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OfflineGod Consciousness
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Psilocybin (shrooms) inducing temporary psychosis
    #28306989 - 05/04/23 09:15 PM (8 months, 20 days ago)

Friends, Romans and psychonauts. This is not a trip report per se, but a summary after a dozen trips where a recurring pattern emerged.

First time I tried mushrooms, it was amazing. I just felt it's not working...not working and then it came on and I felt so good and laughed my heart out getting the cosmic joke.

Second time, it was extremely potent. (Probably after a month or so later.) That is when I first got glimpse of mild psychotic symptoms.

Third to Sixth time... I did them all at night. Third time I was laughing after I was done peaking but not the other times. So far I did 3.5 grams bag all time time. And starting from 3rd time, it would induce psychosis. I would feel utterly bitter, cynical, negative, couldn't find any silver lining whatsoever and felt absolutely miserable and nihilistic for four hours. Absolute four hours of pure hell on earth and torture. I would also get images of serpents and reptiles and blood and gore.

Seventh time I decided to respect the set and setting even more. So instead of doing it on cold, winter night (where the shrooms made me like a bitter old man for 4 hours...) I decided to do at daytime. I should have trusted my own intuition instead of all the others who talk about 'doing it nature' and not at home or outdoors... Because I drove 5 miles to a park and it was full of people and dogs and what not and I had to come back home because I realized it doesn't matter where you are, you don't need to go to some "other" place to be in a Zen state of mind.

Eight time was chocolate.

Ninth and subsequent times I lowered the dosage from 3.5 grams to about 1 and 1.5. Either it was microdose, but this time I did not feel the psychosis.

tl:dr: Take home points and questions for the board:

1. Was it he dosage? Because it had to be right. The first few times I was laughing and what not. I realize serotonin was fully flowing. But few other times I felt like I took some nasty antidepressant.

2. Does the fact I had temporary psychosis mean inherently by birth and genetics I have schizo-like disorder? Yes, I have been diagnosed with schizo-affective and bipolar disorder, but be ware the psychiatrists have a vested interest to medicate anyone and everyone at the slightest drop of hat. Right now... as I am typing I feel completely fine and normal.
However that still doesn't take away the fact, I COULD have schizo like tendencies and that is why temporary psychosis was induced.  But under the 'hood' could psychosis lurk in me? (My father has untreated schizophrenia). And perhaps shrooms merely showed what is under the hood.

At the same time, why weren't the same psychosis induced first few times? I understand mushrooms affect neurotransmitters in non-specific way. Thus it can probably lower serotonin, up glutamate, downregulate dopamine and what not instead of, say weed, which acts mostly on the dopamine neurotransmitters.

3. Well... the good news is after the fours of hellish trip were over 5-6 times, I was absolutely in the zone. Completely in the flow state. Born again. Brand new person. Total reset. Serotonin flowing and what not. Happy. Happy. Happy. People kind and angelic and as if I entered heavenly state on earth.

4. Does it mean that's how shroom works? A point of contention, my MAIN intention of doing shrooms is not to get high but to kick off addiction. However, the problem is the four hours were so hellish, I can't just do it whenever I want to to kick off my addiction. Probably that is by design so as not to get dependent on shrooms (I know you can't get addicted to shrooms.) Point being, if i felt affinity to shrooms like weed I could get addicted to it... this is why the NATURE of the earthy substance is such that it scrubs your mind, ego and self so as to get rid of the grout, dross and grimes.

5. My anxiety were lessened for a month the first time. Subsequent trips, shrooms would INDUCE anxiety. Again, it could be the dosage or perhaps doing kundalini exercise 2 days later.

I know shrooms are not for everyone. Certainly not for people with psychosis. Although it helps people with addiction and depression. Guess, what I am trying to drive home is: HOW CAN I HAVE A GOOD TRIP IN THE FUTURE?

Or the fact, I am doing lower dosage is good enough and I shouldn't push it? However, overall the benefits outweigs the four hours of cons about 100:1.

Finally a word about set and setting. It seems like the more I try... do exercise, take shower, do my ritual, do gratitude and ask for forgiveness and approach with humility... no matter how soundproof I like to make my pre-game ritual, it seems inevitably shrooms would destroy it temporarily. I could be having the best day of my life and do shroom and boom! Back to a nihilistic bitter curmudgeon state of mind.

Any thoughts is deeply appeciated.

Here is a link I could find that specifically talk abou this topic.

Psilocybin induces schizophrenia-like psychosis in humans via a serotonin-2 agonist action

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9875725/


Edited by God Consciousness (05/04/23 09:21 PM)


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Re: Psilocybin (shrooms) inducing temporary psychosis [Re: God Consciousness]
    #28306999 - 05/04/23 09:20 PM (8 months, 20 days ago)

That's not psychosis. It's possibly some kind of antisocial personality trait type stuff.

If you're not having enjoyable experiences with mushrooms, I would recommend not doing them anymore, there's no shame in stopping if you're not enjoying yourself.


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Re: Psilocybin (shrooms) inducing temporary psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #28307004 - 05/04/23 09:24 PM (8 months, 20 days ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
That's not psychosis. It's possibly some kind of antisocial personality trait type stuff.

If you're not having enjoyable experiences with mushrooms, I would recommend not doing them anymore, there's no shame in stopping if you're not enjoying yourself.




Thank you for replying.

No. I have had psychosis before. So it definitely felt like psychosis. Except it goes away.

Also ayahuasca has less-than-pleasant effects, but people do it for growth. I didn't do shrooms to have a good time, rather to learn and grow and mostly to knock off my addiction.

I understand and respect your advice. But yesterday I did lower dosage (about 1 gram) and it helped me to stop craving for my addiction. Since lower dosage doesn't give me any bad trip, I wonder if microdosing is the way to go.


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Re: Psilocybin (shrooms) inducing temporary psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #28308067 - 05/05/23 05:23 PM (8 months, 19 days ago)

Hi
I can relate with having uncomfortable experiences during the trip, then afterwards after a sleep just feeling absolutely blissful.
I put it down to having experienced something incredibly uncomfortable (I thought I had lost touch with the real world permanently and was doomed to shift from pleasant to painful experience non linearly), and then realising that I am safe.

Also realising that I am sane and will not perpetually hallucinate the rest of my life
I find psychedelics scary, but also therapeutic as they enable me to action psychotherapy principles in safe environments (such as grounding self in reality and questioning unhelpful thoughts)


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Re: Psilocybin (shrooms) inducing temporary psychosis [Re: ellamush]
    #28308084 - 05/05/23 05:32 PM (8 months, 19 days ago)

Hi again,
To clarify, do yo WANT to become addicted to mushrooms (I'm not sure how you phrased that point). I cannot recommend that.

Also, I tend to believe a psychiatrist will endeavour to give you an accurate diagnosis, as antipsychotic medications are no joke and have pretty strong side effects. So, I would think you in fact do or have had those disorders in the past. In this case, potentially your predisposal to psychosis impacts your trips.
As far as I'm aware it's not common for mushrooms to "set off" an organic psychotic episode, but I would be wary if I were you given it seems to be concerning you as it is. I'm not a doctor tho (nurse) but I don't think that a trip experience would technically be classified as a psychotic episode, as it has an external cause (the drug) and is time limited to the drug.

But as always, all I can really suggest is to discuss it with a professional (your psychiatrist or a doctor). I understand that is either too expensive or not a comfortable option for most, but I think they can shed light on to whether your diagnosis is shifting, in relation to how you feel when you are sober.

Cheers


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Re: Psilocybin (shrooms) inducing temporary psychosis [Re: God Consciousness]
    #28309283 - 05/06/23 03:02 PM (8 months, 18 days ago)

I suspect you may be really focused on avoiding a bad trip and by trying to avoid a bad trip you actually manifest the bad trip. Don't think of a pink elephant. You are stuck in a loop. Maybe the only way out is through. Accept the bad trip.

For some tough love I would say psychedelics are not for you based on your mental health history and current addiction. It is unfortunate for you but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I have also briefly seen gore on a trip. I accepted the gore and did not fight it and went through it like a fractal.

Maybe you are getting close to ego death and the tricky little ego is putting up a firewall by distracting you with this bad trip.


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