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epilectric
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can't believe anyone is still doing covid shots...
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28308864 - 05/06/23 09:39 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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well I know a few people with long covid, and so, I also know a wee bit about the immune system, and well, I am not involved in consuming the conspiracy theories, so there you go. My shoulder hurts, and probably will for 3 days total.
done.
the WHO declares that the worst is over but it is still pretty bad world wide, and people are gathering en mass as if there never were any mask mandates.
I play on the side of caution.
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epilectric
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i have completely opposing presumptions compared to yours, so for me caution involves avoiding covid shots (because i believe they can even intensify infections, while posing other health risks like the (rare but possible) myocarditis or infarction)
i was all for wearing masks, holding distance, partial lockdowns...
had covid 3 times and it gave me 7-10 days of detox and regeneration. my sisters were more strongly affected though
but as long as you feel safer that way, there you go... my brother had 3 shots and wouldn't get another one, had some weird postvac syndrome symptoms that thankfully dissipated at some point
my 50yo neighbor said he feels safer with 3 shots but in the end it can hit you this way or another ... i think that's kinda true
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28309082 - 05/06/23 12:33 PM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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yes, well I did not get covid even once yet. and I want to keep it that way. I have even been exposed to covid infected babies out of necessity, but my shield has been effective.
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epilectric
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good to hear 🙏
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sudly
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28309176 - 05/06/23 01:39 PM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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epilectric said: i have completely opposing presumptions compared to yours, so for me caution involves avoiding covid shots (because i believe they can even intensify infections, while posing other health risks like the (rare but possible) myocarditis or infarction)
i was all for wearing masks, holding distance, partial lockdowns...
had covid 3 times and it gave me 7-10 days of detox and regeneration. my sisters were more strongly affected though
but as long as you feel safer that way, there you go... my brother had 3 shots and wouldn't get another one, had some weird postvac syndrome symptoms that thankfully dissipated at some point
my 50yo neighbor said he feels safer with 3 shots but in the end it can hit you this way or another ... i think that's kinda true
Watch out for paracetamol, peanuts, fish and cat fur! Because some people have allergies and can react poorly.
Why you believe a shot could intensify the infection is paradoxical and backwards.
Billions of doses have been given fine. I've has Covid once after 2 shots, and it was still a very tough experience with a headache that felt like a vice on my forehead and lethargy like that of being hit by a car.
Could have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated and I'm glad I am.
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epilectric
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: sudly]
#28309823 - 05/07/23 01:35 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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whatever floats ur boat
i never take paracetamol or other NSAIDs; if i'm in pain, i vape weed.
i'm vegetarian and don't wear fur.
peace out
Edited by epilectric (05/07/23 01:37 AM)
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sudly
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28309856 - 05/07/23 02:45 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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epilectric said: for me caution involves avoiding covid shots (because i believe they can even intensify infections
Live and let die, how's your coke habit?
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epilectric
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: sudly]
#28309859 - 05/07/23 03:01 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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omg i did that last time in october last year and immediately regretted it... before that it was may last year, same regrets
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sudly
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28309864 - 05/07/23 03:10 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Ain't no paracetemol for you, but a sniff'o coke'll do 
Real consistent mate.
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epilectric
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: sudly]
#28309867 - 05/07/23 03:23 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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i'm not doing any more at this point
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sudly
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28309874 - 05/07/23 03:36 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Good for you, the covid increasing infections comment is still undeniably a backwards things to say.
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epilectric
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: sudly]
#28309878 - 05/07/23 03:43 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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not if you read the according studies
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9548747/
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-067873
every body works slightly differently
i'm a hypersensitive individual, easily get skin rashes by contaminants and don't want to have any of that inside my body
Edited by epilectric (05/07/23 03:52 AM)
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: sudly]
#28309885 - 05/07/23 04:10 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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I am ashamed that I am attracted to disease..
My covid 8 months ago.. after 2 vaccines..
Lasted 2 weeks..
Just binged serial killer case files..
Couldn't do anything else.
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sudly
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28309924 - 05/07/23 05:35 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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For your first link, it only has three references,
The first concludes clinical data has not yet been established for a link between ADE and covid vaccines,
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The conclusion states that ADE has been observed in other respiratory virus infections, including SARS, MERS, RSV, and measles, which suggests a real risk of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based interventions. However, clinical data has not yet established
The second concludes that some vaccines may need to be adapted to mutating variants.
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The article highlights the potential risk of antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of virus infection in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic. ADE is a phenomenon where the presence of specific antibodies can enhance virus entry and replication into host cells, which may worsen the disease outcomes. Although vaccines have been approved and distributed worldwide, there is a concern that the newly mutated virus can escape antibody-mediated protection induced by previous infection or vaccination. If the vaccines are not capable of generating neutralizing antibodies against the possible mutagenic variants, the result may lead to the generation of sub-neutralizing antibodies that can facilitate virus uptake by macrophages and cause inflammation. To tackle this challenge, careful design and testing of vaccines will be necessary to evaluate their efficacy against the viral mutations and to improve the condition of patients, accelerate their recovery, and reduce the risk of deterioration and death.
And the third one doesn't even mention antibody-dependent enhancement.
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Taking together all the information described in this review, it is evident that the clinical findings, signs and symptoms of a patient are the phenotypic expression of the pathophysiological and molecular mechanisms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Thus, no findings alone, whether molecular, clinical, radiological or pathological axis are sufficient for an accurate diagnosis. However, their intersection and/or correlation are extremely valuable and critical for a proper diagnosis. All things considered, the clinical-radio-patho-molecular correlation is extremely fundamental for pulmonologists establish the diagnosis and new treatment perspectives.
You've found a single case report that does not provide conclusive evidence of a causal relationship between COVID vaccines and ADE. A single case report that hasn't been cited by anyone. And to top it off, Nadim Salomon initially disclosed receiving honoraria and having an ownership interest that depict a conflict of interest, but then later removed that disclosure.
And dude, your second link just says that protection provided by initial vaccines wanes over time from the covid vaccine, and thus a booster is recommended. So the longer you go inbetween booster vaccines, the higher your risk of infection becomes.
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These findings confirm that the BNT162b2 vaccine provided excellent protection in the initial weeks after vaccination but suggest that protection wanes for some individuals with time.
Conclusions In this retrospective large cohort study, performed in individuals who received two doses of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine, protection seemed to decrease over time, and the risk of breakthrough infection by SARS-CoV-2 increased progressively compared with the protection provided during the initial 90 days. Interpretation of the findings of the study is limited by the observational design, but the results suggest that consideration of a third vaccine dose might be warranted.
Again, the covid vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching covid, it reduces the likelihood that you will. If you do catch it, the vaccines help your immune system to be able to identify covid and create effective antibodies to combat the infection and reduce the severity of the infection, and how long it takes to recover from the illness.
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epilectric
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: sudly]
#28309980 - 05/07/23 07:31 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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alright then, maybe i confused the second link with another study. my bad
i base my decisions on intuition and not on what some experts who don't know me are suggesting. i'm not telling you to do otherwise and you should tell me neither
people i know who had 3 shots have had the same duration and severity of covid as i had... others who didn't get vacced only had mild infections.
you never know what it's gonna be until it hits you
i went without the vaccines, my last of 3 infections was last august and i'm feeling great with no long covid whatsoever. only the first infection was tough but it gave me back several nights of earlier lost sleep and i'm thankful for that. the loss of appetite was annoying. the virus felt to me like what i imagine metal poisoning to feel like... i had no breathing troubles though, only slight fever, runny nose, headache & loss of appetite
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: epilectric]
#28310021 - 05/07/23 08:38 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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epilectric said: i base my decisions on intuition and not on what some experts who don't know me are suggesting
Plucking gold!

We do know that a vaccine will boost your immune systems response to covid, so that if someone was going to have a severe infection before, they're far less likely to now.
Your words be living in an anecdotal bubble yo, don't be that guy who minimises scientific discovery and the experience of millions by holding solely onto the notion that people experience different viral loads and general health.
Don't make light of the ol, younger, fitter people's immune systems being generally able to fend off viral infections better than the elderly or immune compromised among us. Especially with a highly infectious airborne disease.
But look, nowadays most people are vaccinated or have some degree of immunity at the very least, and while it's not as much of an issue today, back in the haywire of it all, the kind of thinking you're espousing to is the kind of attitude that helped to further spread the disease that inevitably led to more suffering and consequent deaths.
I get there is only so much someone can do, and that it's not inherently or necessarily our fault if someone we unknowingly infected was severely infected or worse, but there were and are things we can do to try and minimise the impact on the health of those around us in regard to infectious diseases, and that began with the covid vaccine that has prevented a countless weight of misery and more.
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epilectric said: for me caution involves avoiding covid shots (because i believe they can even intensify infections
This is just a weirdly ignorant and insensitive thing to say imo. Some people genuinly have allergic reactions to any vaccine or medication, but you can say that as your concern instead.
But like old mate said,
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Edited by sudly (05/07/23 08:49 AM)
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#28310023 - 05/07/23 08:40 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Let us not derail this thread any further.
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Re: Just a note to say good-bye [Re: Pinkerton]
#28310199 - 05/07/23 11:47 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Can I stick him with a fork to see if he is done?
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Are you my disciple?
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