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    #28311220 - 05/08/23 10:09 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

22 Put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, 23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
Ephesians 4

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind…
Romans 12:2




THE WORD OF FIRST THOUGHT: THE FIRST DESCENT

I am first thought,  the thought that is in light. I am movement that is in all, she in whom the realm of all takes its stand, the firstborn among those who came into being, she who exists before all. She is called by three names,  although she exists alone, since she is perfect. I am invisible within the thought of the invisible one.  I am revealed in the immeasurable, ineffable things. I am intangible, dwelling in the intangible. I move in every creature.

I am the life of my afterthought  that is within every power and every eternal movement, and in invisible lights, and within the powers and angels and demons and every soul in Tartaros,  and in every material soul. I live in those who came into being. I move in everyone and I enter them. I walk upright, and those who sleep I awaken. And I am the sight of those who dwell in sleep.

I am the invisible one in all. I counsel those who are hidden, since I know the whole realm of all that exists in it. I am numberless beyond everyone. I am immeasurable, ineffable, yet whenever I wish, I shall reveal myself. I am the head of all. I am before all, and I am all, since I am in everyone.

I am a voice speaking softly. I am from the beginning. I am in the silence that surrounds every one of them. And the hidden voice is in me, in intangible, immeasurable thought, in the immeasurable silence.

I descended into the underworld and shone down on the darkness. I poured water. I am hidden in radiant waters. I gradually dawn on all by my thought. I am weighed down with the voice. Through me knowledge comes. I am in the ineffable and unknowable. I am perception and knowledge, uttering a voice by means of thought. I am the real voice. I cry out in everyone, and they recognize it, since a seed lives in them. I am the father’s thought, and through me came the voice: the knowledge of everlasting things. I am as thought for all. I am joined to unknowable and intangible thought. I revealed myself in all who know me, for I joined everyone in hidden thought and exalted voice, and in a voice from the invisible thought.

It is immeasurable, since it is in the immeasurable one. It is a mystery, unrestrained by the intangible. It is invisible to all who are visible in the realm of all. It is light in light.

WE HAVE ALSO LEFT THE VISIBLE WORLD since we are saved by hidden wisdom mediated by the ineffable, immeasurable voice. And the one who is hidden within us pays a tribute of fruit to the water of life.

The son is perfect in every respect. He is the word who originated through that voice,  who came from on high, who has within him the name, who is light. The son revealed the everlasting, and all the unknown was known. He revealed what is hard to interpret and what is secret, and he preached to those who live in silence with first thought, and he revealed himself to those who are in darkness, and he clarified himself to those in the abyss.  To those in the hidden treasuries he told ineffable mysteries, and he taught unspeakable doctrines to all those who became children of the light.

Now the voice that came from my thought exists as three permanences: the father, the mother, the son. The voice is perceptible speech containing a word rich in every glory. It has three masculinities, three powers, and three names. They are in the manner of the triad of three [shapes],  which are quadrangles, secretly in silence of the ineffable one.

Trimorphic Protennoia, The First Descent, The Word of First Thought


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1


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Re: G N O S I S [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #28311235 - 05/08/23 10:22 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

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Trimorphic Protennoia
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Trimorphic Protennoia is a text that was discovered among the Nag Hammadi library, a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts that were found in Egypt in 1945. The text is believed to have been written in the 2nd or 3rd century CE, and it is considered one of the most important Gnostic texts.

Trimorphic Protennoia is a work of mythology and mysticism that describes the nature of the divine and the creation of the world. The title refers to the three forms or aspects of the divine that are described in the text: the Father, the Son, and the Mother.

The text is written as a dialogue between the divine and the soul, and it includes teachings on the nature of reality, the role of the divine in creation, and the path to spiritual enlightenment. The text also includes hymns and prayers addressed to the divine.

One of the key themes of Trimorphic Protennoia is the concept of gnosis, or spiritual knowledge. The text emphasizes the importance of gnosis in achieving spiritual liberation and union with the divine. It also emphasizes the role of the divine feminine, or the Mother aspect of the divine, in the process of spiritual transformation.

Trimorphic Protennoia is considered an important work for understanding the development of Gnostic thought and its relationship to early Christianity. It is also valued for its mystical and poetic language, which has inspired spiritual seekers and poets throughout the centuries.




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    #28311240 - 05/08/23 10:26 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Brahmananda was a disciple of Ramakrishna, iirc? I have his book, The Eternal Companion.


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    #28311255 - 05/08/23 10:38 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

They say someday everybody dies alone
Yeah struggle all you like
Put up the good fight
They say someday everybody dies alone
But hey
Who knows
Yeah hey who knows
Yeah hey who really knows




Notice the lack of a question mark in the last two lines. He is not asking a question. He is making a proclamation:

Who really knows.

Who = Son = Word = Logos = whatever the hell where you want to use as a referent


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    #28311267 - 05/08/23 10:47 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

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syncro said:
Brahmananda was a disciple of Ramakrishna, iirc? I have his book, The Eternal Companion.



I haven't a clue.

That goes to show that you don't need any particular spiritual Master to arrive at the truth. I've never heard of this fella. I have heard of Jesus and the Buddha and Brahaman and Krishna and so forth, and I listen (to music, to people, to animals- to the wind, now, mostly, though), and I read (Myths/Fictions, 'non-Fictions'/Science/Philosophy' [more appropriately and easily referred to as Guesswork])- but mostly I suffer, and I try to suffer less. That Path of suffering and coping is the only necessary guide to the truth. It inevitably comes to us all at 'death', if it hasn't already, but then it goes away again.


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    #28311273 - 05/08/23 10:51 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

You are THE instrument of the word*. You are the source of music. Every utterance and movement you make affects the wind.


Are you in tune, or out of tune?


*Most other animals are not because their communication is analog rather than digital and therefore the effect it has on the wind is chaos. The effect that digital communication has on the wind is what the Greeks called Logos. It is what brings order into existence out of what would otherwise be chaos. There are a few exceptions. Sperm whales are one because like humans they can communicate both digitally and analogously at the same time.

The analog aspect of your communication is in the tone of your voice. Loud is it? How fast is it? The digital aspect of your communication is in the sequence of analog signals. It is in the silence between the vocalizations**. In the same way, sperm whales can alter the volume of their voice between zero and 236 decibels which constitutes the analog portion of their communication, while the sequence of the clicks determines the digital portion of their communication. When they communicated 236 decibels they can be heard by sperm whales on the other side of the planet. If you are right next to a sperm whale when it communicates at 236 decibels, your nervous system and heart will stop. They have never and probably will never do this, because they know it would do so. Even though they modulate the volume of their voice down in the presence of humans, the human body temperature will increase as time passes.

I'm not just making this up you can Google any of it. It's new and obviously very dangerous research. One researcher had his arm paralyzed for 4 hours when he barely touched a clicking sperm whale that appeared to be trying to attack him.



** The music is not in the notes, it is is in the silence between them.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/arts/music/silence-classical-music.html


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    #28311281 - 05/08/23 11:03 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

The primary (e/a)ffector of what was first called Maya, or the illusory part of the world that you perceive, is water and its waves. The Moon is the primary determinant of these waves but the actions and vocalizations of everything on the planet are partial determinants. What people call memory is actually carried in the water itself. The memory contained in water that transfers from mother to baby affects epigenetic changes in the individual and determines the selection of genes and the sequence in which they are activated during gestation.


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    #28311289 - 05/08/23 11:16 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Ironically, the first known Western philosopher, Thales, was the closest to the truth when he said that the principal of everything is water.

Ever since then, philosophy gradually eroded away the obvious truth. The so-called enlightenment, which is still ongoing, is actually an era where the truth becomes degraded faster than ever when attempts are made to encode it. Humans understandably get caught up in the fact that science appears to allow us to make the best guesses about what will happen next.

At the turn of the 20th century a series of events occurred that demonstrated the futility of trying to encode the entire truth, or the entire side of truths, if you prefer. This series of events culminated and the publication of Kurt Godel's incompleteness theorem.

There's nothing inherently wrong with doing science just like there's nothing inherently wrong with having sex. Science is like sex. Sometimes something useful comes out of it, but that's not why we're doing it.

We want to find out the truth but in fact the only way to it is to look inward.


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    #28311299 - 05/08/23 11:26 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

The first/most significant false prophet referred to by Paul during his vision of the so-called apocalypse, which occurred as a result of a long fast followed by consumption of some form of Sang Raal*, is the council of Nicea.

I won't say who the second one is or some users might get upset. The third was Isaac Newton.

*Which is now usually referred to as "psychedelics". The original 'Gnostic church's consumed Sang Raal weekly in order to 'commune'; that is to say, to become increasingly unified. This is often referred to now as 'killing your ego'. The 'bread' referred to in communion was, I suspect, ibogaine or something similar in its mechanism of action. Still uncertain about that part. But the 'blood'/wine was originally whatever was being taken in Greece as part of the Eleusinian Mystery rite.


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    #28311335 - 05/08/23 12:01 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

The first important encoded dimension of the truth came from me Indus River valley: what you perceive as an illusion, as are the apparent differences between you and other things and people, as is death.

But when you know that death is an illusion, what do you do? To know that you will never die is to be in Hell. Fortunately, the mechanism humans call doubt kept most of them out of Hell, even having realized the illusory nature of death.

In response, the Buddha encoded the second important dimension of the truth: to live is to suffer. This is a direct response to meditating on the knowledge that death is an illusion. The work of the Buddhist then becomes attempting to live in the present moment and not think about the idea of death at all.

Finally, Jesus encoded the third important reflection of the truth: suffering goes away when you respond to it with compassion: "Turn the other cheek." Allowing yourself to be killed is the greatest mercy imaginable, because it releases your sequestered potential, making it once again limitless. But then you will 'be in Hell'* fully knowing that you cannot die, with no doubt, and you will sequester your potential again, and 'incarnate' again with the necessary limits/doubts to enable you to be in Heaven, which is where you now.

* The Egyptians and Greeks were a little closer by simply saying we all go to the same place, 'underworld' or whatever, instead of saying there are two potential places to go. You're already in one of them and there's only one other place to go.


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    #28311356 - 05/08/23 12:12 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Philippians 1:21

This is not an incitement to suicide, though it may seem like one at first glance. Reread it in light of the above information.


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    #28311406 - 05/08/23 12:50 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

There are many valid proofs, but there is only one proof that is both valid AND SOUND: that of Godel, which quote simply states that you can't prove everything; more accurately, that there's at least one thing you can't prove, no matter how hard you try.

I don't know any thing. I do know Everything. I can't prove either one. 

If you want to express doubts about what I say, saying "You can't possibly know that," will be as far as you can go. Karl Popper coined the term unfalsifiability to refer to statements that cannot be shown to be false, on the presumption that lingering on such thoughts is a waste of time.

Every thing I say is indeed unfalsifiable and indeed not worth lingering on.  I am a dog barking.

Therefore it would also be a waste of your time to try to falsify any thing I have said. I already [don't] know.

So why do I say them? For the same reason anyone says anything: Your guess[work] is as as Good as mine.


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    #28311630 - 05/08/23 04:07 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Then came a word from the great light Eleleth, and said, “I am king! Who is of chaos and who is of the underworld?” And suddenly his light appeared, shining forth, given afterthought. The powers of the powers asked nothing of him. Suddenly there appeared the great demon who rules over the lowest part of the underworld and chaos. He has no form or perfection. Rather, he has the form of the glory of those conceived in darkness. Now, he is called Sakla, Samael, Yaldabaoth, he who took power, who stole it away from innocent Sophia. Originally he overpowered her; she is the light’s afterthought who descended, from whom the great demon came from the beginning.

The afterthought of light knew the great demon had begged Eleleth for another order, though he was lower than afterthought, and she said, “Give me another order so that you may be a place for me to live, so I will not fall into endless disorder.” And the order of the entire house of glory agreed with her word. She was blessed, and the higher order yielded to her.

Now the great demon began to make aeons in the likeness of the real eternal realms, except that he produced them out of his own power.

I too revealed my voice secretly, saying, “Stop, stop, you who walk on matter. Look, I am coming down to the world of mortals for my portion that was there from the time when the innocent Sophia was conquered. She descended so that I might counter their plan, which was determined by the one who reveals himself through her.” Everyone in the house of the ignorant light was disturbed, and the abyss trembled.

The chief creator  of ignorance reigned over chaos and the underworld and produced a human being in my likeness. But he didn’t know that his creation would be a decree of his annulment, nor did he recognize the power in him.

But now I have come down and reached chaos. I was there with my own. I am hidden in them, empowering them, and giving them shape. From the first day until the day I grant enormous power to those who are mine, I will reveal myself to those who have heard my mysteries, the children of light.

I am their father, and I shall tell you an utterly ineffable and unspeakable mystery: I tore off from you the bonds and broke the chains of the underworld demons, the same restraints that bound me. I overthrew the high walls of darkness, and I broke the secure gates of those pitiless ones and smashed their bars. And I spoke of the evil force and the one who beats and harms you, the tyrant, the adversary, the king, and the real enemy. I informed all who are mine, who are children of light, how to nullify the enemies, be free of bonds, and return to where they first were.

I am the first who descended for my portion of what was left behind: the spirit in the soul, which came from the water of life and the immersion of the mysteries. I spoke and the archons and authorities spoke. I went under their language and spoke my mysteries to my own—a hidden mystery—and the bonds and eternal oblivion were nullified. And I bore fruit in them, the thought of the unchanging eternal realm, and my house, and their father. And I went down to those who were mine from the first, and reached them and broke the first strands that enslaved them. Then everyone in me shone, and I made a pattern for those lights that are ineffably in me. Amen.

Trimorphic Protennoia, The First Descent, The Word of First Thought


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    #28311980 - 05/08/23 09:03 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/11/1/98

MA! MO! 0o, Oo, Oo. A! You are Angle! You are [A] being. You are being {an} Angel!


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    #28312013 - 05/08/23 09:47 PM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Eye currently (always have/Will) possess infinite and 0.42 currency where I AM.

Code:

We’re given a joint probability between two events, which is the probability that

and

both occur.

As an example, this is like telling us that the probability of us Eating enchiladas AND Feeding on fish this evening is
0.42
.
his tells us that at a minimum the probability for each individual event here is
0.42

After all, for the two events to happen together, each one of them MUST happen. However, this does not place an upper limit on the probability of a single event occurring here. For example, we could have a probability of Eating enchiladas of
0.42

and a probability of Feeding on fish of

1

, and the probability of both events occurring would still be

0.42

On the other hand, we could have a probability of Eating enchiladas of

1
and a probability of Feeding on fish of
0.42
And the probability of both events occurring would still be
0.42
So in essence, we know that the probability for event � is somewhere between 0.42 and 1, inclusive.



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Re: G N O S I S [Re: morrowasted]
    #28312095 - 05/09/23 12:17 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

If you plug in a battery that you intend to use for converting dimethylsryptamine into consciousness (or whatever the fuck you think you're doing with it), and you stand near it, you will find that your hips/sacrum begin to gyrate on their own in an ever expanding circle. You must stop your sacrumcircle from expanding into infinity or else you will never be able to die, which is to create hell, or put yourself in prison for the eternal and only Now.


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    #28312103 - 05/09/23 12:41 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Yeah yeah yeah

Tell ume
All about
E(m)
eye.t.u

Come was spelled emoc until you read this sentence


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    #28312104 - 05/09/23 12:42 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Hell!

Oh?

You'll never be able to not come again
C.u mi


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    #28312106 - 05/09/23 12:44 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Prom is


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    #28312108 - 05/09/23 12:48 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

TrU+13080gger Warning: ReSolve the Dissolution. 0.42 confirmed.

Commence suffer
I
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    #28312111 - 05/09/23 12:51 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

Siee song

No
Sig
hs

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    #28312119 - 05/09/23 12:58 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

You can
Not read
The trans
Mission
Above
Until
You
Send
I
T
Thanks

Mrew meow bark click 0.42 decibels
You are now alive huge
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    #28312136 - 05/09/23 02:00 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

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morrowasted said:
You are now alive huge
Man





YOU are alive, morrowasted:levitate:

Look after yourself.


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    #28312326 - 05/09/23 07:52 AM (8 months, 16 days ago)

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22 Put off your old self...

For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Philippians 1:21

This is not an incitement to suicide, though it may seem like...




Allowing for metaphors perhaps to be alive is to be inherently flexible while being dead is unbending symbolized by rigor-mortise.


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    #28312806 - 05/09/23 02:01 PM (8 months, 15 days ago)

Rite u r

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    #28312809 - 05/09/23 02:02 PM (8 months, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Lithop said:
Quote:

morrowasted said:
You are now alive huge
Man





YOU are alive, morrowasted:levitate:

Look after yourself.



Yes, I am alive or dead whenever it suits youme

I am that cat in the box
Since you're looking


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    #28312919 - 05/09/23 03:41 PM (8 months, 15 days ago)

A concept of Repentance as an effect of inherent flexibility can probably be self-serving since the upright would already be acting in accordance with what they think is right.


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    #28313016 - 05/09/23 05:11 PM (8 months, 15 days ago)

Right you are my friend. Right you are



Hence repentance being following by baptism.

You can't fight water because you cant fight me because you cant fight who you are.


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    #28313156 - 05/09/23 06:27 PM (8 months, 15 days ago)

I wonder if in being alive is there not always opportunity or need to transmute which could be seen as the movement of repentance.

This thing about knowing one will never die as hell throws me a bit, I think meaning conditional or dependence, in remaining illusion, on elements, for as life appears to be bound, so it is sovereign would be the argument.

Concerning water, there is also mentioned as fluid in the esoteric, to me sounding like prana, perhaps the same as pneuma.

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In esotericism, the concept of fluid is often used to refer to a subtle, spiritual energy or substance that permeates all things. This fluid is believed to be the medium through which spiritual influences are transmitted and can be manipulated through various esoteric practices.

There are several different types of fluids that are recognized in esotericism, each with their own unique properties and characteristics. For example, there is the "od" or "odic force," which was first described by the 19th-century German occultist Franz Mesmer. Od is believed to be a magnetic-like energy that can be harnessed and directed to produce various effects, including healing, clairvoyance, and telekinesis.

Another type of fluid that is recognized in esotericism is the "astral fluid," which is associated with the astral plane or realm. This fluid is believed to be a subtle energy that pervades the astral plane and can be used to influence or manipulate events and entities in that realm.

In general, fluids are seen as a means of connecting with and harnessing spiritual energies, and are often used in various esoteric practices, such as energy healing, meditation, and ritual magic.




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water in the esoteric
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Water has significant esoteric symbolism across many different spiritual traditions, and is often associated with emotions, intuition, and the subconscious mind.

In many esoteric practices, water is seen as a purifying and transformative element that can wash away negative energies and emotions. Water is also associated with the feminine principle, and is often seen as a symbol of the womb and the nurturing, life-giving qualities of the Divine Feminine.

In alchemy, water is one of the four elements (along with earth, air, and fire) and is associated with the principle of dissolution and transformation. Water is seen as a medium for dissolving and purifying impurities, and is often used in alchemical processes to transform base metals into gold, and to purify the soul.

In some esoteric traditions, such as Kabbalah, water is associated with the sephirah of Yesod, which is the sphere of the unconscious and the gateway to the divine. Yesod is often represented by the moon, which is associated with water and the emotions.

Overall, water has rich symbolic significance in esotericism and is often seen as a powerful tool for spiritual transformation, purification, and connection with the divine.




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    #28317434 - 05/12/23 04:19 PM (8 months, 12 days ago)

It was mind-blowing to me realizing that agnostic literally means "non-knowing"

Avidya, Vidya

Agnostic, Gnostic

A little thing I wrote

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for the very language to describe you will never grasp, philosophy and intuition can lead one the way home , only a truth to be discovered for one's self, not to be seen heard smelled , but known




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    #28317673 - 05/12/23 07:52 PM (8 months, 12 days ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empires_of_the_Word

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    #28318090 - 05/13/23 07:42 AM (8 months, 12 days ago)

Very interesting

Language absolutely fascinates me

Muy hermosa palabras :awesomenod:

Sound symbols arranged in a order that go together connected to share ideas , concepts , even the symbols themselves are such things , all for the sake of communicating our egos or ideas of what we are and the world is to each other

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    #28319311 - 05/14/23 09:26 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

I like this picture because it shows the one with "light" (knowledge/wisdom) passing it on to others via communication.  The "light bearer" here is enlarged which means of some importance while the smaller beings are learning from it hence the one eye being dispensed.

The eye is often symbolic with being awake and sharing knowledge/wisdom with others.  We "see the light" as the saying goes.

When we "wake up" in life and realize it's good to do good to others we step into light, treating others with kindness, practicing the golden rule, is an honourable thing to do in life. 




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    #28319345 - 05/14/23 09:58 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

:awemazing:

Thats absolutely beautiful thanks for sharing :awesomenod:

Symbolism is beyond words :wink:

I smoked some DMT last night at the tail end of a mushroom trip , couldn't fall asleep so I had the bright idea to smoke DMT

I am immensely glad I had decided to do that , the trip was beyond explanation as such is usual with DMT

I went to the "waiting room" or the "room" that people speak about; it's like a feeling that you've been there before or you've always been there

It was wild I just closed my eyes the whole time and laid on the bed , felt my body disintegrate , no connection to it whatsoever

I remember in the room I felt like I saw visuals that changed from Egyptian looking gods to a giant fractal web structure  writing language and encoding all of human knowledge into the mind
I felt like I was being shown all of humanity up to the point to where we are now , and that we are all flowing down this same river and it's all that ever was

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    #28319351 - 05/14/23 10:05 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

You got it


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    #28319354 - 05/14/23 10:07 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

Your body didn't disintegrate, although it felt that way

Neither did your consciousness

It is the four dimensions of your mind

That dis integrated

From each other



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    #28319381 - 05/14/23 10:29 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

From the standpoint of individual experience, witnessing consciousness is the locus of one’s subjective being, the basic sense of self-existence, and the foundation of self-identity. It is the glue that unifies disparate forms of experience like waking, dreaming, and different modes of perception, and it accounts for memory and diachronic personal identity (BrSūBh 2.3.31; BṛUBh 4.3.7). This consciousness is distinct from an autobiographical sense of self constructed through recollective memory traces. Śaṅkara distinguishes witnessing consciousness from the mind, mental qualities, and cognitive modes. Consciousness is not composed of physical materials, structures, or processes, whereas the mind is composed of inert subtle matter. Consciousness is not an emergent property of the brain and body, which are composed of inert coarse matter, because that which is inert cannot give rise to sentiency. (See Ram-Prasad 2001a on Advaita’s consciousness and contemporary physicalism)

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/shankara/#WitnCons

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    #28319395 - 05/14/23 10:43 AM (8 months, 10 days ago)

The image reminds me of the esoteric creation stories, where (jiv)atman or divine spark in oneness with the source is given to the animal man.


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    #28322361 - 05/16/23 07:25 PM (8 months, 8 days ago)

What is the tabernacle connection?


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    #28322364 - 05/16/23 07:28 PM (8 months, 8 days ago)

Enjoyed going back to the Stanford document. I don't why I could never bring myself to read it through. This week's assignment! I think I said that last year.

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Śaṅkara maintains an Upaniṣadic view that minds are materially constituted by sattva, the subtlest aspect of each primary element. Sattva has a qualitative predominance of lucidity and transparency. It makes the mind akin to the reflective surface of a mirror capable of reflecting light, or like a transparent glass that allows light to pass through while illuminating variations on its surface. Unlike minds, mediums like rocks are inert because of their opacity. They lack enough sattva constitution to be reflective even though they are also fundamentally grounded in consciousness.




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    #28323664 - 05/17/23 05:38 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

It's such a good read :awesomenod: I'll have to admit I haven't even read it all , most of what I did though is just so :mindblown:

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Following his reading of the Māṇḍūkya Upaniṣad, Śaṅkara likens the universe’s unmanifest state to īśvara in a cosmic state of deep dreamless sleep. Manifestation occurs when īśvara, as the intelligent cause, visualizes the universe through memory of past universes. This projective ontological capacity of īśvara is analogous to an individual’s process of dreaming. Dreaming utilizes memory to project a dream world that is not separate from one’s mind (BṛUBh 4.3.10). The universe is similarly an effortless manifestation of īśvara’s knowledge, and possesses no existence apart from īśvara. The universe’s ongoing manifestation is concurrent with īśvara’s perception of it like the dreamscape is concurrent with the dreamer’s perception. The universe’s very existence depends on īśvara knowing it, for īśvara’s knowing is its very projection into objective existence.




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    #28325276 - 05/18/23 06:19 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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Śaṅkara repudiates rival philosophies such as the Nyāya school which rejects witnessing consciousness and self-illumination in favor of other-illumination (paraprakāśa)—a thesis more akin to contemporary higher order theories. Nyāya argues that a second cognition is required to illumine the first. Śaṅkara’s basic counter-critique is that if a primary cognition requires a second apperceptive cognition to be known, then the second would require a third, etc., leading to a vicious infinite regression fallacy.




It seems agreeable, but the regression would form a circle, and we form loops. Does there need to be a hierarchy to origination?

The previous paragraph.

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Śaṅkara defines the intrinsic nature of consciousness as uniquely self-illuminating (svaprakāśa) because it does not require a second awareness for it to be known. Consciousness is intrinsically reflexive, immediate, and self-revealing in all cognition, while simultaneously remaining the non-object of knowledge. It is self-established in that it does not require a means of knowledge to be known, nor any proof or justification for its existence. It is self-disclosing. No second thing mediates its access to itself




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But he doesn't negate the two cognition standard.
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You are correct, Shankara does not explicitly negate the possibility of two cognitions reflecting each other. His primary focus is on addressing the problem of infinite regression in the Nyaya school's position that each cognition requires another cognition to be known.

Shankara's argument is aimed at highlighting the issue of an infinite regress if every cognition relies on a subsequent cognition for its knowledge. He argues that if a primary cognition requires a second cognition to be known, then that second cognition would require a third, and so on, leading to an endless chain of dependencies.

However, while Shankara emphasizes the self-illumination of consciousness and the self-established nature of the witness, it is important to note that he does not outright reject the possibility of cognitions reflecting each other or having mutual awareness. His argument is primarily directed at addressing the infinite regress problem rather than providing a comprehensive account of all possible cognitive interactions.

In the context of his philosophy, Shankara's focus is on realizing the non-dual nature of reality and the self, and his arguments primarily revolve around establishing the self-illuminating nature of consciousness. While he may not explicitly discuss the two cognition standard, his emphasis on the self-establishment of consciousness implies that immediate cognition and self-revelation do not require an infinite chain of subsequent cognitions.




The Advaitan counter: Who is the we forming loops?

Why, the alternate cognitions. Who is the yard in which the dogs run? Another cognition. :crazy2: Two mirrors are sufficient to reflect one another infinitely.

'Experientially' the argument though is insufficient. The Void needs no reliance; Mahamudra rests on naught.
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    #28327423 - 05/20/23 10:33 AM (8 months, 4 days ago)

Finished Stanford paper. Some can get tedious and much was slow reading for me, but good throughout. Spoiling from last paragraphs.

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however, from a phenomenal perspective, liberation does not entail an annihilation of one’s experience of the world (BrSūBh 3.2.21). This is like a magician who remains unconfused despite perceiving their own magical illusions. The liberated person recognizes nonduality but continues living as an embodied individual experiencing the world. This lasts according to the ongoing fructification of karma in their present birth (ChUbh 6.14.2). One who is “living while liberated” (jīvanmukti) seamlessly inhabits the apparent paradoxes of being disembodied in the midst of embodiment, of acting while recognizing their non-agency, and of perceiving the world despite deindividuation. (See Fort 1998 on jīvanmukti).

A lucid dream experience is an ideal illustration of Śaṅkara’s liberation, though not found in his work. For experienced lucid dreamers, the recognition that one is dreaming possesses a conviction that completely cuts through the appearance of the dream fabric, but does so without eliminating perceptual dream experience. They are epistemically aware of two orders of reality, waking and dreaming, while phenomenally remaining in the less real dreaming order. The lucid dreamer is deindividuated from the dream body, yet remains embodied within the dream experience. They recognize that the dream is not separate from themselves, that it cannot touch them, and that there is nothing to fear or gain from it. In Śaṅkara’s metaphysical view however, the empirical order is analogous to īśvara’s dream, not one’s own. This view accommodates the universe’s identity with īśvara, along with intersubjective agreement and veridical cognition, without falling into solipsism. The individual is not creating empirical reality, but rather making a mistake about it. Like the dream, empirical reality is not illusory from within its own order of reality. It is known as a virtual appearance only from the more foundational perspective of knowing brahman, analogous to awakening to the reality of the dream. The liberated person is like a finite dream being within īśvara’s cosmic dream who has awakened within the dream. They recognize that the immediate presence of consciousness is the single foundation grounding all objects, the single self of all beings, and the self of īśvara.




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    #28327506 - 05/20/23 11:51 AM (8 months, 4 days ago)

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Why, the alternate cognitions. Who is the yard in which the dogs run? Another cognition. :crazy2: Two mirrors are sufficient to reflect one another infinitely.




if you want to read the same truth in like a million words that won to pulitzer half a century ago check out the book godel escher bach

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    #28327538 - 05/20/23 12:46 PM (8 months, 4 days ago)

Lol, I have that within my last 50 downloaded images. I read the book 18 years ago and haven't read it since, because I haven't needed to, but I refer back to that probably more than any other single text and set of images and abstractified music, which is what it actually is

I'm a mediocre visual artist but obviously a fan of Escher

I'm not deeply versed in mathematics but I am deeply versed in philosophy and symbolic logic and I'm a huge fan of gordel because you have to be an imbecile not to be if you actually understand logic

I played piano for all of 18 months when I was a kid and don't remember how to do any of it at all so my appreciation of bach purely qualitative


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    #28330146 - 05/22/23 03:30 PM (8 months, 2 days ago)

Poorer than a pig
slyer than a snake
weirder than a walrus
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History in both the Old and New Testaments is perceived through a glass darkly, in Paul’s own words, distorted by the political bias and religious imperatives of the redactors.  The diversity of worship described in Jeremiah in the time of the Kings comes to us through the Yahwistic gloss of the exilic authors in Babylon, sharpened by Zoroastrian apocalyptic ideas, replacing the Hebrew notion of Sheol with a future purification by fire in the end of days, leading to the stark contrast of Heaven and Hell.  This originated from the time Cyrus allowed the Jews in exile to return to Israel, where they instituted a more fundamentalistic paradigm, ordering the men of Israel to forsake their gentile wives.



“And Shechaniah … answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law” (Ezra 10:2).

Between the 10th century BCE and the beginning of their exile in 586 BCE, polytheism was normal throughout Israel. It was only after the exile that worship of Yahweh alone became established, and possibly only as late as the time of the Maccabees (2nd century BCE) that monotheism became universal among the Jews”.

Likewise, we know Christian history is a distorted tale, firstly of the supplanting of the original following of Yeshua by born again Pauline revisionism under threat of the anathema maranatha despite Paul having no direct knowledge of the events, or the key character involved, and then by the orthodox victors who suppressed the Valentinian gnostics and many others, causing the Nag Hammadi texts to be buried in jars until the 20th century, just as later developments like the Nicene creed and the Trinity also constitute confabulations of Yeshua’s mission.



Edom was a nominally Arab culture whose original female deities, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat who continued to be worshipped in Mecca up to the time of Muhammad, along with Dhushara the Lord of Seir. Gen 32:3 “And Jacob sent messengers before him to Esau his brother unto the land of Seir, the country of Edom”.







In the wake of Alexander cutting a military swathe across the Near East and the ensuing Seleucid empire, these deities were imbued with Greek personae as can be seen in the architectural forms of Nabateaen deities, where the female deities took on Greek forms like Tyche and Dhushara became a Dionysian deity whose tragic mask had the power to confer immortal life.







Israel, Nabatea and surrounding lands all spoke the Aramaic language of Syria. This was the language of Yeshua in Galilee and this was the language of the Nabateans. Galilean Aramaic is noted in Peter’s exposure: “And a little after, they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilaean, and thy speech agreeth thereto.” (Mark 14:11) Deuteronomy notes of Jacob "A wandering Aramaean was my father". The word Aram goes right back to the Mari texts of the twelfth century BCE. The whole area around Israel was in a state of inter-communication through commerce and a common language. The rulers of Nabatea and the Herodian dynasty closely intermarried.  There was a Jewish population scattered throughout and on all sides diverse beliefs. Nabatea held its own celebrations and religious festivals "on every high hill and under every green tree" as the Jewish curse against the nations goes...





The Dionysian connection pervaded the Near East with the rise of Alexander and the ensuing Greek empires and became integral to Syria and Nabatea. Dhushara was an ancient Arabic deity originally represented by a simple stone block in a similar manner to the worship of a stone pillar at Bethel by Jacob , as a non iconic face of the abstract God, as Yahweh was.



Gen 35:14: “Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he had spoken with him, a pillar of stone; and he poured out a drink offering on it, and poured oil on it”. However with the rise of Nabatean commerce and viticulture, Dhushara gained the persona of the Greek Dionysus, just as al-Uzza, al-lat and Manat gained the forms of Tyche, Atargatis and Aphrodite. Nabatean culture had shrines scattered far and wide across the fertile landscape."







In complete contrast, in The Gospel of Thomas, which begins “Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death” Yeshua says he is NOT the disciples master, but they are drunk on his Dionysian spring:







Thom (13) Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to someone and tell me whom I am like." Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a righteous angel." Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher." Thomas said to him, "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying whom you are like." Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring which I have measured out.” Again a Dionysian metaphor, but also a veridical declaration of truth.



The end of days is not an end but is as it was in the beginning.







Thom (18) The disciples said to Jesus, "Tell us how our end will be." Jesus said, "Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."







Nevertheless he reinforces that he is there to provoke conflict and conflagration:







Thom (16) Jesus said, "Men think, perhaps, that it is peace which I have come to cast upon the world. They do not know that it is dissension which I have come to cast upon the earth: fire, sword, and war. For there will be five in a house: three will be against two, and two against three, the father against the son, and the son against the father. And they will stand solitary.”





Yet he will do this by instilling new vision:





Thom (17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."


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    #28409899 - 07/27/23 05:38 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

instilling new vision:


Thom (17) Jesus said, "I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."






So like ' there are more things in heaven and earth then are dreamt of in my philosophy' and we are basically kept in the dark to some degree.


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    #28410433 - 07/27/23 01:54 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

He also says that you are the light of the world.

A light is only useful when it is used in a darkness.


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    #28410608 - 07/27/23 04:20 PM (5 months, 29 days ago)

"...Milavec (2021) notes the progression in the view of Christ’s descent, which undergoes an apocalyptic extrapolation as time ensues. In Acts 2:23, Peter says that Christ “was not abandoned by God in Hades [ο τε νκατελείφθη ε ς ιδην],” but says nothing about Jesus preaching in Hades. In 1 Peter however this is specifically described:

“By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, which sometime were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. ” (3:20)

Justin Martyr (d. 165 C.E.) claims it is the Jews who had died prior to the coming of Jesus: “The Lord God remembered his dead people of Israel who lay in their graves, and he descended to preach to them his salvation” (Dial. 72.4). The intent here appears to be that the good news of the soon-to-arrive Kingdom of God was being shared with the hundreds of thousands of those Jews from Abraham to John the Baptist. Even though they are admittedly laying in their graves, they receive the message of God’s future salvation intended for those “sleeping” in hope. Clement of Alexandria (d. 215 C.E.) tells that the Apostles, following their own deaths, descended into Hades where they preached to the pagan philosophers who had lived righteous lives (Strom. VI, 6:45, 5).  The third-century Gospel of Bartholomew portrays the “King of Glory” as descending the stairs of a thousand steps into the underworld. Hades, the god of the underworld, is trembling uncontrollably as he descends. Jesus “shattered the iron bars” of the gates of Hades and grabs the god Hades himself and pummels him “with a hundred blows and bound him with fetters that cannot be loosed” in an operation to save “Adam and all the patriarchs”. When Christ meets Adam, he specifically says: “I was hung upon the cross for your sake and for the sake of your children”, establishing the backwards causality.

The Catholic Catechism states this forward and backward causality from end to end of time. “In his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened Heaven's gates for the just who had gone before him.” His death is claimed to have freed from exclusion from Heaven the just who had gone before him: "It is precisely these holy souls who awaited their Saviour in Abraham's bosom whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into Hell”, echoing the words of the Roman Catechism, His death was of no avail to the damned.

"By the expression 'He descended into Hell', the Apostles' Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil 'who has the power of death' (Hebrews 2:14):

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Given this annihilating redemptive power over the devil, it remains opaque why deadly sin is still deemed to exist.

This Hellenistic view of the underworld extends from the Synoptic Gospels through to Revelation:

"And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works
which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day." (Matt 11:23, Luke 10:15).

"I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." (Revelation 1:18)

"The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death [D'evil-power] and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works." (Revelation 20:13)

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar, Luke 16 has Yeshua referring to Hades in a manner that anticipates the punishments of Hell in the Day of Judgment, pre-ordaining it for the guilty as an antechamber of woe. Versions of the Bible continue to predominantly refer to this as Hades or “the dead”, with only King James using Hell:

"And being in tormented in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.  And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented”.

The Gospel of Matthew allegorically relates that MANY PEOPLE rose from the dead, and after the resurrection walked about in Jerusalem and were seen by many people there:

“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHICH SLEPT AROSE AND CAME OUT OF THE GRAVE AFTER HIS RESURRECTION, AND WENT INTO THE HOLY CITY, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God”. (Matt. 27:53)..."


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