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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: nooneman] 4
#28312680 - 05/09/23 12:13 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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nooneman said: The Shroomery was built on tits, ass, and pussy, and yes many, many unwanted cocks.
After spending quite some time reading through this entire thread, that little ditty right there legit had me laughing out loud. 

I'm still laughing and grinning like an idiot just thinking about it now. 
But on a more serious note, because this thread is probably one of the most serious sounding threads I've read on here in a while, I'm going to take the easy way out and suggest that my opinion on the matters under discussion fall largely in line with what my colleagues Y and Asante have thus far elucidated.
I used to put some fairly big efforts toward affecting the community's standards and encouraging more active policy enforcement, including long ago (like 20 years long ago!) authoring/promoting our Administrative Rules & Guidelines. I have over the years recognized the importance of, by and large, allowing the community to be its own community without too much interference. If I see something overtly hostile and aggressive outside of OTD, I'll intervene. Sometimes this is simply by posting my counter-thoughts in attempts to promote thoughtful understanding and empathy through leading by example, and sometimes it's with a quick edit or thread dump and/or an account ban, depending on the context and overall flow of the discourse in the given thread. If it's illegal content, I nip it in the bud, because my primary goal in helping manage the Shroomery, is to ensure that it continues to exist in whatever forms it may morph into and out of over that time.
Although I sometimes recoil at some of the more disrespectful and extreme expressions people post in the course of various dialogue, I am often consoled by the common sense attitude that generally prevails, and how the community does a reasonably decent job at policing itself by meeting most negative behaviors with attempts to positively counter balance and reason, in turn creating a constructive discussion.
Attempting to manifest a utopia can be a tempting proposition, but in practice, too many guidelines and too much restriction tends to result in anything but. Now this isn't to say we don't have plenty of room for improvement, and I love that we have members motivated enough to have these discussions in attempts to improve the experience here. So let's keep working toward building the best community we can, and let's remember that this is largely accomplished through our efforts to lead by example via our participation at an individual level.
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: geokills] 3
#28312794 - 05/09/23 01:49 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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I'll also add one more quick and somewhat relevant passage to this thread that I just read over on Raptitude, which incidentally is a fantastic and thought provoking blog started by a rather fine Shroomerite:
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Restricting speech only helps the people in power.
I know many smart people who believe punishing “harmful” speech helps to defend vulnerable minorities. They’re being played like a fiddle. Make no mistake: it will always be the people in power who ultimately decide what speech is allowable. They will restrict it in a way that serves them, and to the degree to which the public lets them. The compassion of misguided activists is being exploited by the powerful to undermine the most basic recourse disempowered populations still have: the right to say what they think is true. Curtailing speech, whether through law or social taboo, consolidates power like nothing else, as every authoritarian regime has shown us. Many well-meaning people who believe they’re “fighting the power” are actually handing them the keys.
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: geokills]
#28314003 - 05/10/23 09:37 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Thank you for your comments, geokills!
I'd like to follow-up with you.
Do you hold the same standards for yourself today, for your life in general, that you did 20 or 25 years ago?
If you have made improvements to yourself, to your standards, to your daily habits, what improvements have you made? The reason I ask these questions is to offer a cordial rebuttal to what you believe The Shroomery was built upon.
Perhaps we should ask Ythan, Asante, and Administrator the same questions. Are we developing as people now that we're a bit more mature in terms of years? If we have developed higher standards, personally speaking, is The Shroomery developing in this same manner? Is there room for legitimate, actionable improvement of The Shroomery?
Can we raise our standards to obtain a more enjoyable, uplifting experience on this site?
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: Thomas Envisio] 2
#28314038 - 05/10/23 09:54 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Thomas Envisio said: Do you hold the same standards for yourself today, for your life in general, that you did 20 or 25 years ago?
Largely yes; I have lived a life, thus far, on a fairly even keel. While I have hopefully gained some measure of insight and understanding (dare I say wisdom?) over my years of experience, I have held more or less consistent ambitions and lifestyle - namely to go about my business and personal intrigues peacefully with respect and tolerance for others - cultivating this mentality from my adolescence up to my current state at 40 years old.
If anything, I would venture that the most important aspect of my personal growth surrounds an ability to remain calm and unbothered by the things around me that I might wish were a little different, but which I can concede I have minimal if any control over. In essence, the biggest change I can consciously recognize in myself relative to my early adolescence, is an increased ability to relinquish the perceived need to control anything outside of myself.
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Can we raise our standards to obtain a more enjoyable, uplifting experience on this site?
Perhaps, however I would contend as I did before, that this is best accomplished through producing our best possible individual contributions to the community, not by attempting to force others to change or manipulate their contributions.
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: geokills]
#28314087 - 05/10/23 10:21 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Thank you for your response.
Are there any other administrators who can also add their perspective(s) regarding this thread? In particular, the original post? If so, can you please add your commentary today or tomorrow?
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: Thomas Envisio] 7
#28318395 - 05/13/23 02:37 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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It sounds like OP wants to make the place a safe space where being offended or experiencing any sort of adversity shouldn't be allowed. That's just life and we all experience it differently, as an adult you should be able to handle reading something online that you don agree with o disgusts you or whatever. If that is an issue you can always avoid those posts. Censoring and invading peoples privacy is pretty out of line. What's next, mental health checks for the members? Deciding if the are eligible to be a member of the shroomery? People contribute to this site in many different ways outside of mycology. If rules become that stringent I'm sure many members would leave, myself included.
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: SonicTitan]
#28320340 - 05/15/23 08:59 AM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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Thank you for your response, SonicTitan.
I'd like to ask more of you to participate. This week can more mods add their stances on these proposals?
Also, whatever happened to the other administrators like Anno, Seuss, Thor, Vampire999, WiccanSeeker, Link, 3DSHROOM, Moe, Papaver, Suffer, "Administrator," etc.? Have they all passed on to the afterlife?
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: Thomas Envisio] 1
#28320807 - 05/15/23 04:29 PM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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They got sick of random dudes telling them how to do their job.
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: Thomas Envisio] 7
#28320971 - 05/15/23 07:31 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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The only admins who actively post on a regular basis are me, geokills, and Asante.
Anno lurks around and helps out with admin decisions and programming, but he's not super active on the forums.
I haven't talked to Seuss in a while but he logged in a few months ago. I always appreciated his advice and technical expertise.
Thor pops in every couple years to say hello, he still has affection for the site but he's off living his life.
Vampire999 did a ton to support the site's tech setup back in the day, he's a great guy and I miss working with him but he's on to bigger and better things.
WiccanSeeker changed his name to Asante and he's very much still around. 
Link does a lot behind the scenes to keep the servers running but he's got his own stuff going on and doesn't post a ton.
3DSHROOM was instrumental in keeping the site going during a tumultuous time in the early days, but sadly there was a bit of a falling with some of the other admins. It's all ancient history as far as I'm concerned, but he went his separate way and I doubt he'll be back. I hope he's well.
Moe was an admin with a big personality, I understand she goes by Macey now. I was never an admin at the same time as she was, so I don't have any experience working together, but I always loved reading her posts in OTD and I miss having her around.
Papaver was a creative guy with strong emotional intelligence who was always a valuable voice in the admin forum. I haven't heard from him in a while and I hope he's doing okay.
Suffer was an old friend and roommate from my teens and early 20s, he's the only other admin who I've ever actually met. We had a personal falling out so he's not around the site anymore.
"Administrator" is just a system account for sending notifications and that sort of thing. It isn't monitored by a human.
Aphex, NightChild, Ulises, and Herben/Ska Maria also deserve to be mentioned. Aphex in particular was the first to move us towards a dynamic database-driven design, and he was also who originally registered the "shroomery.org" domain name. But all were admins at critical points during the early days of the site. Wish I knew how they were doing.
Hope that answers your question and thanks for the trip down memory lane!
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Re: New Standards Proposal To Admins, Mods, & Members [Re: Thomas Envisio]
#28354296 - 06/10/23 09:45 AM (7 months, 15 days ago) |
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Tldr but if yu scroll fast things get trippy so thx Alot of these proposed rules would take the life out of the shroomery so its a No 4 me Dude is srs biznss abt everyythaang gosh darn №###### Erica call me @ noon №###### №###### New №###### Send №######
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