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Anonymous #1
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Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery
#28318227 - 05/13/23 11:00 AM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery
Hello Everyone!
I recently started a thread discussing some rather difficult topics regarding this site. The aim was/is to improve The Shroomery and the experience it offers those who use it, specifically by how we engage in dialogue and conduct.
As I've been reading the policies of other websites, such as Twitter's, I've realized that there are new terms that have made their way into modern dialogue that accurately address some of the common forms of community literary or visual abuses.
I'd like to ask those of you who are open to the idea of improving this site to have a look at the hyperlink above, and offer some supportive comments - if in fact you support any or all of the comments. If you do NOT support some or all of the proposals, I'd also like to hear your take on why.
I also have a second question to ask some of you. How would you feel about your personal enjoyment level of using this site if it were to have a policy that also includes the following statement:
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No negging, no mis-quoting, no blatant dissing, no seriously intended aggression, no micro-insults, no defamation, no intentionally escalating an argument for entertainment or demise, no name-calling intended to cause mental and/or emotional harm to a member, no disability discrimination, no slurs, and no backhanded compliments.
Some or all of these phrases may be new or vaguely familiar to members. Rather than hyperlinking a single definition to each of the terms above, I've left them un-linked to encourage diverse inquiries into these terms.
What's your take on these matters as we move closer to 2024?
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #1] 5
#28319341 - 05/14/23 09:54 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Realise this is not social media, it's a message board. That's a good thing. If they introduced social media rules here the site would end. Anyone can go anywhere to social media for a curated experience, message boards are increasingly rare.
Also, there is not an army of paid moderation on Shroomery. The mods are volunteers and they are here because they love the community, not because they love enforcing modern rules to protect everyones feelings. They only seek to help where they can and make things shroomy.
There is already a blanket rule that covers everything mentioned which says "Basically, don't be a dick".
If someone breaks that rule you can report them and it gets dealt with. If you don't feel that's enough you can ignore them. If still you don't feel safe, just knowing they exist, you can always just log out or turn your computer off.
Also realise that most of the people on this site take drugs. They are outliers and will not always behave in a predictable manner. If you try and make them behave like twitter they will just leave. They didn't sign up for that shit, on average they hate twitter, Facebook, and social media in general. There's a lot of people getting banned all the time already for breaking the modest rules that are here. They are not mainstream personalities.
So yeah, I think your idea is terrible. It aims to put all the safety pads and training wheels and warning lights on. Meh, I'm a grownup, I really don't want all that stuff. Most people who use this site over time have learned to navigate it's shortcomings in exchange for the freedom it provides.
Be the change you want to see. Nevermind the noise. Everything is okay.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #1] 2
#28319538 - 05/14/23 01:04 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I'd say from the outside looking in, that you appear to be obsessing over these rule suggestions needlessly. A strict update of rules and guidelines implies that there is strict enforcement of rules and guidelines to begin with here - there is not.
As long as someone is not actively striving to be a drama magnet or be annoying on purpose, I don't personally have a problem reading someone's shit takes and dumb opinions on things. You might read some posts which sit uncomfortably with you here, but I don't really feel the need to be shielded from anything. Compare a conversation here to one on reddit or twitter, and it's a completely different conversational experience which is becoming increasingly rare on the internet thanks to more readily available sources of dopamine.
I would ask if you feel more comfortable posting on Twitter or Facebook, with their carefully researched guidelines and rules, paid enforcement teams, automated appeal processes, etc.? Because I think they're fairly anti-people experiences generally. I think there is a good balance here, and personally wouldn't mind if there were even fewer strict guidelines on some things.
Edited by Anonymous (05/14/23 06:38 PM)
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #3] 3
#28319788 - 05/14/23 06:06 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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Something else that comes to mind. Shroomery does not have ad injected feeds. We do not need to sanitize the human condition for advertising purposes. People are allowed to be the multifaceted thing that people are here, like they are in the real world.
If the primary motivation of this site was to attract advertisers, profile users and sell the users to those advertisers, then your suggestions would be great. We can't have our advertisements next to "bad words" or "bad pictures" as that wouldn't be in corporate interest.
But it's just not like that. It's an adult community, with adult content, for adults. Very little about it is a selling point for most companies except the traffic. If you try and make the traffic a corporate product it will be just that. No more community... a literal end of a golden age as our woken corporate overlords take over and profit.
Some questions for you Anon#1.
If we changed the rules here and enforced them to reflect these other social media products you are idealising, why would people even come here anymore? Certainly not for the interface or ease of use. Why not just go to twitter, Reddit or Facebook? It's easier and quicker, and pretty much exactly the same if you had your way.
Why are you even here rather than on shroom pages on social media? If you turned this place into social media would that still be here? Would the same conversations even happen if we were not free to truly speak our minds?
Seriously. Think about that. Leave the idealism aside and think about what would actually happen if you had your way.
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #3]
#28322959 - 05/17/23 08:52 AM (8 months, 8 days ago) |
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Anonymous #3 said: [...] personally wouldn't mind if there were even fewer strict guidelines on some things.
I'd like to hear more about this.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: geokills]
#28325136 - 05/18/23 04:38 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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Just saying I'm comfortable with the general trend towards less strict enforcement of things as they've been going.
6 or 7 years ago you could definitely get banned a lot more easily just for taking part in some two sided type conversations, but now things are a little less contentious.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #3]
#28326142 - 05/19/23 11:05 AM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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I think the aim/goal here should be to have a constantly developing community that always looks for ways to improve itself. The Shroomery is NOT just a message board. It is a community.
Anonymous #3, what rules WOULD you support to make this site a more harmonious, kind, and loving locality to foster a higher sense of community?
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Anonymous #3
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #1]
#28326184 - 05/19/23 11:34 AM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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Like I mentioned earlier, I think there is good balance here and probably wouldn't change too much. I don't think rules and guidelines are the best way to improve a community necessarily. They can, but you're ideas read more like the declaration of independence or a set of standard operating procedures than they do a few rule changes to increase community involvement.
Encouraging more content from members, hosted online and offline events, increasing forum visibility outside the website, maybe a newer live chat integration into the website, cross forum contests, etc would all be more productive directions to increase engagement and foster a higher sense of community than rule updates.
There are a couple questions that were asked of you about using social media as a template for your rule sets. I see they might be interpreted as rhetorical, but I'm curious what your thoughts were on anon 2's questions and one of mine in that area as far as the differences between community types and the need for updating them to reflect modern social media practices.
Edited by Anonymous (05/19/23 12:12 PM)
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #3]
#28326218 - 05/19/23 12:15 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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This content would be be better suited to WAF, where OP already made a thread of similar nature.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #3]
#28326237 - 05/19/23 12:47 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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I would ask if you feel more comfortable posting on Twitter or Facebook, with their carefully researched guidelines and rules, paid enforcement teams, automated appeal processes, etc.?
I don't partake in Twitter or Facebook. I think those sites are for people who probably share less in common with this community, although they do have some similar/identical communities within them. I personally don't take like Facebook or Twitter. I think they will one day be used for nefarious purposes, too.
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If we changed the rules here and enforced them to reflect these other social media products you are idealising, why would people even come here anymore? Certainly not for the interface or ease of use. Why not just go to twitter, Reddit or Facebook? It's easier and quicker, and pretty much exactly the same if you had your way.
I don't idealize Facebook, Twitter, or Reddit. Quite frankly, they are poorly designed sites that will inevitably be used for more nefarious purposes than for enjoyable socializing. They also seem to be overly dicatorly - if you'll allow the use of the word "dictatorly." To answer your question more directly, people will come and go from all communities over time. If The Shroomery increases its standards, some people will HAVE to leave, because they cannot contain themselves in many respects. Some, on the other hand, will certainly stay, depending on what standards are proposed and enforced. Everyone has to realize that communities are dynamic rather than static. They change. Ownership changes. Management changes. Moderation changes. Policy changes. Members do change for various reasons.
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Why are you even here rather than on shroom pages on social media? If you turned this place into social media would that still be here? Would the same conversations even happen if we were not free to truly speak our minds?
I wanted to teach people how to identify fungi, and I wanted to improve this community. That's why I arrived. I also want to inform people, as an international traveler, what is going on around the world. Including this.
I don't want The Shroomery to ever become like the social media sites that I've addressed above. I just believe The Shroomery has NOT realized or attempted to fulfill its highest potential. As a community of people supposedly associated with mind-manifesting fungi as its primary topic, I do NOT currently see too much of that vibe occurring. Instead, I see a sort of dissociative, overly-dissident population barely communicating in an effective, cordial manner. Regarding your question about having the same conversations - if we had higher standards - my answer probably will NOT be to your present liking. I think the conversations would change. I think we'd be more polite to each other. I think we'd refrain from insulting one another and from dredging. I think we'd try to bring out the best in one another, rather than engaging in the typical debasing dialogue I see here so often. Everyone on this site can almost always find a way to "speak their minds." All that I intend is to keep that alongside good intentions, kindness, politeness, and similar approaches to dialogue. The way we choose our statements matters. The way we provide content to one another matters. Our energy matters. Our consciousness matters - but at the individual level, and at the community level.
As mndfreeze pointed out, I have reached out about this topic specifically to the administrators here. However, I wanted to reach out to others including those who have participated so far in this thread.
I hope that answers the questions aimed at me. I did take them as basically rhetorical at first, so thanks for clarifying that.
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Re: Feeling Safe & Healthy As Possible While Visiting The Shroomery [Re: Anonymous #1]
#28326484 - 05/19/23 12:47 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Further discourse can take place in the WAF thread or in the pub/otd.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28306128/fpart/all
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