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rxb
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there is no good system of government.
and since we arent even allowed to try new things, you gets what you gets and you like it.
in capitalism the poor are subjected to the whims of the rich. which is why farming is declining so rapidly and more and more of our food is imported. the rich can afford to game the system, which draws money out of the lower class into the upper class. the more rich bezos gets the more poor people cant pay their bills... he isnt evil, he is just winning at a game where the people losing are actually dying.
social programs try to alleviate some of that by adding systems to help those people on the bottom be able to function... food stamps and free bus fair, actually keep poor people from stealing and robbing people who have more... because what are they going to do starve to death?... social programs can help to a degree. if people have basic needs met then they are less likely to break the law in order to survive...somepeople break the law anyhow...
communism could work right up until the first person who takes from the system but doesnt give back to it. so, that fails quickly, unless there is some motivation to not be greedy, and many people believe that is authoritanianism... which you see in soviet systems and in the chinese system. unfortunately it becomes a dictatorship very very quickly and is only calling itself communism ...
greed seems to be the common factor in the downfall of society.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28308908 - 05/06/23 10:08 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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No there is, it's called democracy. We don't really got it is the thing, I think you mean economics any hows. Democracy and socialism go together better than what we got. No one seems to be alarmed at a 2 party system from within. It's like bat shit has no meaning in here.
I took macro economics at my local college instead of my university cause it was cheaper and I could. I had this indian professor who the white kids couldn't understand, but he believed he knew his shit too.
They don't give out housing though like there's a job fulfillment shortage. It's fucking bs. I'm a software automation expert, but there's no reason I couldn't be a robotics automation expert.
The gov is bs the way ron paul got derailed in 2012 or bernie in 2016 or how yang dropped out of 2020.
I'm going to make a data table with people's names, geomapped addresses, and their vote. targeted marketing only sucks in hell and these bastards already know who you pretend vote for.
I don't know how banking and insurance is private industry, I mean I do but you know
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rxb
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we dont really have democracy.
true democracy is anarchy anyhow.
democracy usually co-habitates with capitalism which is good for the rich and bad for the poor.
infact because the rich have so much power in this country, i can buy real estate for free... and make money from it for free...i can pay no taxes on it what so ever.... as long as i only make income from refinance and i never owe more in taxes from income than i pay interest on the loans...
not saying its the fastest living, but its tax free. can do it much faster if you dont MIND paying the taxes, and with depreciation and upkeep those taxes can be dropped to almost nothing.
some working joe rents from me, not only would he pay down the mortgage,but because he is renting, i can assess the property based on the cap rate for a business loan... meaning now its worth more because it generates income.
i can draw down that increased equity as a loan... all of the interest payments are tax deductable so now i can figure out how much income that would offset and i can be sure i collect just enough income from that so that i pay no tax at all... the loan money i collect would be in my pocket tax free mind you.
i could then as a rich person collecting rents give myself enough additional income to fill a 401k and a roth ira... with employee matching mind you ... and still im growing my net worth and still im paying no tax.
now i can roll the 401k into the roth .. and whatsever in the roth can be used to fund more realestate deals... which as long as the money stays in the roth acct, grows tax free and exponentially.
yadda yadda yadda on and on...
now try doing any of that as a 7-11 employee.
capitalism fails the poor, and allows advantages for the rich.
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burntkitty


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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28309036 - 05/06/23 11:35 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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Democracy will lead to anarchy when we have evolved to not needing government. might not be this century. Journalism should be well funded to lead an educated voter system. Democracy without representation cause it's antiquated and the people are informed and the issues are actually transparent.
Your really selling me on the socialism. I have no gayness toward real estate and it sounds like a pen pushers wet dream. The USA has a unique position on land though.
So what do you think needs to be done to make a strong middle class and get rid of the lower class?
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oh i dont think there IS a good answer.
when i say true democracy is anarchy, i mean that, what we have in the US is a representative republic, where theres a string of elected officials that we only get to vote for a select few of... that make choices.
who gets in is subject to the whims of 2 parties that make all the decisions for us...
if we makes ones it doesnt like the parties arent really required to put in what the people ask for...in 2016 bernie sandars won every county in west va... and they simply said hillary did, and he never went against it.
democracy would be when you vote on issues YOURSELF... im for a proxy democracy where i can give my proxy to someone, say enlil..and however he votes i vote as well, unless i remove my proxy and vote individually.
it would be a complicated system to setup, but would remove a ton of corruption and grift.
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Don't go too far back? It's still the slave trade. marriage just legitimized it. Those women are with those man on their own accord, I just couldn't believe. There was plenty of tyranny gov over one's promoting capitalism. There was anarchy and free trade way more though.
really don't know any civilization ran on slave trade, besides the USA for a while. Don't really know how long that conquistador shit lasted
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28312243 - 05/09/23 06:13 AM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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rxb said: social programs try to alleviate some of that by adding systems to help those people on the bottom be able to function... food stamps and free bus fair, actually keep poor people from stealing and robbing people who have more... because what are they going to do starve to death?... social programs can help to a degree. if people have basic needs met then they are less likely to break the law in order to survive...
Will they let people starve to death? Maybe does it really sound far fetched?
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rxb
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people litterally ARE starving to death in the US.
its not abstract.
whats more common is food insecurity, and even our military inlisted families are food insecure at this point.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28313443 - 05/09/23 09:44 PM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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people litterally ARE starving to death in the US.
To be fair letting someone die of starvation in the US is considered neglect. If you had severe enough malnutrition a hospital would have to take you in and then of course you'd have a mountain of debt because of it but you'd be alive.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: Kizzle]
#28313479 - 05/09/23 10:18 PM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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American Starvation Statistics 13,690 people starve to death in America per year. 10.2% (13.5M) of households are food insecure in the US. 33.8M people experience food insecurity every day. 5.0M children experience food insecurity every day. 15.8% of children in the US live in households that are food insecure. 1 in 6 children may not know where their next meal is coming from. 53M people are on food programs (i.e., SNAP, WIC, NSLP, etc.). 4.2M Americans used SNAP (food stamps) benefits last year. 20% of food-insecure families are not eligible for government assistance. 2.8M low-income Americans said they’ve gone without food for at least one day in the last year. 22.5% of Black households have food insecurity. 18.5% of Latinx/Hispanic households have food insecurity. 7.9% of White households experience food insecurity. 6.5 million kids live in households that cannot consistently afford enough food. 18.2% of seniors living alone in the US are food insecure. 6M senior citizens in the US are food insecure. 1 out of 6 Americans lived in a household that was food insecure. 8.4% of the US population experienced food insecurity last year. 8M Americans are at risk of hunger due to poverty and lack of access to food.
there is a figure out there i forget what the number is, i saw it on rogan, and it may have been on a russel brand episode, but its something on the order of 30 billion dollars was added to the budget under the trump admin, that went toward new bombs that we just detonate each year in the ocean, so that we can put new ones on the budget. and they pointed out that it was an estimated 1 billion needed to end all homelessness, so why cant we just drop 29 billion worth of bombs in the ocean instead of 30 billion worth.
i feel very similarly about hunger, especially hungry kids.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28330853 - 05/23/23 07:06 AM (8 months, 1 day ago) |
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Well, now the politics have fixed that, by making adjustable loans. This means that big banks and politicians are sucking each other's cocks.
So the only ones who lose are the citizens, so the politicians and big banks are the winners. It all about the money.
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starfire_xes said: So the only ones who lose are the citizens, so the politicians and big banks are the winners. It all about the money.
you make it sound like this is a new concept. kind of the norm throughout recorded history.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: mushboy]
#28330865 - 05/23/23 07:26 AM (8 months, 1 day ago) |
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You are right, mushbrains.
Then the requirment is finding who is the scapegoat.
That is the others political side.
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historically the scapegoat has been minorities and jews. or women.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28330956 - 05/23/23 08:57 AM (8 months, 1 day ago) |
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Other studies reveal about 100 people in America die annually of malnutrition, and that's usually due to mental illness - not lack of access to free food.
The US Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) funding is over 80 billion a year.
The California state government spends over 2 billion a year feeding kids in schools.
The US obesity rate is about 43%. Is all the free food in America making people fat?
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If you ever stood at a bus stop and saw the poor kids come through and the junk they ate you'd change your tune. It's that poor families can't afford better foods, especially access to it. My neighborhood grocery store, of which is one of thirteen locations, has a grossly different profile of available food than richer stores within a mile or two of mine. It's wild. The richer store has three isles of produce, the poor one has two isles of soda and one isle of produce.
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People eat crap food because they can't find or afford healthy food. I don't buy that theory. I know that belief has become very popular.
I see the types of food people using SNAP benefits buy. The often choose crap - in grocery stores that are full of healthy food. I've observed this for many years. I don't care some grocery stores have one aisle of healthy food and others have two aisles of healthy food and others three aisles of healthy food. Everyone decides what to put in their piehole.
We must discourage and abandon this type of victimization charade.
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People generally buy the crap they were fed as kids. That's why food advertising pretty much exclusively targets the under 30 crowd.
Spend your entire life eating canned corn and the real stuff on the cob starts to taste weird.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: Kryptos]
#28331005 - 05/23/23 09:40 AM (8 months, 1 day ago) |
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I agree. And if my Dad was a drunk or a drug abuser, there's a significant chance I'll grow up to engage in the same behaviors.
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Children don't get to pick, and when you can't afford the expensive grocery store you end up with lower quality foods. It's just that simple. It's not a matter of picking whatever you want, it's a matter of having food at all.
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