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OfflineDMTrott

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The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge * 5
    #28321423 - 05/16/23 05:06 AM (8 months, 8 days ago)

Note that the psychedelics are covered in sections 2.2 and 3.2, but in fact permeate much of the rest of the book. I thus feel that I should post this here; especially as I spent years lurking and researching for it here. If this is not okay, just let me know, and I’ll leave with tears in my eyes, and close the door behind me. 
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THE DRUG USERS BIBLE: DOWNLOAD IT FREE OF CHARGE HERE

This was always the plan. My book, all 638 pages of The Drug Users Bible, is now FREE to download as a PDF. To get your copy… please read this: ===>

1. WHAT IS IT?
In a nutshell, it’s a harm reduction reference tome. From Amazon:
“Over a 12 year period the author of this book self-administered over 180 psychoactive substances; both chemicals and plants. For each he recorded the life-sensitive safety data, including the anticipated onset times, the common threshold doses, the routes of administration, and the expected duration of the experience. In addition, for every compound he also produced a trip report, detailing the qualitative experience itself. This delivered another invaluable insight, enabling, for example, an objective assessment of the extent of any loss of judgement and self-control.”

2. WHY IS IT NOW FREE?
It was written to make a difference: to get critical harm reduction and safety data into the hands of as many people as possible, whatever their drug of choice.

The starting point was that I’m old and I like to read my books on paper. Hence, I wrote it for paper and always visualised it as the real physical book it became. That’s how it has always been sold, and still is. I know it has already helped a significant number.

HOWEVER, on paper it does cost $$$. I can’t change that, but what I can do, finally, is provide it for free as a PDF. So if you are happy with a non-paper version, and not too frustrated with this sort of navigation, you can now download it without charge.

You can have it on your phone, your PC, your laptop, or anywhere else you want it.

3. HOW YOU CAN HELP OTHERS
It really is vital that we make harm reduction information ubiquitous within our community. It really is ignorance that kills so many of us. We really really must do our best as a community to make safety practices second nature, and get the essential data to everyone who needs it.

You can help with this project. Please do help.

If you are able, please download it and re-upload it to wherever is appropriate: to anywhere from which anyone who uses drugs may see it, and be able to download it themselves for free. Or alternatively just share the download link.

Ignorance kills, but I hope that some of you will help to save some of those lives. The portability of a PDF may help to at least put the idea of harm reduction on the agenda where it was previously overlooked.

4. WHERE CAN I GET IT?
The various links are as follows:

Download from my Google Drive:
https://bit.ly/3L2gCDH  [Low Resolution 12MB]

Download from my Google Drive:
http://bit.ly/3LfpDvb      [Standard Resolution 60MB]

Download from Microsoft One Drive: https://bit.ly/40DlchA

Download from Mega: https://bit.ly/3oFJBG9

Download from Apple iCloud: https://bit.ly/44aGKoW

Download from DropBox: https://bit.ly/3HdTEsa

A complete and growing list of download locations will be maintained on the following page: https://www.drugusersbible.com/2018/01/pdf.html

As it is a drug book it could be banned by any of the clearnet hosts at any time, so it is probably a good idea to download it sooner rather than later.

5. FINALLY
Thank you for any support you can give to this project. Together, let’s try to make a difference. If you have any questions, at all, please don’t hesitate to ask.


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Ignorance Kills, Education Saves Lives


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OfflineDMTrott

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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28336676 - 05/27/23 09:04 AM (7 months, 28 days ago)

A follow up story has emerged from this in the form of support from Dread, and a growing number of the major drug markets providing a copy to consumers at point of drug sale:
https://dmtrott.medium.com/a-positive-drug-story-c98a324af201

That seems to be significant to me, so I hope it makes a difference.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28376149 - 06/27/23 06:36 AM (6 months, 28 days ago)

PROJECT UPDATE
I referred above to the idea of offering harm reduction information to consumers at point of darknet drug purchase.

The good news is that we have now reached another milestone: I have continued to communicate with the major darknet markets (of which there are 8), and we now have a majority offering the free PDF to consumers.

I'm more than chuffed about this. However, I don't think it is out of the question that we can get all 8 on board, so I intend to persevere. Fingers crossed.

Remember that ignorance kills, education saves lives. Stay safe. :-)


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28457894 - 09/04/23 02:13 AM (4 months, 21 days ago)

PS: I am sometimes asked why The Drug Users Bible was converted to a PDF rather than a website. This segment explains the reasons:

WHY IS THE DRUG USERS BIBLE A PDF?
The Drug Users Bible was written to make a difference: to reach as many consumers as possible, and ideally, to imbed a harm reduction check-point into the individual’s drug-usage process, whatever their drug of choice.  But how to reach the consumer who is perhaps in a social setting and is short on time?

The answer for many will be via their mobile phones; and the provision of instant access to something the individual actually owns (the PDF). This sense of ownership is undoubtedly a factor in terms of motivation to reference.

Further, upon opening the PDF there is no requirement to search or to think or to work anything out. All that is needed is a swipe down to that drug of choice.

Note also that the book’s layout was specifically designed with this in mind: for each drug the essential data is at the top of the page, followed by a break in the form of a photograph, and then the ‘delve deeper’ in the form of text and detail.

For many, this is surely the most cogent scenario in terms of preventing tragedy. It’s possibly as simple as it gets. Alternatively, the PDF can be used on a PC or laptop or wherever is required.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28503010 - 10/13/23 09:18 AM (3 months, 13 days ago)

UPDATE: THE DARKNET HARM REDUCTION PROJECT
We now have 18 (eighteen) darknet drug markets offering free harm reduction information to customers via provision of The Drug Users Bible in one form or another. This constitutes almost all markets of significance.

HOW WE GOT HERE…
The importance of this development is multifaceted; but its impact upon safety and the story of how we actually got here are probably best described on the Volteface (a drug charity) website:

Quote:

On visiting a doctor and being prescribed medication it is taken for granted that you will be provisioned with the requisite information to proceed in a safe and sensible manner.

With respect to recreational drugs and medicines, however, this is not the case, despite a myriad of additional risks which are largely created via prohibition (such as the potential for substance impurity and mis-identification).

With this in mind, and with the support of the Darknet’s social media platform, Dread, the author approached all the major darknet markets. The vision was, of course, the provision of essential harm reduction information at the point of drug purchase
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This has been a tremendous effort by many, and I'm sure that in the fullness of time it will make a significant difference.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28618246 - 01/12/24 01:33 AM (15 days, 17 hours ago)

UPDATE: Almost all the darknet markets are now providing this PDF free-of-charge to all their customers, as per the following Substack article:
https://open.substack.com/pub/dmtrott/p/drugs-the-darknet-and-the-media-my

Although this won't be reported by the media anytime soon, hopefully it will make a difference.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28618371 - 01/12/24 06:42 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

My thoughts, I am going to be blunt here.

Why is 2.3.18 not available for viewing?

It seems like a list of trip reports, not a harm reduction tome.
It seems like section 1.1 is nearly all there is on harm reduction and the rest is a drug diary imitating material Shulgin published.

There is a shit ton of important stuff missing from this.
Like how meth, for example, increases calorie requirements as well as vitamin requirements. In other words a huge part of harm reduction is altering the dietary and vitamin intake to account for the impact on the body. Without tolerance some drugs can overheat or cause blood pressure issues in first time users, yet in the individual sections there is basically none of that kind of useful information.

Take Nitrous Oxide, it causes vitamin deficiencies. Heavy use leads to permanent nerve damage by depletion of B vitamins. Harm reduction information for this substance should include things like this, a user can avoid the issue by taking excess B vitamins. Speaking of this, does it even have a section on Nitrous?

My view is that this is far from the harm reduction piece it is intended to be. It's more like listening to someone brag about their drug use at an NA meeting. There is very little harm reduction material in the work. The individual drug sections are missing pretty much all of the substance specific harm reduction points that users need to be safer.

In the work it tells people to do their own research about things. Rather than provide the information needed it basically tells people to UTFSE and then provides a list of drugs the author took.

If you are going to write and distribute harm reduction information, then why not do that? How will distributing this help users be safer?
Dealers like it because it advertises drugs they sell by listing numerous drug experiences like food reviews.

I don't even want to write what I think about the San Pedro section.

To me the subject of Harm Reduction is very serious and passing this work off as an attempt to do that is fucking offensive. That's my polite version of my opinion on that.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott] * 1
    #28618381 - 01/12/24 06:56 AM (15 days, 12 hours ago)

I think it's wonderful. And the information is applicable to the general population.
I can't get it to download.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28618423 - 01/12/24 07:48 AM (15 days, 11 hours ago)

There is a serious need for real harm reduction work.

Consider that people use things like air duster and rubber cement fumes to get high. I've met people who huffed gasoline to get high.

Where are these things in the book?

They aren't there, because it isn't a book about harm reduction for drug users, it is just a list of drugs that the author took.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28618433 - 01/12/24 08:02 AM (15 days, 11 hours ago)

To be more clear, I have two objections to the work.
The first is that it  clearly isn't about harm reduction. That objection disappears if the work isn't passed off as a harm reduction tome.

The second objection is that a lot of the information is incomplete, outdated or incorrect. The author has used quite a few drugs but appears to know surprisingly little about them and they repeat a number of myths and misconceptions.

The book does contain a lot of useful and relevant information about drug use that users can find handy, it is not a bad work in that sense. One could even see it as a type of guide for drug use, it works well as that, but the idea that it is a harm reduction tome is quite offensive to me. I take harm reduction very seriously and this book is not an example of quality harm reduction information.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott] * 1
    #28622197 - 01/15/24 01:34 PM (12 days, 5 hours ago)

I am looking at it now and I think it is great so far.

Part of harm reduction is education . So we make more educated decisions.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28622422 - 01/15/24 05:19 PM (12 days, 2 hours ago)

And yet:

Where is the treatment protocol for ingestion of excess MDMA?
Like cold showers and hydration?

There is nothing like that in the work. It is literally missing tons of harm reduction information that can and does save lives. People who are literally dying from something like excess ingestion of amphetamine-like molecules cannot be helped by this work.

It's crazy to call this a harm reduction tome.

It has good info, but it is a journal of drug use of one person who has nothing to say about numerous drugs that people use and are harmed by, in addition to it lacking life saving information about the drugs he does mention.

If you were going to write a book about harm reduction for drug users why not include information that can and does save lives? Like WTF?

I know it seems like I'm being a dick about this, but seriously, this is life and death stuff.

Harm reduction isn't a game or a matter of bragging what drugs you have tried and there is a hell of a lot more to it than just testing to see what things are.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: Nillion] * 2
    #28622862 - 01/16/24 01:45 AM (11 days, 17 hours ago)

Quote:

Nillion said:And yet:




Generally cited dose thresholds, duration, onset time, qualitative experience summary, general safety protocols, specific practice guidance (e.g. IV, nasal care)... I could go on for a long long time. This is all important harm reduction information, and as far as I am aware it is unique in book and portable-PDF form. 

It's not difficult to superficially (and incorrectly) tear down 12 years of anyone's work, and after four lengthy comments shooting at anyone who disagrees, you seem to be particularly determined to have a go. Much of what you write there is just ridiculous.

Anyone can do this with any book. I mean, that Shulgin chap, only covering psychedelics, monolithic layout and not even any photographs in there. And as for that Mckenna fella, I bought his book 'Food of the Gods' and there's no mention of hallucinogenic fish (sarpa salpa)! Totally useless the pair of them.

It's a lot harder to actually do the work and make the effort. It's also worth pointing out that after 638 pages I had to stop at some point. So many people are suffering, right now, today, for lack of access to even the most basic of information. Hopefully this project will continue to reach more of them. Perhaps a more positive use of your time would be to lend a hand.

If you believe that you can do a better job, I look forward to seeing it sometime in the future. As I prefer to be productive I'm not going argue further with you.

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Finally, for everyone else reading this, remember that the PDF is free: please do download it and see for yourself. Above all... stay safe. :-)


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Author of The Drug Users Bible
Ignorance Kills, Education Saves Lives


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623016 - 01/16/24 06:53 AM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Like your book Shulgin's work contains excellent information, but his work isn't claimed to be about harm reduction.

As mentioned, your work is missing valuable life saving information that is vital to harm reduction.

It is a great drug journal, but it is not harm reduction oriented and claiming it is seems spectacularly egoistic and dishonest to me.

I actually typed up drug specific harm reduction information and circulated it among local addicts in 2016 and it included how to maintain health, get medical attention and it included life saving information that people can use to prevent death if they or their friends ingest too much of certain drugs.

The only problem was that most addicts don't read much at all.
So I then gave small lectures to specific people, including a couple of dealers and this information was disseminated successfully.

I also included recovery times for cognitive normalcy, basically one has to be sober 9-18 months before the brain starts returning to normal after certain types of addiction. Harm reduction is a passion I have had for a long time. This is all valid criticism and you invited that with your first post. Note also that I had the option of writing these things anonymously and didn't do so. I'm not talking shit, I'm being legit.

You could save lives if you actually included life saving information in the book.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623024 - 01/16/24 07:07 AM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Quote:

DMTrott said:
PS: I am sometimes asked why The Drug Users Bible was converted to a PDF rather than a website.




Because when you made it a commercial website and called it the Drug Users Bible and tried to sell it as a book in 2022, it didn't make any money?

https://www.drugusersbible.com

Note that you didn't mention that part or include a link to that site in your post here.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0995593698/

Your motivation was greed, not harm reduction and the contents and history of how you have approached that show this quite clearly.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: Nillion]
    #28623026 - 01/16/24 07:14 AM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

There you go: more of the same myopia, and verging on the abusive. Perhaps you could run along now and allow others to make their own minds up, rather than trying to go round in circles with me.

FWIW it was originally, and still is, a successful paperback: this is even stated at the front of the PDF.

You've made this thread quite toxic. Congrats, and bye.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623029 - 01/16/24 07:17 AM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

I am letting people make up their minds.

I am providing valid criticism about what I feel is a dishonest attempt to pass off a drug journal as a harm reduction work.

People can indeed decide for themselves what they think.

I did.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623034 - 01/16/24 07:22 AM (11 days, 12 hours ago)

Nor am I the only person who has had these observations:
https://www.amazon.com/Drug-Users-Bible-Extended-Mitigation/dp/0995593698#customerReviews

Quote:

Drugs are not going away and we need education more than demonisation.
So I completely agree with the premise of this book! I really loved the health and safety and 10 commandments section.
However, I would have loved this book to give me more objective facts about the individual drugs (i.e. some specific info about before and aftercare with the individual drugs, about research and possible effects /good and bad/, about what to avoid and so on and so on). This book however, is mostly subjective experience reports. Which, don't get me wrong, if you have never heard about any experiences or don't want to google, you might get something out of. I commend the author for his experimenting and his orientation to detail, but when I look up a drug in this book the only thing I'll get is name(s) for the drug, it's delivery form, often very vague or nonexistent dosage information, origin, duration and rating on the shulgin scale. The author then uses most of the rest of the individual articles to decribe his own experience. Very randomly you get some actual objective individual safety information on the drug. I also am a bit skeptic on whether or not this book is thoroughly researched in an academic sense (of course academic research can be biased as well!




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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: Nillion]
    #28623049 - 01/16/24 07:37 AM (11 days, 11 hours ago)

You are still at it? You are working particularly hard on this one, and you have even found someone else like you out there. Perhaps: or perhaps you actually wrote that yourself... who knows (or cares). No I'm not going to post the hundreds/thousands of comments stating the opposite.

After 8 hostile posts I thought you were allowing others to make their own minds up? I saw that a couple of members did so earlier, and you got your teeth into them. I suspect that's what lies in wait should anyone else raise their heads above the parapet. 

I wonder if this sort of toxic trolling is okay with the mods here.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623112 - 01/16/24 08:41 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

So you are calling me a troll now?

Because I shared my opinion about the book?
Because I pointed out that I am not the only person with that opinion?

Is valid criticism actually trolling a person?

I do find the idea that this is a harm reduction work to be dishonest and insulting to those who actually do that work as well as insulting to those who died from lack of good information that can save lives, information that is entirely absent from your book. That's not an insult, it's a valid opinion.

Quote:

After 8 hostile posts I thought you were allowing others to make their own minds up? I saw that a couple of members did so earlier, and you got your teeth into them.




I provided a counter argument, I didn't put my teeth into or insult anyone, including you.  I also asked several questions that you ignored.

Where is the section on Nitrous oxide?
What about inhalants, like gasoline and rubber cement?

I believe that you are unable to respond to valid criticism.

Why did you include so little information about harm reduction in a book supposed to be about harm reduction?
Real question.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: Nillion]
    #28623139 - 01/16/24 08:57 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

I’m not even reading your stuff anymore. Instead, I’ll just re-post my earlier comment (see below), which summarizes the position.

I’ve seen this sort of trolling against people before, on other forums on other topics. One individual takes residence, posting again and again and again against the OP, and usually anyone who contradicts them. It goes on forever, and is toxic, destructive of the thread and damaging to the forum.

I’m not taking your bait. Hopefully the above noise will be moderated.

Quote:

DMTrott said:
Generally cited dose thresholds, duration, onset time, qualitative experience summary, general safety protocols, specific practice guidance (e.g. IV, nasal care)... I could go on for a long long time. This is all important harm reduction information, and as far as I am aware it is unique in book and portable-PDF form. 

It's not difficult to superficially (and incorrectly) tear down 12 years of anyone's work, and after four lengthy comments shooting at anyone who disagrees, you seem to be particularly determined to have a go. Much of what you write there is just ridiculous.

Anyone can do this with any book. I mean, that Shulgin chap, only covering psychedelics, monolithic layout and not even any photographs in there. And as for that Mckenna fella, I bought his book 'Food of the Gods' and there's no mention of hallucinogenic fish (sarpa salpa)! Totally useless the pair of them.

It's a lot harder to actually do the work and make the effort. It's also worth pointing out that after 638 pages I had to stop at some point. So many people are suffering, right now, today, for lack of access to even the most basic of information. Hopefully this project will continue to reach more of them. Perhaps a more positive use of your time would be to lend a hand.

If you believe that you can do a better job, I look forward to seeing it sometime in the future. As I prefer to be productive I'm not going argue further with you.

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Finally, for everyone else reading this, remember that the PDF is free: please do download it and see for yourself. Above all... stay safe. :-)




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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623145 - 01/16/24 09:00 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

And I ask again, why is the work missing so much vital life saving information about drug use?

Why did you choose to claim it is about harm reduction and not include most of the information that is relevant to harm reduction?

Feel free to complain to moderators, I expect more than one has a strong dislike for me. I've had that impression for sure.

Still, they tend to be reasonable and I will abide by their advice.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623160 - 01/16/24 09:13 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

I forgot: in cases like this, the perpetrator must always have the last word, and the pesky moderators always cop some flack too. Classic trolling pattern.

Case closed. 

Quote:

DMTrott said:
Generally cited dose thresholds, duration, onset time, qualitative experience summary, general safety protocols, specific practice guidance (e.g. IV, nasal care)... I could go on for a long long time. This is all important harm reduction information, and as far as I am aware it is unique in book and portable-PDF form. 

It's not difficult to superficially (and incorrectly) tear down 12 years of anyone's work, and after four lengthy comments shooting at anyone who disagrees, you seem to be particularly determined to have a go. Much of what you write there is just ridiculous.

Anyone can do this with any book. I mean, that Shulgin chap, only covering psychedelics, monolithic layout and not even any photographs in there. And as for that Mckenna fella, I bought his book 'Food of the Gods' and there's no mention of hallucinogenic fish (sarpa salpa)! Totally useless the pair of them.

It's a lot harder to actually do the work and make the effort. It's also worth pointing out that after 638 pages I had to stop at some point. So many people are suffering, right now, today, for lack of access to even the most basic of information. Hopefully this project will continue to reach more of them. Perhaps a more positive use of your time would be to lend a hand.

If you believe that you can do a better job, I look forward to seeing it sometime in the future. As I prefer to be productive I'm not going argue further with you.

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Finally, for everyone else reading this, remember that the PDF is free: please do download it and see for yourself. Above all... stay safe. :-)




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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623161 - 01/16/24 09:15 AM (11 days, 10 hours ago)

If I wrote up some of the harm reduction information that your work is missing and sent it to you, would you include it in the work?

I will even give you permission to pass it off as your own, so that you need not give me any credit.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: Nillion] * 2
    #28623553 - 01/16/24 02:02 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

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And I ask again, why is the work missing so much vital life saving information about drug use?

Why did you choose to claim it is about harm reduction and not include most of the information that is relevant to harm reduction?

Feel free to complain to moderators, I expect more than one has a strong dislike for me. I've had that impression for sure.

Still, they tend to be reasonable and I will abide by their advice.



It's free ebook. You don't have to like it, you can criticize it, you did that... but the author has a damn good point when he tells you to go write your own and sell\give it away if you think you can do better. You're not his editor, he doesn't have to live up to your expectations.

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If I wrote up some of the harm reduction information that your work is missing and sent it to you, would you include it in the work?

I will even give you permission to pass it off as your own, so that you need not give me any credit.



Again, you are still not his editor. Maybe if you'd approached him in good faith in PM you guys could have worked together. I don't see that happening now.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623565 - 01/16/24 02:20 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

It's a trip report tome, not a harm reduction tome.

Presenting it as harm reduction seems incredibly egotistical and dishonest to me.

If it was presented as a type of Trip Report Encyclopedia then I wouldn't have an issue.

I'm on the older side and have a lot of friend who are dead, who could have been saved by good information, but this book doesn't have that kind of info and it is offensive to me to claim that it motivated by an effort to save lives.

I'm not alone in this opinion.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: Nillion]
    #28623568 - 01/16/24 02:23 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

You said that. You are repeating your opinion again rather than contributing.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott]
    #28623577 - 01/16/24 02:31 PM (11 days, 5 hours ago)

Fair enough.

To quote the Author:
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Remember that ignorance kills, education saves lives.



That is exactly my point.

I'll disengage from this now.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: Nillion]
    #28623596 - 01/16/24 02:53 PM (11 days, 4 hours ago)

With that, hopefully I can now engage with other members.

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For those interested in the history of this book, the following Substack article might be of use:
https://open.substack.com/pub/dmtrott/p/drugs-the-darknet-and-the-media-my

This describes the development of the original book, with focus upon the last six months: the release of the PDF version and the subsequent launch of an initiative which became known as The Darknet Harm Reduction Project.

The broad idea was to enable harm reduction material (the book) to be offered, without charge, to drug consumers at point of drug purchase.

As is the nature of education, this is still a work in progress. Please do feel free to share wherever you feel it might be helpful.


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott] * 1
    #28623644 - 01/16/24 03:29 PM (11 days, 4 hours ago)

Its part of harm reduction
The book is a huge piece of education.


Edited by loladoreen (01/17/24 06:12 PM)


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: DMTrott] * 1
    #28623646 - 01/16/24 03:30 PM (11 days, 4 hours ago)

I feel you
I do
This IS important


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Re: The Drug Users Bible: Download Free Of Charge [Re: loladoreen] * 1
    #28624935 - 01/17/24 05:23 PM (10 days, 2 hours ago)

I'm 40 and have lived a quiet life with alcohol being the only substance I've experienced, I'm loving the amount of free information I'm finding and how helpful this community is. It definitely helps me make a informed decision on what path id like to Experience, I'm slowly making my way though Forum posts but information setout like this is perfect and easier to digest. Thanks for the time and effort you put into this publication I'm starting it now .


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