match if now having the power of the basilisk, but should be quick with your gaze.
|
durian_2008
Cornucopian Eating an Elephant



Registered: 04/02/08
Posts: 16,666
Loc: Raccoon City
|
Re: Starting a religion [Re: syncro]
#28353178 - 06/09/23 11:31 AM (7 months, 15 days ago) |
|
|
A religious 'pilgrim' might just relocate to a place where it is legal, without having to file a 501c3.
|
|