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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: layzdapipe] * 1
    #8555518 - 06/23/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I can't tell you how much of a help you guys have been.  Every one of you. 

Since posting this and reading the responses the scary shock-type feelings have pretty much vanished, and if i feel like they are coming on I can kinda focus myself out of it and stop myself from slipping into that loop.

I still am getting the deja-vu stuff, but it's easier to manage now.  I'm pretty surprised that just by reading these replies that it's already easier to deal with. 

Again thanks for all the help...i guess i'll keep posting my progress if anything interesting happens.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Kunta Kente]
    #8555909 - 06/23/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

to me it sounds like Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PSTD). You had a traumatic experience (felt likey you died, or were about to die) and now you are having anxiety attacks where you feel like you are re-living the trauma. That's why it seems like deja-vu.

I recommend doing a little research on PSTD and how to treat it (without medications). Eventually what you'll have to do is trip again and face your fear. Once you have another good trip, you'll feel a lot better, but be careful because it might make it worse if you cause yourself to panic. Definitely wait a long while before you try this though.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8556001 - 06/23/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

your alright man, i been there, the first high dose trip(6g) i had was also my first panic attack. this led to me freaking out and having the worst trip or even the worse moment of my life. the following weeks allot of sounds,smells,sights would trigger anxiety. eventually i got over this and tripped again,i faced my fear, broke-through, seen god and been loving life ever since. just stay active to pass the time and try again in the future.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: raceandsmoke]
    #8556529 - 06/23/08 10:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I think the first trip expanded your mind and brought you out of the box. Like someone said you get anxious when you think about it feeding your own fire making the problem worse.

I don't think you need to do soul searching, you just need to realize that you are living in the present and the possibility of dying is very real, at every second, at any given time. I don't think you are having "constant" Deja Vu, and "Premonitions", rather anxiety which is the familiar feeling.

There is also plenty of anxiety coming up on a trip, maybe that is why you feel like your "tripping" again.


As for Deja Vu


The idea of past and future is directly related to the 4th dimension time. While there is no real thing as "time" there is the "event" that keeps point a and b apart in thee 4th dimension of time. Exactly how length width and depth work in the 3rd dimension. As a human we see into this 4th dimension from beginning to end, when in reality there is no such thing.

It is already proven that our subconscious brain is ahead of our conscious brain as far as time goes.I believe Deja Vu is  just your brain "hiccuping" and you get that, oh so familiar feeling because you have already in fact been there.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Kunta Kente]
    #8556789 - 06/24/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Kunta Kente said:It's that universal crushing, world ending, all these events are synchronized feeling i get when coming off of a hard shroom or acid trip, except i'm not high, i go from feeling totally normal to being scared and my heart racing for absolutely no reason other than deja-vu.




I've gotten it before...don't worry, you're worrying too much.

Just chill out. Keep on eating healthy, getting some exercise, don't trip real often. Maybe cut down on smoking somewhat, too. It sounds like you're just still caught up in a loop with your previous trip...it'll tumble over and then you can continue.

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I recommend doing a little research on PSTD and how to treat it (without medications). Eventually what you'll have to do is trip again and face your fear. Once you have another good trip, you'll feel a lot better, but be careful because it might make it worse if you cause yourself to panic. Definitely wait a long while before you try this though.




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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: layzdapipe]
    #8556882 - 06/24/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i didn't read the respones, but i've had major deja vu that was not negative.

after awhile i learned to change whatever was causing the moment to repeat itself.

if you know someone is about to say a particular sentence, say it first, or just say something different.
if things start to look familar and you don't like it, do something different.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: truekimbo2]
    #8556941 - 06/24/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Well then perhaps you just needed to know that you're not alone in this and this happens to others, that's definitely something that lifted a lot of the weight off my shoulders when i was going through mine, however i still suggest you look for that personal lesson in your experience, when you find it you will see how the whole experience is really positive because it will help you become a better person.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #8557827 - 06/24/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

About 3 years ago I was experimenting a bit with drugs every two weeks. I once took too much mushrooms and a wrong time..I`ve had a bad trip which left my mind f**ked up for a few months.

I got a couple of flashbacks that scared shit out of me. Suddenly from nowhere I`d get this anxiety attacks and it seemed to me that everything is out of normal perspective, I started to sweat and stuff. That was bad. This isn`t like I had it daily but occasionaly from time to time. I once went to bed and closed my eyes. Wanting to sleep, but then out of nowhere I saw a dark road and it was zooming in really fast, I saw little girl (like one from The Ring movie), and then that LOUD high pitch scream this was so f***d up, heart beat was increased to max, sweating. I said wtf, I had a feeling that my closet is really staring at me, and everytime I looked it got a little bit diffirent perspective. I said to myself, that because I don`t respect drugs and their power and use them stupidly without purpuse. I didn`t know what to do, so I accepted this flashbacks. I wasn`t trying to force that feeling out of me anymore. It was better then, flashbacks stopped and I am same as I was before (I think:cool:). I respect mushrooms, because they really have godly power. Use them wisely:mushroom2:


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: blackclw]
    #8558753 - 06/24/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

haha this is alot of stuff to try to cope with...

sofar we have that i need to meditate or seriously concentrate and think about the trips, i need to go with the attacks and just realize that they are a part of the trip i am remembering and it will be ok, and what else?

Like what blackclw said i understand, but saying "accept the flashbacks" or "i wasn't trying to force the feeling out" is pretty specific but at the same time general yah know...its hard to know exactly how to deal with it.  Should i just wait and live life and if i get more feelings or anxiety attacks just remember why?  I have been trying to do that but it's still "off" feeling, especially the radio or music or television.  I normally just change the channel but it's still spooky.

I guess living life normally is all i can do, im just trying for an answer like "sit for awhile and think hard about what you saw and try to relate it to your attacks" or something

edit: sorry if i sound like a broken record, its just weird that i'm getting all this feedback and answers but that there isn't a solution, even though and i know there isn't "one" solution that's just going to fix the problem.  And I'm not depressed or suicidal, just thinking day to day i wonder whats going to happen the next.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Kunta Kente]
    #8559354 - 06/24/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It`s hard to give some specific instructions that would work for you. By this I mean that it can be very diffirent from person to person. How long is this happening to you?


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: layzdapipe]
    #8559818 - 06/24/08 08:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

crazy man, same thing happens to me. well a little diff.the second time i ever tripped on acid i had his strange feeling that came over me like a constant state of deja vu.it felt as if every thing had been scripted out. and everyone could read my thoughts. well i woke the next morning to a weird feeling remembering this. and for months after that the best way to explain it would be to say i felt as if i was Truman from that movie Truman show. since i was like 13 ive had crazy deja vu like at least 3 times a week i felt as if this situation has happend b4.then the icing on the cake i was rolling a couple months ago and my friend was tripping and i had this crazy song suck in my head as i was singing it(IN MY HEAD I STRESS) he sings the same words at the same tame.i freak out and he seys "i was trying to think what you were thinking".so at random times things happen like this and my mind convinces me that im stuck in this "tv" show and noone can tell me. 3 or 4 months ago i told my self this was soo stupid and didnt think about it any more, this worked for a month and now even if not on any drugs i get this feeling. think i might go crazy from it:confused:


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: makohaze]
    #8559929 - 06/24/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

sorry about posting twice in a row but,
my best advise is to just not think about it and tell yourself that it is stupid.also hearing all these people post their experiences will help you, i no just reading all the people that have similar thing happen to them make me feel better/its all in my head.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: makohaze]
    #8560166 - 06/24/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The thing is that the panic attacks and the de javu aren't that meaningful, concentrate on your first trip, that's where the lesson is, think real hard about it, it has a lesson that you haven't learned, something that it was trying to teach you but perhaps you looked away from, that's why the subsequent trips were all taking you back to that first one, it has something important that your subconscious wants you to understand, maybe if you describe that trip to me in detail I could try to help you figure out what the lesson is, but it won't be very meaningful coming from me, it's all about figuring it out for yourself, and when you do you'll know because it will be a huge light bulb moment, that's what you have to do.  Also stop looking at it as a bad trip or something that "really messed you up", don't wish that you haven't had the experience at all, because once you learn that lesson you won't trade it for the world.  Don't really try to force it either, if you can't figure it out yet maybe it's not time for you to do so, it will come back to you in the future when you are ready.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #8560292 - 06/24/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

lol damn makohaze we recently watched the truman show in english before school let out, i gotta tell you today i was thinking of this weird conversation with my dad while spacing out mowing that was something like "cut the bullshit, i know my life is exactly like the truman show".  That's weird that you posted about it.

It's starting to come in waves...like i'll be fine for awhile, then get the feeling, then it goes away.

I have posted trip reports for i think all of my trips that were above 3 grams...there were a few 2 grammers that were just fun and were like smoking alot of weed.
Here's the trip report for the first shroom trip.  The first and second shroom trip and the last (out of 2) acid trip were really the most significant ones. The second shroom definitely went back to explore where the first left off, and the acid trip was a beast of its own. This is the acid trip report.

There are some repeating elements in there but they are pretty unknown in origin besides the fact that getting randomly shot in the face by a crazy guy is a possibility for me.  But i have since dropped any fake friends and worked on friendships and trust with the ones that actually care.  I can't put my finger on any notable thing i need to come to terms with, the obvious stuff outlined in my trip is kind-of a "oh i need to open up and be more understanding" thing, which again i have worked on.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Kunta Kente]
    #8560702 - 06/25/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

powerful substances we meddle with produce some pretty mind altering things....the mushroom seems to always bring a serious tone...I don't know how people have fun on mushrooms...you might see things and things resonate in your head, maybe your life is repetitive and the mushroom is pointing that out??


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Bend the Bong]
    #8562422 - 06/25/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thats crazy man. yea its just like that it comes in waves, ill be sitting somewhere in a random place and boom a lil thought will come in my head and it just gets more and more intense to were i get embarrassed about something even. then ill think about what im thinking about and tell myself it stupid and it wont happen again till another random time.

that suck about the hole getting shot in the face that would def scare me if i was tripping. my friend tripped with me his 1st time and we drank alotta koolaid! well he drank too much and smoked a pack of black n milds in like an hour and puked. after this he was FREAKING OUT he had the worst tripp ive ever seen anyone have! long story short he will never tripp again but i say he should try it again and try and concur his fear but hes really really scared to tripp again.i told him what happened to me and he said something kindda like that happened him.

so im pretty sure we arnt crazy and its the shrooms fucking with our head. its just a lil hard to convince yourself that sometimes.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: makohaze]
    #8564324 - 06/25/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Ok the thing I'm getting from your mushroom trips is that you need to respect these substances more....what's the reason you use them? It's not all fun and games as you obviously found out.
Taking the mushrooms at a party or around strangers or while drinking are all examples of things you shouldn't do.  You have to understand that you need to develop a relationship with these substances, you have to respect and trust them and they will be good to you.

The thing about you going to hell might mean that you feel guilty about taking "drugs" either because you're doing something "illegal" or because you're letting your parents down by doing something they do not approve of.  Either way you can reason through it, the illegal thing is just bullshit since cigarettes and alcohol are legal and they cause like 30 times more deaths than all illegal drugs combined, while psychedelics cause almost none of those.  If it's the parents thing they probably have the mentality that "all drugs are bad" which just comes from propaganda and misinformation by the government, psychedelics are the safest drugs physically and they aren't addictive, and our bodies make DMT naturally when we dream, so everyone trips whether they like it or not.  So if you are feeling guilty about taking "drugs" you need to realize that there's just no reason to be.

Also try to think of what happened during your trips in a metaphoric sense, like the you messing up your face thing might parallel how you couldn't socialize with anyone at the party because they were all in a different state of mind.

The thing from your acid trip might be that you need to respect the beliefs of others more, it seems like you tricking your girlfriend into using a white lighter was what started it all.  When other people genuinely believe something you have to respect it because they have a reason for believing what they do and you don't know what that reason is, it doesn't matter if the belief is silly as long as it's genuine.  I respect genuine beliefs even if I don't agree with them because those beliefs accomplish the same thing for that person that my understanding does for me.  When people are fake about their beliefs though you don't have to respect that at all, and you shouldn't, and sadly most people fall into this category.

One more thing, try to let go of fear, I still have a problem with this as well but I'm working on it.  The thing is fear helped us survive as primates, however in this day and age we don't have that much use for fear anymore, and most of it is irrational, it's pointless to fear death because it will happen eventually and it is out of your control.  Fear would help you run away from a bear or a person with a knife or something, but I mean what rational person wouldn't do that?  Fear isn't really required for that, so try to work on eliminating your fears, meditation can be a good tool for that.

Hopefully some of that helps.


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Kunta Kente]
    #28310405 - 05/07/23 02:59 PM (8 months, 17 days ago)

Hello! I know this post was 15 years ago, but I would love a reply if you could. Your post sounds like the exact same experience I went through, all the way down to "getting shot," "scripted life," "living in hell near the end of the trip," and "record scratching." So I wont describe my trip, I'll just describe what's going on now. I'll go out with my friends and notice that when I'm with them, the environments give me that "deja vu" feeling. I also get that feeling when I post a picture online, and then I'll look back at it and start sweating because "I could've sworn I've posted this before," even though it's my first time posting it. Or, I like to watch YouTube, and the thumbnail for certain videos looks familiar, even though it was posted the day I saw it. It's freaking me out and sometimes it's hard to enjoy everyday life because of it. It's a little better than before (I had this trip in January 2023), because before, I was checking and checking the doors to make sure they were locked, looking outside to make sure "there was nobody stalking and waiting to kill me," and if I did go out, I was always scared to come home.

It's been a couple months and I'm hoping I recover... so my whole point is: how did you get over it if you did? How long did it take, and what did you do? Because I'm staring to have thoughts like, "If I ran my car into a ditch, I would get in trouble, right? I wouldn't have a car anymore, right? If I stabbed a random person in the street, I would go to jail, right?" Of course, I would never do something like that. But sometimes I struggle with believing that my life is real. Thank you so much for answering if you can!


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Re: Deja-vu is killing me, long post but please help [Re: Butterfree]
    #28315436 - 05/11/23 08:47 AM (8 months, 13 days ago)

Timely post as I just came back to this forum after the aforementioned 15 years.

You'll have to just take my words as an experience vs well regarded article as there are many factors to mental health.

I'll say from experience working in a hospital, the blanket summary for my post-trip experience, as well as yours, is simply panic attack. Be it PTSD, anxiety disorder, panic attack / disorder. Feeling of doom, fast heart rate, sweating, deja vu. It's all hallmark panic attack to blanket statment it. Shit sucks at the moment, but in college I learned coping mechanisms. Also, I have found I am naturally a high anxiety state individual. Personally I am introspective and have racing thoughts. Day to day it's fine, but music in the car with highway hypnosis and such can lead to different brainwaves and all, which in college easily triggered panic. I go through stints of listening to music all the time to driving in silence for a few weeks.

Key to recovering, despite the extremely vivid experience in the moment of an attack, is understanding that you took a substance, had a reaction, and now you are remembering it. By that I mean that no, you aren't tripping or anything like that again, but extreme anxiety state is close enough without the hallucinations. It doesn't help in the initial moment I 100% know, especially right when it comes on randomly. I go through bouts about once a year of a few panic attacks, after which I again go a year without any. I occasionally start myself back on SSRIs (again, I work in a hospital, I have plenty of Escitalopram at my disposal), which does help in those periods.

I will say a few things. One, see a psychiatrist to help determine if pre / post you have issues with anxiety. You might not have and maybe this triggered it, or you did and this exacerbated it. But repeated episodes like ours regardless of label are clear panic attacks. These are usually anxious episodes with perhaps nebulous triggers. Or they can be a result of high stress life. Both can likely benefit from SSRI (I like escitalopram, it's more focused towards anxiety moreso than depression), for regular management, as well as having a VERY close mg or 2 of Lorazepam (Ativan), or similar benzo. Literally in college I kept a little metal container on my keys that had two 1mg pills of Ativan at all times. If I had even and inkling of panic attack it gave me extreme comfort knowing I could take it at any time. Often I could hold out a minute or two and not even have to take it as it does make you drowsy.

When I had frequent attacks, it always brought me calm knowing I could rely on the benzo for relief in 15-30 minutes sublingual. Granted the attack never lasted that long in the first place, but the act of having a rescue and taking it was very helpful. With that in your arsenal, noticing triggers, that they were triggers, and catching those thought-pitfalls was helpful.

I'll tell you, before shrooms I smoked weed constantly. I tried again in the 1-2 years afterwards, albeit lightly, and always had massive anxiety and mild hallucinations that I had never had before. I don't smoke anymore. It immediately triggers panic.

Soon I plan to try low dose shrooms, then medium dose, and then settle to microdose in the coming months, for general mental health, but always with at least 2mg benzo at my side as a rescue abort.

I'll post more if you'd like. I certainly went through some intense shit back in the day, and I don't just mean tripping and stuff; I've had quite a bit actual real shit happen in the years since. But so goes it with ego-liquefying amounts in an unknowingly anxious mind.


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