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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28344424 - 06/02/23 12:49 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

if they don't start
no need to wipe - right?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28344427 - 06/02/23 12:52 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

Sure but how do I not start them?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28344443 - 06/02/23 01:04 PM (7 months, 23 days ago)

By getting into the moment.

If I could just feel what it is like to get into the moment...


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28344640 - 06/02/23 03:57 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

for me it is relaxation with breathing, and a flickering of other stuff occurring and changing as I say "beginning, middle, end"...repetition of that... distraction ... resume... repetition...

your feeling is you doing it not me.
as you do it you feel it
and it changes and you keep relaxing and noticing changes aware of the passing moment which is always different.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28345062 - 06/02/23 10:32 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

Just sit there having hope/non hope..


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28345194 - 06/03/23 03:22 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

empty of hope and other nonsense


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28345216 - 06/03/23 03:49 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

Hope is like an on and off solution.

Vibrating stretch to the tip.. which goes into decimal of order.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #28345306 - 06/03/23 06:25 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

maybe hope is a half made plan of action.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28345375 - 06/03/23 07:30 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

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for me it is relaxation with breathing, and a flickering of other stuff occurring and changing as I say "beginning, middle, end"...repetition of that... distraction ... resume... repetition...

your feeling is you doing it not me.
as you do it you feel it
and it changes and you keep relaxing and noticing changes aware of the passing moment which is always different.



Sure but is it an eureka sort of feeling? Like, will I know it when/if I feel it?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28345410 - 06/03/23 08:17 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

There can be a moment when you have a eureka sort of feeling and you will know it.

But the practice itself contains many small moments of accomplishment, every time you can let go in the moment. Best to not minimize these moments looking for something more profound. It's those moments, and the practice, which lead to other things that are more "know it when you feel it".

And it's the practice of being calm that will allow you to stay in the more profound moments. If you have a eureka moment and get all excited about it, it will be over.

It would be like spending time getting a timid animal to come close enough to touch and then yelling "Hell yes!".

If you can let go of your thoughts for only a moment, and then the thoughts return... that's an accomplishment. Do it again. And again. And don't be upset that some part of your mind thinks the progress is too slow or absent. That's what you need to let go of, you see?

And if you get to a eureka moment and get excited and loose the moment, that's okay. The ability to let go, even then, is the important bit.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
    #28345449 - 06/03/23 08:52 AM (7 months, 22 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
for me it is relaxation with breathing, and a flickering of other stuff occurring and changing as I say "beginning, middle, end"...repetition of that... distraction ... resume... repetition...

your feeling is you doing it not me.
as you do it you feel it
and it changes and you keep relaxing and noticing changes aware of the passing moment which is always different.



Sure but is it an eureka sort of feeling? Like, will I know it when/if I feel it?



occasionally there is that type of distraction.
and when you notice it happening, you are best off resuming the practice.

Emotional intensification from focused attention, can spontaneously set up frame stacking, aka jhana, and when that engages, eureka type feelings commonly occur:
perceptions of mental content reverberantly circulate and ramify within the context of the meditation.
It is somewhat of a multidimensional sympathetic chiming experience (for me).

This is undoubtedly invigorating, but the reason for the practice is not to get high, but to get healed, or at least adapt and have some refuge and respite from the grinding of broken mental gears.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28345725 - 06/03/23 12:31 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

I have no idea if I am getting into the moment or not.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28345751 - 06/03/23 12:52 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

Never mind, during the effort you are not doing something else right?!?


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28345757 - 06/03/23 12:59 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

Nope. I am counting and following/paying attention to my breath while laying in my bed.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28345786 - 06/03/23 01:28 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

this can work really well.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton] * 2
    #28345815 - 06/03/23 01:47 PM (7 months, 22 days ago)

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I have no idea if I am getting into the moment or not.




You are always in the moment.

1- Let go of the current thought and just breathe.

2- go to 1.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Rahz]
    #28346448 - 06/03/23 11:01 PM (7 months, 21 days ago)

Some will probably not like this but you could try praying and asking god for giving you signs to show you the way out of your mental prison. Faith can be powerful and transform you, even if your fellow humans don't share your beliefs. Combine that with meditation or a walk in nature, and you might be better off soon. 😊


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: epilectric]
    #28346527 - 06/04/23 01:18 AM (7 months, 21 days ago)

you are right,
I think it is a bum steer, epi


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #28347107 - 06/04/23 01:41 PM (7 months, 21 days ago)

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this can work really well.



I certainly hope so.

It will be interesting to feel how or if it counters horrible intrusive thoughts. So far I have had relatively simple intrusive thoughts since I began the meditation again but I like to think it is working.


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Re: I can never consume drugs again... [Re: Pinkerton]
    #28347139 - 06/04/23 02:01 PM (7 months, 21 days ago)

That's how I started, too. 
For a relatively long while that's nearly all I did.
And, I still do it as a warm up of sorts.  :thumbup:


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