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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: christopera]
    #28315712 - 05/11/23 12:08 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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my house wasn't built for people to post things on.  Social media was created for that.




That doesn't make your position even remotely reasonable. They still own it, you still don't. And in fact, they own your content when you put it there for free. You are producing free product for them.



I agree.  Yes, owners should have the right to censor whatever they like.  I just think that should be called freedom to censor, not free speech.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28315717 - 05/11/23 12:11 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

lol


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: rxb]
    #28315719 - 05/11/23 12:12 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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to have a desire for someone to take over social media because it benefits your side more than others is antithetical to the concept of free speech.

free speech is about supporting the free speech of people you DISAGREE with.

if you only supported free speech for those who agree with you, then thats pointless, and not free.

i support the free speech rights of nazi idiots because thats what freedom really is. i dont like or agree with them but i think they have a right to their wrongness and i support everyones right to weigh in on every topic.



Exactly.  Very well said.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: koods]
    #28315726 - 05/11/23 12:15 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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It must suck to be wrong about everything



Compared to you, chop is a genius.  :shrug:

He's gotten a LOT more right than you.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Kryptos]
    #28315736 - 05/11/23 12:17 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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Only establishment cucks support anybody that isn't insanely wealthy. Wealthy people are the truly oppressed class, that why there are so few of them left.



:lolwut:

That's one of the dumbest things I've read.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Kryptos]
    #28315739 - 05/11/23 12:19 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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Then by stopping me from painting a giant dick on your front porch, you are engaging in censorship.



You're finally getting it.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #28315755 - 05/11/23 12:32 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

You just performed 4d Chess on yourself.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: christopera]
    #28315757 - 05/11/23 12:35 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28315768 - 05/11/23 12:48 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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Then by stopping me from painting a giant dick on your front porch, you are engaging in censorship.



You're finally getting it.




Reporter: Sir, how do you respond to those who claim that by displaying a giant dick mural with the caption "I love giant dicks" on your home you are lending your direct support to the giant dick movement?

De facto giant dick supporter: Achchually, those people just hate free speech and don't understand that I have to display any nonsense anyone paints 9n my home lest I censor anyone


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28315788 - 05/11/23 01:01 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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Then by stopping me from painting a giant dick on your front porch, you are engaging in censorship.



You're finally getting it.




So your entire concern about censorship has nothing to do with censorship itself, you just want the censorship to affect the people you don't like, and not affect the neo Nazis that you do?


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28315793 - 05/11/23 01:10 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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You would rather have them be censored? You can't have it both ways.



No.  I would rather see free speech.



So let's be specific.

Do you feel that allowing a corporation the ability to allow certain topics of speech to be said, or not said....is not free speech?

Yes or No?



No.  I think censorship is exactly the opposite of free speech.

I find it astounding that so many of you get behind censorship and call it 'free speech'; it should probably be called 'free censorship'.




....you are for free speech, yet you dont want corporations/ groups of people to have the freedom of association. You want free speech for a singular person but not for a collective.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28315854 - 05/11/23 02:05 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

Well, sort of. It depends on which person is doing the speaking. Some people should be more free to speak than others. For example, a poor oppressed millionaire needs a safe space created by a billionaire to speak. That is freedom.

But some random dude who thinks Elmo might not be the second coming of Jesus? Ooo, that's a bit too much speech there, buddy.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28315900 - 05/11/23 02:35 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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The truly anti-eatablishment people support the former richest person on the planet.

Only establishment cucks support anybody that isn't insanely wealthy. Wealthy people are the truly oppressed class, that why there are so few of them left.




i am truely anti establishment... im pretty neutral on musk but i dont support him, i think he is a bond villain but i dont think he has been particularly evil yet. i think most of the people who support musk or dont at this point see him as tied to trump and are just either supporting trump or not.

i dont see them as being in lock step.

i am anti trump...


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: rxb] * 1
    #28315904 - 05/11/23 02:37 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

free speach is only meaningful when you support free speech for those you strongly disagree with


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Kryptos]
    #28315971 - 05/11/23 03:19 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

If one is opposed to any form of censorship via a corporation, then make a choice. Plenty of websites out there where you can say about anything.

Individuals have a right to express, organize, promote etc....collectively.
Usually it's a common interest. Stopping that from occuring by forcing the association to accept speech/listen to speech in direct opposition of thier common interest, is a form of censorship.



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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28315992 - 05/11/23 03:32 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

The founding father's didn't exactly predict the internet. There have been calls by many progressives for a consitition (or bill of rights) for the internet, and rightfully so. It would solve a lot of the issues discussed here. The problem is that the internet is now a tool almost strictly used to produce capital. Largely, that means there is no desire by ownership to operate in the realm of free speech. That is okay for the most part, and I don't have a problem with Twitter or FB (etc.) running obvious profit motivated businesses, but when some people get tricked into thinking these arenas are equitable then we have an issue. That issue of course is an education based one, not a platform one. Some people need to grow up an realize the internet is not their friend.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28316033 - 05/11/23 04:11 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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If someone tapes a giant poster of Hunter Biden's dick pic to the side of your house, you have the freedom to take it down. No one the has the freedom to force you to carry their message and that's a good thing.



Right, but my house wasn't built for people to post things on.  Social media was created for that.



Social media was created to provide a place for businesses to advertise. That's their business model. Not post whatever you want and somehow it will make me money.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: christopera]
    #28316067 - 05/11/23 04:42 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

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If one is opposed to any form of censorship via a corporation, then make a choice. Plenty of websites out there where you can say about anything.

Individuals have a right to express, organize, promote etc....collectively.
Usually it's a common interest. Stopping that from occuring by forcing the association to accept speech/listen to speech in direct opposition of thier common interest, is a form of censorship.






Free speech, much like freedom itself, is a largely meaningless platitude without qualifiers. Freedom to vs. freedom from are diametrically opposing conceptions of freedom.

Free speech is similar.

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The founding father's didn't exactly predict the internet. There have been calls by many progressives for a consitition (or bill of rights) for the internet, and rightfully so. It would solve a lot of the issues discussed here. The problem is that the internet is now a tool almost strictly used to produce capital. Largely, that means there is no desire by ownership to operate in the realm of free speech. That is okay for the most part, and I don't have a problem with Twitter or FB (etc.) running obvious profit motivated businesses, but when some people get tricked into thinking these arenas are equitable then we have an issue. That issue of course is an education based one, not a platform one. Some people need to grow up an realize the internet is not their friend.




...and this is also true, which is why there is no free speech on the internet. Never was, never will be.

The reason Elmo buying Twitter is causing all this fracas is because the status quo has been upset. It used to be that you could, more or less, plan on the rules of participation to be consistent. Now, the rules for participation are subject to the whims of a billionaire idiot and current contender for biggest loser in history. There is no meaningful difference in freedom of speech.

But the chaos does help the chaos monkeys, and so the chaos monkeys are gleefully flinging turds at everyone that is still left on Twitter.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: Kizzle]
    #28316071 - 05/11/23 04:45 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

also logging on to facebook (or the shroomery) is akin to walking into a lawyers office.

there are places you cant go in  a lawyers office. and if you went into a lawyers office with a giant picture of hunter biden's dick they would be well within their rights to kick you out.


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Re: Tucker Carlson Fired by Fox News [Re: rxb]
    #28316219 - 05/11/23 06:54 PM (8 months, 13 days ago)

A shopping mall vs city park provides a good analogy. Both are free-to-access public spaces, but only the latter needs to provide for free expression.

Corporate social media are just online shopping malls.


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