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#28304322 - 05/03/23 01:48 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Choosing what to subsidize is social, while you print the money. I'm sure some one else probably has a more informed view, but I doubt many. These concepts came before the some what modern currency system. I say somewhat because it's too weak for comfort. Someone who actually has a good understanding of economy and not just the general economist might have a better understanding of what shit is. Some term(coinage) for the manipulated economy. Unfortunately thinking negatively about it has much more consequences cause it's rather farther from commodity currency.
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subsidies arent social... thats the wrong word.
printing money is done to hedge inflation, it can work.
subsidies are put in place because we think we need something, which people wouldnt choose to do at market value.
two examples.
corn, we think we need corn to insure against famine, so we subsidize it, because the price per acre without the extra money isnt that good.
and recycling, we subsidize recycling becuase in the 70s we thought it would be good, and no companies would do it at the prices that were available so we subsidized it and now its a thriving industry (bad)
the its good that we have corn, is that we dod infact need it and we need a small surplus of it incase of hard times. the reason that recycling is bad is because it involves having trucks drive really really slowly all over town polluting the air. and it would have been better to just disincentivise using single use plastics... but hindsight is 20/20 the reason that the economy is bad, is 2 factor. for 4 years trump threatened the fed to lower rates to irresponcible levels, which transfered alot of wealth from the poor to the rich. it expanded both the lower and upper classes. if those expanded at the same person to person numbers it may have been fine but thats not what happened. it created 100 new billionaires but thousands of new lower class people with unmet needs... homeless everywhere.
the way they chose to fix this was to raise rates VERY high, which means that rich people do not borrow, and subsequently prices go higher until it balances out and undoes some of that growth... over time this redistributes the money downward... eventually less and less needy people.
the problem is that it isnt as easy as all that, and the very wealthy have ways to keep goinng in rough times. right now thats tax advantaged purchasing in real estate, dong 1031 exchanges... and that is keeping the market going right now.
you should always be aware of when things are VERY good or VERY bad things are going wrong... what you want is a slow steady growth across all sectors. somehow since 1980 the democrats have gotten that right and the republicans have gotten it wrong and i dont understand why, the math isnt super hard. but each republican president has lowered taxes on the rich and interest rates, which allows the rich to invest using borrowed money, and make a ton in stocks and real estate... and then we have a deficit spending and poor people starving and the democrats come in and balance it out over and over since 1980. if you have enough of a foot hold to buy rental property when rates are low you can be really financially secue in almost every market, but many people just buy toys when money is cheap and that hurts when its expencive
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28304384 - 05/03/23 04:22 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Social for socialism no social as in socialism. I can understand someone wanting to associate social with like zuckerberg. deep down though social is what it's suppose to be, for the people. Or did you mean something else over my head? demand and supply are capitalism not the other way around. taxation and the redistribution of wealth generated by private and public organizations is social. Where the extreme overbearing closer to dictatorship on one scale would be communism where it goes for an even more distributed higher taxed system less reward imagined and incentive by westerners.
I feel like if your people are church dogma you need capitalism. If your people are pirates you need communism.
supply and demand is totalitarian, think about it
printing currency allows government to manipulate industry more which can be used positively or negatively. The idea of government using it's manipulation to benefit the majority doesn't feel capitalistic to me. Than again how much capitalism and communism there are and how it equates to government is in-cohesive
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burntkitty said: Social for socialism no social as in socialism. I can understand someone wanting to associate social with like zuckerberg. deep down though social is what it's suppose to be for the people. Or did you mean something else over my head?
well social means relating to society.
and socialism means that the people who are working, should control and profit from their work... no matter how many times the term is misused in media. it is the idea that those working in the factory should reap the benefits of their labors as opposed to a arbitrary factory owner who doesnt understand the workload. socialism was just a movement against the more toxic sides of capitalism where the workforce gets abused. the idea was then expanded to governments where by, everything was meant to benefit the people evenly, however in practice it seems to fall apart because the decisionmakers have certain advantages and become a ruling class, typically a dictator.
im not exactly sure how that relates to subsidies, except that subsidies can be good or bad like i gave examples of.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb] 1
#28304409 - 05/03/23 05:00 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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printing money is done to hedge inflation, it can work.
Printing money IS inflation.
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rxb said:
printing money is done to hedge inflation, it can work.
Printing money IS inflation.
technically kinda it would be if it worked the way you think it does where 1 dollar is a representation of 1 thing... but thats not how it works.
it should work like that but it doesnt. loans make money and they print money to account for the loans. a dollar is a representation of a loan... not a unit of currency even tho thats how we treat it
if it worked like you must think and a dollar represented a THING... then printing a new dollar would make all other dollars cost less and to get anyTHING you´d need more dollars printing more would be pointless.
but by adding supply you are simply issuing new loans or available loans and thus it isnt a 1:1 ratio and printing the right way actualy lowers inflation
monitary supply IS hard math.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28304436 - 05/03/23 05:23 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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easiest way i can think to picture it, is owning a house.
you get a loan, you buy a house. 100k loan.
housing market goes up, you still owe 100k, so each of those dollars you ¨spent"virtually by getting the loan is worth way more. or it cost way less, depending on how you want to look at it. either way because that economy changed you are now willing to pay more dollars for the same item ... thats inflation.
since dollars are debt... to balance that inflation you would take out more debt.
thus printing money CAN in the right ways be a hedge against inflation... when done RIGHT...
the system is held together with spit and twine ... Robert Kiyosaki explains this stuff really well imo
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printing money isn't inflation, over printing money causes inflation when the market catches up(that's the market realizing their product/service has depreciated unfairly or their bottom line). Minimum wage going up in blue cities has made progress but it's still slave wages. Everyday the banks they come together and they evaluate the price of everything, it's not satoshi dictating the price of btc(only when one was buying pizza). I think nasdaq got more of an opinion on your everything not nasdaq too. Everything gets manipulated though I'm sure someone offloading their dirty coin for cheap and they get sellers on legit markets like localbitcoin to sell lower cause no one is buying from them.
Under printing slows the economy down and raises the currencies perceived value compared to everyone elses but it can also destroy the system.
For sure a scam and for sure you will lose everything you ever built on drugs. When ever someone mentions cain you will turn into a blind rage Im shitting myself
Were talking BTC not beanie babies. The problem is elon made it the opposite of green and is wasting the computation reward on relatively nothing. The reptilians from siruis b weren't looking for that. The demand compared to the supply are low.
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frankly its not as simple as ANY of this, because there are situations where
over OR under printing can cause inflation
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28304600 - 05/03/23 08:13 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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crypto coins are a scam. you can make money on them, but they are for sure a scam.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28307682 - 05/05/23 11:07 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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Having things people need being worthless without the mob. such is the way of communism.
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burntkitty said: Having things people need being worthless without the mob. such is the way of communism.
how is that related to communism... communism is like sharing economies where like a whole group of people live on a farm and make tofu, and everyone profits together. china for example isnt communist dispite the ruling party being the chinese comunist party... its a dictatorship with heavy levels of social programs, which does a good job of keeping people fed, but ultimately is horribly restrictive. communism by definition couldnt actually be restrictive because in communism there is no ruling class to restrict or enforce, which is one of the halmarks of the chinese, and soviet systems which didnt and couldnt work... they were never communist at all...they had a ruling class.
crypto being worthless is just because ultimately its a scam.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28307713 - 05/05/23 11:38 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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Crypto is a scam the same way money is a scam.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: Kryptos]
#28307716 - 05/05/23 11:42 AM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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Kryptos said: Crypto is a scam the same way money is a scam.
you are not wrong... but they are both confidence scams... and there is less confidence in crypto.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28308139 - 05/05/23 06:57 PM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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free trade is what it's been through out history and is rather what capitalism is. Find the last person selling rope and hang them by it, was preached by karl marx. The practice of you not owning the things you sell that the gang is the owner, is communism. The actual practice happening today in the usa is part of the mixed economy. Marketing should be a broad practice but breaks down to shark tank(oligarchy like) and gofundho(bad socialism).
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someone has given you bad info.
im neither a socialist or a communist, but if you want to talk on the subject you should become better informed as to what the words actually mean.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28308157 - 05/05/23 07:06 PM (8 months, 19 days ago) |
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free trade is what it's been through out history and is rather what capitalism is. Find the last person selling rope and hang them by it, was preached by karl marx
first of all its not even a real quote.
second the quote was not of marx.
third... you misquoted the FAKE QUOTE.
wow.
first appeared in 1955...some 20 years after the person it was attributed to was dead.
gotta be careful about watching the propaganda...it will for sure rot your brain.
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Re: mixed economy [Re: rxb]
#28308620 - 05/06/23 05:25 AM (8 months, 18 days ago) |
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you seeing W's on ass cheeks? avoiding the propaganda is much easier said than done. I didn't throw quotes or cite shit, take it with a grain of salt. Assume it's a paraphrase if it's from a different language. I could definitely be wrong on it. The internet is full of shit. I concede I might also be wrong on my quote of "Having things people need being worthless without the mob. such is the way of communism.". Might not be communism. Really sounds more like totalitarianism, thinking about it now.
I have a hard time believing in anything but the quotes I hold more weight to.
Printing money could hedge inflation. If it went to the bottom. Seems like this 2 party system is neither about the people though.
I think they passed the afford health care just cause of how morally unethical it is to lock people up for opiates when they can't afford a doctor.
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free trade is what it's been through out history and is rather what capitalism is
It was actually the slave trade throughout most of history that drove the economy . Not saying you're wrong , just don't go too far back .
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