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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28318615 - 05/13/23 06:30 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Do y'all know what Haggards law is?
When I've previously talked about this topic it's usually boiled down to a concern for people under 16 having surgeries, hormone therapy or puberty blockers.
I've mentioned that surgeries are generally age restricted and that general surgeries like knee replacements or even having children have rates of regret several times higher than transition surgeries.
I think age limits for hormone therapy are debatable, and that the age at which puberty blockers can begin is also debatable.
With clarification that hormone therapy is the more intensive decision with more risk of irreversible changes, while puberty blockers may have less irreversible risks, but that their timing is important to consider.
Overall the population of trans people is a major minority, and although it's growing, I think that increased acceptance may have a role to play.
That said I still think it is a legitimate concern to want to bring up that some children may take interest in trans issues for popularity or peer association, but that it can generally be alienating to go through transitions. I say this without minimising the real cases of gender dysphoria that I believe there are plenty of wherein the individuals benefit greatly from support and/or medication.
Again though, not all support is medical, and creating a supportive community is sometimes all that is required for struggling youth.
I've heard some younger girls may also have concerns about facing modern beauty standards and the constant exposure to such media can have an influence on individual self esteem.
So while there are legitimate debates to be had about what age certain interventions are more appropriate is good to discuss, I don't think it's good to minimise trans issues, or to treat such proclivities as a defect.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: rxb]
#28325207 - 05/18/23 05:30 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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In Korea, there are one bathroom for men and women I was taking a piss and a girl walked right by me, going to a stall.
No big deal.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: starfire_xes]
#28325375 - 05/18/23 07:42 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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starfire_xes said: In Korea, there are one bathroom for men and women I was taking a piss and a girl walked right by me, going to a stall.
No big deal.
Agree Not a big deal at all.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: loladoreen]
#28325554 - 05/18/23 09:46 PM (8 months, 6 days ago) |
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I recently heard a good point that the people that would go into a girl's bathroom to rape a little girl would absolutely do that whether they are supposed to be able to use that bathroom or not. It's not like there's gaurds posted at bathrooms so if there's a little girl alone in a bathroom it's literally the exact same danger of getting sexually assualted whether the rapist was allowed in the bathroom or not .
And if she were with someone she wouldn't be able to be raped or seen nude whether it's a trans women or just a male rapist because that person would blow the whistle in some way. The fear about letting trans women use bathrooms just seems completely manufactured to me.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin] 3
#28325771 - 05/19/23 04:44 AM (8 months, 5 days ago) |
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Not to mention a large percentage of pedophiles are into boys as well. Where's the outrage at men using the same bathroom as boys?
It's all dumb
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sudly
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: feevers]
#28327970 - 05/20/23 07:00 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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There is no such thing as a gay adenda
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: sudly]
#28327996 - 05/20/23 07:35 PM (8 months, 4 days ago) |
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sudly said: There is no such thing as a gay adenda 
I agree as far as gay people don't have an agenda. Some gay activists have an agenda because that's part of being an activist. The only real agenda I've seen is to try and be treated well, support lgbtq youth that already exists, not be baselessly called pedophiles anymore etc.
Some people actually believe all liberals are pedophiles little alone gay liberals and its used constantly to dehumanize both groups and get the right to really truly hate the left because it's good for politicians getting elected.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28328693 - 05/21/23 11:51 AM (8 months, 3 days ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: I recently heard a good point that the people that would go into a girl's bathroom to rape a little girl would absolutely do that whether they are supposed to be able to use that bathroom or not. It's not like there's gaurds posted at bathrooms so if there's a little girl alone in a bathroom it's literally the exact same danger of getting sexually assualted whether the rapist was allowed in the bathroom or not .
And if she were with someone she wouldn't be able to be raped or seen nude whether it's a trans women or just a male rapist because that person would blow the whistle in some way. The fear about letting trans women use bathrooms just seems completely manufactured to me.
I agree with that.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28330209 - 05/22/23 04:11 PM (8 months, 2 days ago) |
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I think the fear is that some weirdo is going to gain access to a nearby stall and jerk off to the sound of little girls peeing and he would be breaking no rules. There are after all men who dress as women purely for the purpose of sexual gratification and not because of gender dysphoria. It's paranoia and it's ridiculous.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Kizzle]
#28330358 - 05/22/23 06:24 PM (8 months, 2 days ago) |
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Kizzle said: I think the fear is that some weirdo is going to gain access to a nearby stall and jerk off to the sound of little girls peeing and he would be breaking no rules. There are after all men who dress as women purely for the purpose of sexual gratification and not because of gender dysphoria. It's paranoia and it's ridiculous.
You would be breaking rules masturbating in a public bathroom no matter what. What's to stop a man from just waiting until the bathrooms are empty and go in a stall ND stay there to jerk off? If they're in a stall you can't nessicarily tell whether they're allowed in the bathroom or not you just see feet. I just don't think it's a valid fear.
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28330477 - 05/22/23 08:28 PM (8 months, 2 days ago) |
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People bang in public toilets too, where's the uproar!
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Re: Let's talk Trans issues and how people react to them (respectful) [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#28330524 - 05/22/23 09:24 PM (8 months, 2 days ago) |
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I haven't read thread but ;-
People bang in public ???
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