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4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share * 1
    #28259296 - 04/02/23 03:03 PM (9 months, 21 days ago)

Preamble:

I had ~4.5g of the shroomy good stuff last night with a buddy. Dried, powdered, soaked in lemon juice for 15 mins before steeping with a nice herbal tea blend. Filter, drink, enjoy. As usual, I had very clear and logical thoughts. A few visual artifacts, but nothing to write home about. I *did* want to write down and share some of my thoughts I was thinkin'. I don't see this really as a "trip report" but not sure if it belongs somewhere else.



Intro


I was thinking about how we as a society are a lot like a multi-cellular organism. Many things in our lives could be seen as analogous to cells, membranes, proteins, toxins and receptors, evolution and creation.

A had a lot of different thoughts related to this, but I'll try to lay out some examples.


Your House as the Cellular Unit

I think that our houses serve as a good analogue for a cell. It has a boundary (walls), that is selectively-permeable. We let some things into our house, and other things we don't. We try to keep out things like insects and pests.We try to keep out strange wild animals, and even strange other people. Yet we need to let in certain things to survive. We let in food in the form of groceries, we let in trusted friends and family to help our psyche. We let in house-keepers and repair-men in order to keep the house functional and in good working order. This boundary even has "receptors" that we use to selectively let in these things: Doors, windows, and vents.

The stuff "inside the cell" is a good comparison to the proteins, and organelles in a cell. Each of them has a role to play, and interact according to some statistical probabilities. Like molecules diffusing through the cytoplasm, my cat roams around the house most of the time. She has a tendency towards certain areas as opposed to others. After being activated for too long, she tends to bind to her "sleeping" receptor: the warm heated blanket we keep by the couch. It is warm, and soft, and the cat has a strong statistical bias for such conditions.

And, while you may think this cat is a useless member of this functioning cell, I dare to disagree! She is cute, fuzzy, and very soft, and I have a strong statistical bias for such conditions. Her presence often biases me away from less healthy states, and increases my likelihood of maintaining a healthy state, where I am able to continue functioning and maintain a symbiotic equilibrium with the rest of the system.

I could go on with this analogy for lots of other things in my house: The water heater that let's me bathe or wash my hands with hot water, The air conditioning unit that keeps a homeostatic temperature, The table and chairs that function to keep food and object off the floor (and, away from the cat!). I'll leave that to you to see that.


Unhealthy activity in the Cell

I also thought about how these 'cells' can become very unhealthy in similar ways to normal cells. Cell's don't suddenly "die". The can slowly run out of resources like oxygen, until metabolic activity stops. Toxic compounds can interfere with the complex cellular machinery, until metabolic activity stops or the cell wall is destroyed.

I spend a good amount of time thinking about the sort of "Toxins" exist in our lives. I think it's fair to say that a lot of things in modern society are not healthy. Depending on how far on the 'woo-woo-hippy-shit' meter you are, things like ultra-processed foods, sedentary lifestyles, poor ergonomic working conditions, excessive TV and media consumption, or anything "unnatural" might be considered "unhealthy". Or, in other words, a "Toxin" that interferes with our existing cellular machinery and causes premature halt to metabolic activity.


Unhealthy activity in our own lives

Given our analogy of the cell wall and receptors being the walls, and doors of a house, these toxins enter our selective-permeable membranes and can wreak havoc. Some of them may be benign, like the occasional bug getting through the door. Some minor discomfort, but probably no lasting damage. Other things are more insidious though.

As I was tripping, a good example to me was plastic. It's absolutely everywhere, and probably isn't great for the long-term survival of the cell, or the larger ecosystem the cell inhabits...

I also thought that online orders and packages were a great  analogy to virsuses. Some innocuous product, packaged up in a shell, that our cell *can not resist* bringing in, and unwrapping. Only later discovering the damage after the product inside starts hijacking our natural functions. Just like plastic products. Or absolutely *delicious* yet equally unhealthy food, that over time makes us weaker and more prone to injury. It even comes in a nice packaged box, ready for us to enjoy!


Humans are just a complex cellular machine

Looking at the world this way, it's not about *people* making bad *choices* leading to poor health. After all, we wouldn't say that a nueron makes bad choices when say, a serotonin-like molecule starts interfering with it's 5-HT2a receptors. We typically don't assign blame and feelings to the proteins and organelles that let such a terrible thing happen! Shame on you, 5-HT2a receptor, that's not how you're supposed to function! that would be silly. It's just the way they are. In the same vein, I also don't think we need to assign blame to human beings for acting unhealthy. (and, that includes ourselves!)

Instead, we should probably be creating better systems to deal with these sorts of toxins. For instance, I'd argue that someone who is "lazy" and never exercises isn't doing so because they just "made bad choices", or needs "more willpower". It's probably because they don't have access to fun, engaging exercise that they enjoy. After all, we are just statistically driven machines, working with a *very* complex set of rules and systems that govern our biological activity. "Rational thought" is overrated.

On a personal note, I have been finding this to be true for myself as well. For the last 2 years, I've been putting meaningful effort into exercising more after my doctor found "extremely unhealthy" levels of cholesterol. But... I hate going to the gym and lifting weights. Running around the block is not fun. It's a chore, and I dislike it. Since I dislike it, I avoid it and rarely do it. However, get me to an arcade and ask me to play DDR, and I will pass out from exhaustion and love every minute of it. On a short trip to the mountains, I had a *ton* of fun learning to snowboard, and probably got more exercise in two days than I had in months.


Summary

So, in summary, I am going to try to think of myself less as a "rational" being with "free will", and therefore everything is my own fault. Instead, I will just think of myself as the messy pile of cellular machinery that I am.


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: SeventhMushroom]
    #28259335 - 04/02/23 03:36 PM (9 months, 21 days ago)

My thoughts are always jarbled, confusing, meshed together and incoherent. I am amazed when people can come back with any information other than feelings.


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28259556 - 04/02/23 05:55 PM (9 months, 21 days ago)

I'm still rather new at this, and working my way up in dosage. So, maybe I just haven't reached the right "level" yet :shrug:

But I keep getting the strangest sensation that I am more "myself", and in control of my mental faculties during the peak, than I am when sober. It's an odd clarity about the world, and a certainty that I am finally in control again. A lot like taking a deep breath when you're upset or angry, and all of a sudden you can calm down and think clearly. And then it keeps wearing off after ~6 hours! :mad2:

To be honest, it's very opposite to how I hear many people describe "tripping".


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: NotSheekle]
    #28277604 - 04/14/23 03:19 PM (9 months, 9 days ago)

I’m exactly the same as you, except sometimes the coherent thought can be put together after I’m sober from the trip. Not sure if this is the same for everyone. I doubt he wrote this down at the peak of his 4.5g trip :grin:


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: SeventhMushroom]
    #28278708 - 04/15/23 10:15 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

Coming into clarity sounds like you are doing it right


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: SeventhMushroom]
    #28278826 - 04/15/23 11:21 AM (9 months, 9 days ago)

This was a really enjoyable read. I appreciate all the effort you took to articulate your thoughts so clearly. There are also some beautiful and comforting conclusions at the end.  And it all checks out logically. I can agree with all of it. Thanks.


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: wanderer5]
    #28281421 - 04/17/23 12:10 AM (9 months, 7 days ago)

Glad you liked it man, I think I'll do more of this type of thing. My memory is limited, and being able to look back on this makes it all feel more clear again.

(also, I just want to note that this was just one, of many, thoughts I had during this time)


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: Franklin]
    #28281444 - 04/17/23 12:46 AM (9 months, 7 days ago)

Quote:

I doubt he wrote this down at the peak of his 4.5g trip




I would like to think that I probably could have written this down during the peak, and it may have been even more articulate IMO. However, I have better things to do with that rare and precious time.

When I first started tripping, I would keep some pen and paper with me, and try to write down things for later. Observations about the experience, from body feelings, to thought patterns. Or even interesting thoughts that I wanted to remember later (like the OP), or observations about the people around me and how they behaved.

After a few times like this though, it began to feel more tedious than anything. The words I would write down were usually either not important, or something I already remembered. In fact, this is the last thing I wrote before I closed my journal for good, several trips ago:

[me, writing a note for my sober self, with love and compassion]
Quote:

...If I stopped explaining things in detail, it's because it wasn't worth taking the time to write it out for you.

in other words, there's a lot of things to say that aren't being said because
a) words + writing take too much time and too much focus
b) I'd rather do something else




Even this statement failed to capture so much of what I was feeling and experiencing about this, many of which I still remember today. For instance, the difficulty of choosing words to convey the right meaning to anther person (aka, my sober self), and not just words that sound good together but may give a different meaning: A task that I find terribly difficult even while sober, yet gets simultaneously easier and more apparent while tripping. Yet, if I had taken to the time to try and write all of that out, the trip would be over by the time I finished writing, and I would not have gotten to experience far more interesting thoughts.


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Re: 4.5g cubensis mushies - A random thought to share [Re: SeventhMushroom]
    #28309380 - 05/06/23 05:04 PM (8 months, 18 days ago)

Beautiful trip report. I'd say you got a new perspective on reality.

It a bit of a fractal or Russian Nesting Doll or peeling an onion. The cell to the body to the house to the city, county state, nation, earth, solar system, galaxy, and universe (assuming there is life out there).

There is some mystical thought about early Ancient Egypt having a society, culture, and wisdom where everything is in harmony. It is unproven speculation but it is romanticized they had maximum humanity and instinctive naturalness. As rationality and science makes "progress" (sarcastic quotes), we lose our humanity and empathy and instinct. It would be an x y graph with two lines inversely proportional. X would be scientific progress and y would be humanity. We started with maximum y and trend down on one line and zero x and trend up for the other line. It is proposed the Egyptians had the power of symbolism and metaphor and layered meanings maybe accessing the subconscious.

There is a joke which says we go to the gym to rid ourselves of toxins and burn excess calories in our "food" (sarcastic quotes). If we lived in walkable communities and had unprocessed food, we would get exercise from working and shopping and cooking and there would be no need for a gym. Everything in our life has become a commodity in capitalism. The food makes you sick so you need the gym to cure yourself of the food.


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