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Re: Do you think 8 billion+ can live sustainably? [Re: Rahz]
#28298906 - 04/28/23 12:58 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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oxidation is reversible but basically, you agree that 8 billion + is too much
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Re: Do you think 8 billion+ can live sustainably? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28299003 - 04/28/23 02:37 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Oxidation is reversible but it takes more energy and you have to have the material to begin with. 8 billion is not too much at the moment, though I understand proponents of green energy have warmed up to large scale mining operations to transition away from fossil fuels. There's always a price to pay.
That's the way it goes, drawing conclusions about what's reasonable, useful, safe, based on profit and necessity... most reasonable, most useful, safest. Unless the dream is for 8 billion to live sustainably for basically ever there are hard realities to face eventually. This would also be true of any number using non renewable resources faster than they're generated. People want to mine the Moon and asteroid belt, hoping that there will be energy availability from those operations to sustain them.
Humanity uses about 6.5 cubic miles of sand for construction each year. Over 800 million cubic feet of steel. The question isn't whether it's sustainable (forever) but for how long which will be finite.
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Re: Do you think 8 billion+ can live sustainably? [Re: Rahz]
#28299062 - 04/28/23 03:49 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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maybe we can grind up old computers to make sand
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Re: Do you think 8 billion+ can live sustainably? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28299197 - 04/28/23 06:19 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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I've always thought of garbage dumps as storage facilities.
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Re: Do you think 8 billion+ can live sustainably? [Re: Rahz]
#28299291 - 04/28/23 07:59 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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they are mines, and ai can help with making them profitable.
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My Question to Chat Gpt how can we use AI to make garbage dumps profitable while mining the refuse using robots
There are several ways that AI can be used to make garbage dumps profitable while mining the refuse using robots. Here are a few possible approaches: 1. Smart Sorting: AI algorithms can be used to sort the waste into different categories such as recyclable materials, organic waste, and non-recyclable waste. This can be done using sensors and cameras mounted on the robots that scan and identify the waste as it moves along the conveyor belts. Once the waste is sorted, it can be processed accordingly and sold to the relevant industries, thereby generating revenue. 2. Predictive Maintenance: AI can be used to predict when the robots and other equipment will require maintenance, thereby reducing downtime and increasing the overall efficiency of the system. Predictive maintenance can also help in reducing the cost of repairs and replacements. 3. Energy Recovery: AI algorithms can help identify the waste that can be converted into energy, such as biodegradable materials, which can be processed to produce biogas, biofuels or other forms of energy. This can be done using anaerobic digesters that can be run by robots, which can improve the efficiency of the energy production process. 4. Automated Pricing: AI algorithms can be used to analyze the market demand for the different waste products and set the pricing accordingly. This can be done by analyzing the supply and demand trends of the raw materials used in various industries and adjusting the pricing accordingly. This can help maximize the revenue generated from the waste products. 5. Smart Routing: AI algorithms can be used to optimize the routes taken by the robots within the garbage dump to ensure maximum efficiency. The algorithms can take into account factors such as the location of the waste, the capacity of the robots, and the processing capabilities of the equipment, among others, to optimize the routes taken by the robots. This can help reduce the time and cost of mining the refuse and increase the profitability of the operation. In conclusion, AI can play a significant role in making garbage dumps profitable while mining the refuse using robots. By implementing the above approaches, it can help optimize the process, reduce costs, increase efficiency, and generate revenue from the waste products.
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Re: Do you think 8 billion+ can live sustainably? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28299498 - 04/29/23 01:28 AM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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If technology has a chance to save us.. should we take the risk and use non renewable resources that are finite to achieve this?
Take a step forward or take a step back..
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Re: Do you think 8 billion+ can live sustainably? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#28299578 - 04/29/23 05:01 AM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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in a measured way, yes.
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