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TMS treatment soon looking for any info
    #27819461 - 06/14/22 02:48 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Long story short I have many psychiatric disorders and was on methylphenidate from 8-10 then I was put on adderall and through the years various benzos, antidepressants (ssri and snri maoi etc) mood stabilizers, antipsychotics the whole nine yards.

I've been seriously addicted to alcohol, opioids, amphetamines and benzos before. I spent/traded tens of thousands of dollars/substances in 3ish years for my own use (including many RCs). I'm clean from everything but my prescription benzo, adderall and alcohol.

Today my psychiatrist suggested TMS (Transcranial magnetic stimulation) since it can help with most of my symptoms.

I'm starving for information because I am genuinely excited for positive results but also seriously concerned about my brain being messed with. (Ironic I know)

Does anyone have experience with or knowledge of TMS. Maybe some stories? Good? Bad? Indifferent?

Will it effect the effects of the substances I take? (Just mush and LSD)

I'm excited to try it but also anxious.

Any info or thoughts are welcome. Please and thank you.

I should point out that I understand on a minor level how it works operates and works on the brain but I'd love to know more. Im really looking for experiences or thoughts/opinions on the matter.

:peace: :heart:

P.s. sorry if this post is in the wrong place


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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: Invisible_Woe] * 1
    #27820250 - 06/15/22 02:50 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Transcranial massage is what I've heard of before, heard absolutely wonderfull things about it. I can only imagine transcranial magnetic stimulation being similar, because stimulation of the transcranial fluids , IIRC, is the thing helping people in the transcranial massage therapy as well. It's been about 10 years since I heard the word transcranial so I'm sure there's more to find than what I can tell you, but I think and feel that you are safe and helped by allowing the TMS into your life.

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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: Invisible_Woe] * 1
    #27820851 - 06/15/22 02:09 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

When TMS first came to popularity, I was seriously considering it. My history is similar to yours, and I'm convinced that I'm impervious to SSRI/SSNRI/MAOI, etc... Antipsychotics are the worst, stripped me of a soul.

The fad seemed to fizzle out, although I've heard many success stories- who knows if that is media manipulated, however.

About a month ago I asked my current shrink(hes not good at all but my only option) if TMS might be for me. His response was, 'not sure it will help, but won't hurt.' Kinda turned me off from it. If you have the money/motivation, I hear ketamine infusions works wonders.

Please share if you get it done, and best wishes in your journey:heart:


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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: birdeatingspider] * 1
    #27821305 - 06/15/22 07:59 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

I don't have any experience with it, nor do I directly know of anyone that has any experience with it.

From what I have read, it seems quite promising. Like a better ECT (electroshock), almost.

Electroshock therapy actually works very well, it was kind of demonized by Hollywood (especially One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest), because it kind of sounds like torture, being electrocuted. But the amount of electricity is quite small, and it seems to be an effective, albeit temporary, treatment for resistant depression.


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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #27821830 - 06/16/22 01:46 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

You should read into Hemmingway's real-life experiences with elektroshock.


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ERNEST HEMINGWAY underwent 20 gruelling rounds of electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) to cure him of his depression. Having lost many of his memories as a result, he said, “It was a brilliant cure but we lost the patient,” and took a shotgun to his head not long afterwards.





So, basically "Brilliant author cured from depression commits suicide". Not so much a cure after all, I'd dare say.


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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: LizardWizard] * 1
    #27821938 - 06/16/22 05:12 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

TMS is way safer than electroshock therapy, and I'd be tempted to give it a try if I was desperate enough to try dicking around with any new psych meds. I've talked with a psychiatrist that treated people with it and had lots of good things to say about how it helped people with intractable depression. I've talked with people who tried ketamine treatments as well, and ketamine was way more effective than typical antidepressants for them. You could see the ability to smile start to return to some of their faces after the first dose, and the improvement was noticeable after each dose.

It sounds like you've got more going on than depression though, so I'm not sure what to tell you. There's probably not a lot of research on using TMS for people with medical backgrounds as complex as yours, but you might get lucky and find some. If the depression is the main trouble, then maybe try ketamine first if that's an option. TMS might work out well though, and I haven't heard any horror stories. I doubt it would cause any permanent damage, and if you can talk to the psychiatrist that uses it, them they'd be the one to ask.

I have no idea how TMS will interact with mushrooms or LSD, but I doubt there's any serious interactions since it's not pharmacological. Can't confirm that though.


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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
    #27822299 - 06/16/22 10:43 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Thanks everyone. Unfortunately I doubt my Dr would try ketamine since addiction is apart of what we are addressing. That's just how he thinks. I'll ask tho.

TMS will start in a month. I'll keep you updated.

Thanks again.


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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: Invisible_Woe] * 1
    #27822330 - 06/16/22 11:04 AM (1 year, 7 months ago)

My partner has had two different courses of TMS. One worked wonderfully for her treatment resistant depression and the other course only worked modestly. It is important to understand that TMS is delivered in very different ways, and to some extent may define the outcome.

TMS should not be compared the ECT as they are fundamentally different in their mechanism of action, relative degree of benefit, and very importantly their side effect profile.

TMS protocols have been optimized greatly over the last ten years, so it is important to make sure that any reading you are doing is up to date. Also, TMS is not a 'fad'. I have experience in the space, and it is being more broadly adopted as a front line treatment and or a substitute for ECT.

Congratulations on getting your addictions under control and sincere best wishes for a successful outcome. I have seen the benefits of TMS first hand and hope that this provides you with some optimism that it can do the same for you.


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Re: TMS treatment soon looking for any info [Re: Invisible_Woe]
    #28314385 - 05/10/23 02:05 PM (8 months, 15 days ago)

I’ve had ECT and TMS at different intervals of course. They did nothing for me.

Possible explanation: TMS and ECT can work (preferably start with TMS), if you’re primarily depressed. There might be some data on anxiety but it’s depression. Anxiety that’s caused by depression, my doc told me it might work.

Possible reasons why it didn’t work for me:

1. Had independent Anxiety and depression
2. The anxiety actually pulled depression instead of the other way around
3. When mixing other meds, like: Antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, and , maybe the worst, benzodiazepines (e.g. Klonopin, Ativan, Xanax, etc..).
4. The tolerance that benzos can activate, is horrible and almost no treatment is available. At that time, a careful taper -maybe following Ashton- is needed. Tapering is hell and confuses the psychological brain due to damn when you’re on (in tolerance stage), and damn when tapering.

Please post this and if I spend too much time on benzodiazepines talk, it’s not really off topic. Also, I’m not a guru and my experience of taper difficulty might not match others experiences. Receptors are unique to an individual and it’s subjective more than objective!

This is related to the TMS/ECT question because I think my input is valuable because “why the heck am I different in remission”. Possibly, the above issues. I’d love to hear others views and experiences!

Thanks and I assume you’ll post this.


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