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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28347857 - 06/05/23 05:57 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

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you are right,
I think it is a bum steer, epi




ok.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28347863 - 06/05/23 06:12 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

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this can work really well.



I certainly hope so.

It will be interesting to feel how or if it counters horrible intrusive thoughts. So far I have had relatively simple intrusive thoughts since I began the meditation again but I like to think it is working.



I had some bad intrusive/racing thoughts this morning, but I like to think the counting and breathing countered those damned thoughts. However, I only counted and breathed "superficially" thus I did not go in depth - I could not handle it.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28347900 - 06/05/23 07:23 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

each time you fail, you fail better, and begin again.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28347904 - 06/05/23 07:29 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Does it work even if it is done "superficially"?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28347932 - 06/05/23 08:03 AM (7 months, 20 days ago)

if it is done superficially, and you have enough presence to notice that the concentration is superficial, you probably are also being aware of the arising and passing of other mental cotents which are tending to crowd out what was central.
If you remain present and keep the practice up, and are not distracted by other mental contents, just continue.
If you are distracted by other mental contents, gently begin again, without kicking the meditator.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28348201 - 06/05/23 12:38 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

dOOd, I feel like it may work. I got some half-bad thoughts 4 hrs ago and I fully counted and tried to follow my breath, it seemed to at least take the edges of those evil thoughts.

Orgy wrote "I'm going blind!" 17 hours ago on a Facebook-uppload on MT's Facebook-wall. Surely I was ment to see that cryptic stuff and form some sort of logical conclusion of it. Stuff is happening, ey?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28348239 - 06/05/23 01:04 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

he is on a path that is a bit strange, but it is his.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28348249 - 06/05/23 01:09 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

What path am I on?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28348276 - 06/05/23 01:32 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

yours


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28348282 - 06/05/23 01:34 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Godhood here we come!!! :cool:


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28348289 - 06/05/23 01:44 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

A natural one for sure.

Btwz...Superficial is a fine start if you ask me.
Simply doing something for yourself or another, even if just chillaxing while upright and not too sleepy or geeked and counting with awareness tracing of the in & out of breath is good, imho.

If you want to "measure meditative progress", and we kinda bend towards the concentrative route, then you could see how high you get up on the ladder of counting breath by a set cycle of 1 x complete and natural inhale & exhale on up to 10, if possible - without misremembering what you're actually doing wrt the practice combined with what else occurs in tandem...the latter of which comes more clearly into view as you look more carefully while performing this subtle and graceful balancing act.


You can attempt to see if you can try to get your *uninterrupted/or/undisturbed* number count up by staying on the breath-count like tracing it with awareness, despite whatever else might be going on around and inside you while doing so.  Is it like ignoring something?  Sort of.  Is it like paying attention to something in particular as the priority ahead of any other things?  More or less, Yes.  Though those "other things" will ride along like a phantom parade of sorts regardless...Without shifting your gaze awareness coincides with the periphery while keeping things steady on the main stage when your mind's eye's sight is set to naturally gaze the middle-middle with ease- and in doing so naturally brings about an interesting perspective of balance between two seemingly separate objects into focus in a way that leads to directly perceiving their interdependency/interconnectivity.  Now that is something worthwhile to ponder on about after examining it out for yourself firsthand.

Btw, slow and steady works fine.  So long as you practice.  Practice is the key.  Sure its a prison, too.  One that will break over and over even without any magnificent experiential spectacles emerging, you will still breakthrough just by doing it with a nod to form or a nod to the emptiness of the form of the practice while still doing said practice. 


So long as you keep at it honestly while being true to yourself wrt what's going on around the sights set by your practice's aim, especially when performed naturally without extraneous thoughts, like of meditative gains & amazing achievements.  Though that is part of the fun, too, it can be heavily distracting for some - like myself.   

Just like working out your delts over time with tiny but incremental increases in the weights you move improves muscularity there, similarly so too with mind when with a sound meditative practice & the contemplation of said experiences thereafter examined, ideally, with sharpened discernment.  Then comes wisdom, or so some say, hah, with greater concentration, and more appropriate situational-behavioral modes of interacting with other sentient beings as per universal morality. 

Slowly or Quickly, it happens one way or the other so may as well, and if you keep at it in earnest wrt refining one's understanding of things - who knows what else may come of it?


Just by practicing the formal posture(s) in earnest and paying respectful attention while counting with it- though those terms can be subject to debate - Still - from where I sit: 

At least then you're noticing the shadowy movements of the underbelly of your mind's workings as they peruse through mind consciousness like daft little tadpoles adrift in a wild river that go on to take shape as per whatever paths the water takes and so shapes them into....into...well! How about you see for yourself! LoL.  Now, How in the hell can anyone resist checking out them waters?  What when its seemingly nearer to you than your own finger is to your nose when touching it?

When i'm lucky...Aware of the awareness of what is and isn't happening is how I like to do my pretend meditation - voluntarily or involuntarily.  Often I borrow the simile/metaphor/analogies likening awareness to a strangely familiar lamp lighting up the open mysteries of the body like as if it were a dank, dark cave- only said cave's of mind's nature.  Perfectly natural, and yet - that lamp's light seems neither necessarily quite inside of oneself nor outside oneself, yet it shines through oneself illuminating whatever else while remaining unchanging itself.

What is this seemingly magical & wonderfully clear light and how is everything so nakedly empty yet full of it all at once?  :strokebeard:

Idk, Idk!!! :leafromp:

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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28348313 - 06/05/23 02:07 PM (7 months, 20 days ago)

Now, for goodness' sake... will someone please lend me a practice that'll help me to better refine, edit, and shorten my long spaghetti-noodley posts? :picard::oldman:

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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28349497 - 06/06/23 12:18 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

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Godhood here we come!!! :cool:



No?

Today was swell, I got some symptoms but countered them fairly easy with the counting and breathing. Now I am not jinxing anything, they could hit me at supersonic speed tomorrow.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28349504 - 06/06/23 12:23 PM (7 months, 19 days ago)

Hey TBA, thank you for chiming in with a long post.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28350747 - 06/07/23 11:13 AM (7 months, 18 days ago)

4sure pinkster.  we're all in the same boat my bruddha.:thumbup:


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28350918 - 06/07/23 01:25 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

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Pinkerton said:
Godhood here we come!!! :cool:



No?

Today was swell, I got some symptoms but countered them fairly easy with the counting and breathing. Now I am not jinxing anything, they could hit me at supersonic speed tomorrow.



Yes.

It was a great day today with some happiness. Not much intrusive/racing thoughts. I believe in the counting and breathing. Like I wrote yesterday, I am not jinxing anything. :ohwell:

It feels like we are coming to an end to Pinkys personal hell. :heart:


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28350923 - 06/07/23 01:35 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

20 mins per day or 2 x 20 mins?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #28350926 - 06/07/23 01:39 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

I do not take time, it kind of stresses me and makes me demotivated.

But whenever I feel a slight discomfort I immediately start counting and paying attention to my breath. I also do the meditation randomly throughout the day.

RGVs it is pretty crazy to think I am (becoming) God but it feels closer than ever now. :thumbup:


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28350941 - 06/07/23 01:51 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

ok
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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28350944 - 06/07/23 01:51 PM (7 months, 18 days ago)

2 x 45 min a day
it can make one not go to the psychiatric hospital and do harm


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